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In a country where still majority of car owners have graduated from 2 wheelers and families of 4 ride in a scooter and buses are not road worthy. Why single out MUL? Coming to ABS I have experienced this first hand that car braking distance increases in snow but you do get ability to steer in panic braking in snow if you have ABS and don't get it if you don't. However it's been established the pros outweigh the cons so ABS is desirable. Having said that in US you do get cars where you can turn off abs and traction control all together. Last edited by aseem : 8th November 2014 at 15:55. | |
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But as you said, we now know at least 2 cars that are not safe! Like somebody pointed out here, when the Indian government enacts legislation, let us hope that in addition to meting minimum requirements, there should be full disclosure on how well a car fared in the test. | ||
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Anyway, all of that is mandatory in EU and US - ABS, TCS, ESC - all three - on all variants of cars, along with airbags. | |
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Link: I'm not against ABS and both my cars are equipped with ABS and airbags. I've experienced ABS myself on couple of occasions and believe that with the right skill, it is really useful. I only want to say that ABS as such, is no magic wand which prevent accidents, unlike airbags, which does not require the intervention of the driver, if a crash really occurs. Quote:
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| ![]() The new joke now says that 64 kmph crash test is not suitable for India, but a 56 kmph crash test would be more appropriate. Manufacturers and their government influence I tell you. ![]() Don't the cars involved in the crash test achieve speeds higher than 64 kmph? They do, may be can add more 100 kmph to it; still, the gurus think otherwise. |
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| ![]() Where does this myth come from that people in India don't drive fast, regularly dangerously fast for the circumstances? I have lived in two big cities: Chennai and London. There is nothing slower about Chennai. |
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| ![]() Try living in Bangalore. Average speed of 10 km per hour. |
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Infact we should have more stringent rules for building safer cars, for speeds are no less on our roads, law enforcement is a joke and civic sense is almost absent. Compare that with places where speeds are no less, there is proper lane discipline and road sense, most of the people follow rules.. which place needs cars built for higher safety standards? You missed the point. I have seen the madness in Bangalore on the smallest of empty stretches of roads. That was not 10 Kmph, that would not have been 100 kmph also. That was "madness" kmph within the city. And that's not just Bangalore, It's seen everywhere on our roads. Last edited by ajaypjayaraj : 8th November 2014 at 18:43. | |
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I was only criticizing the so-called new advocates/apostles of safety in India who say they are having the safety of the Indians in their mind and hence providing dual airbags as standard in all their cars. If they say they are not compromising on safety in their cars, I'm just confused why they are still skipping ABS in their cars (lower variants) when the safety standards internationally mandate it in all cars? I'm not justifying Maruti, Hyundai or Nissan for providing below par shells in Indian cars when VW, Fiat and Ford can provide strong shells at similar price points. However, when Toyota starts proclaiming themselves on their renewed safety focus by fitting airbags to Etios/Liva, I cannot believe they are focusing on safety. May be its just the sceptical 'me' talking, but I don't have confidence that Etios would get a stable rating for their shell either, considering the pictures I've seen in the accidents thread. | |
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I also do not feel that any of the manufacturer here in India is absolutely serious about the safety of their customers. But something is better than nothing. If they really want to promote safety, the manufacturers should at least give ABS, dual airbags and a safe passenger compartment which does not buckle or intruded in case of a hit; in every variant. For Maruti, the major issue is the compromised structure on Indian variants compared to the EU version. This clearly shows double standard and callous attitude towards it's largest market. And the cherry on the cake is the comment from the management. Simply put, they declare that Indians do not need safe cars! | |
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The old folks who used to say "I don't drive fast and hence don't need an airbag" would still drive as usual and would be safe now from a head on collision. However, if some clowns start ripping apart their airbag equipped cars thinking their 'magical' airbags would save them from a 100km/h crash, God save the innocent fellow road users! Currently, we are seeing these in Honda Citys and BMWs (and hence lesser in number) but in future, be prepared to hear the same from young drivers in Altos and Eons! Those of us who know more about the structural integrity knows that this is for a certain speed that we are speaking about - 64 km/h. However, if any manufacturer tries to claim they have a shell that didn't fail in European crash test without emphasis on the tested speed, the public would never assume that those would not be intact in case the speed is 80 instead of 64. Last edited by zenren : 8th November 2014 at 21:33. | |
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| ![]() I lived in Bangalore for 5 years, had a car for 3 years and every day I used to drive beyond 10 kmph; sometimes upto 80 kmph! Probably I was in a different part of Bangalore. ![]() My regular timing was 40 mins for 19 odd kilometers which approximates 30 kmph average (Data for close to 1 year). And there are NOT many people who can afford a car for just city drives @ 10 kmph; most of them also use it for journeys with much higher average speeds & top speeds too. Last edited by swiftnfurious : 8th November 2014 at 22:11. |
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