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Originally Posted by cbatrody First of all, before trying to justify the manufacturer tooth and nail,
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Where did I justify manufacturer tooth and nail?
Check all my 3 posts on this thread on previous page
In fact in my first post on the previous page, this is what I mentioned against Mahindra for that Army friend’s case
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Originally Posted by TheIndian Now, this needs to be pursued. Clear cut, step by step, forthright citations of the sequence of events, crash, precautions taken, and expectations demanded from Mahindra clearly articulated. Logically & objectively put up to Mahindras in no uncertain terms. Please keep us informed on the progress and our best wishes are with your friend. |
Besides, reiterating that if you call me justifying manufacturer tooth and nail, I can call you blindly bashing the manufacturer nail and tooth, left, right & centre. Again, it won’t take any of us anywhere. Let’s refrain from such adjectives.
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Originally Posted by cbatrody As I mentioned, I was curious if at all Google would throw out any matching results for the search criteria that I was looking for.
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Please do a Google search yourself on "mahindra xuv500 airbags deployed in an accident" & search again replacing Mahindra XUV500 with Mercedes Benz. |
So, instead of paying heed to officially published figures (mentioned by SDP reposted by Jeevith above), you’ll conveniently go with Google search with selective wishful reinforcement?
1.IIRC Google uses some algorithm in throwing out the search results, sequence etc. e.g. most clicks, recency (ageing), preference & pattern of the Google account holder etc, am not sure on specifics though. But in that case, you are just relying on Google algorithm. Most of your XUV related results in the screenshot you posted are pertaining to this thread incidence, pictures, news items.
e.g. in your search “ Mahindra xuv500 airbags deployed in an accident”, you have replaced Mahindra xuv500 (Model) with Mercedes Benz (Brand). Try replacing it with Mercedes C-Class airbags deployed in an accident or try replacing it with Toyota Etios or better an equal brand to XUV for Apple-to-Apple comparison. Still it would depend on Google algorithms and may not lead to any sort of conclusion
2. You have selectively Google searched your way, against that in my previous post, I posted 2 screenshots. One was a mere search of "airbags didn't deploy" without any brand name. Which manufacturers’ names it returned with? Toyota, Mercedes? Was there Mahindra or XUV name there? No. So, does it mean XUV airbag deployment is more reliable than Toyota & Mercedes? According to your theory, the answer is YES. But I would not go gaga over it and would say it’s not conclusive and does not lead to any sort of conclusion
To avoid such subjectivity, that’s why forums like TBHP usually insist on asking to publish source or empirical/ authenticated data to substantiate what you claim. This was precisely what SDP was asking somebody a few pages back (to the best of my knowledge what I read there)
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Originally Posted by cbatrody Conclusion is: the product (airbags in XUV500) is spurious, not well designed, may be with an improper algorithm, have cheap sensors or in layman's terms - half cooked, doesn't serve the purpose that it is designed for. |
Basis your Google search method & logic? I would say it’s a selective wishful reinforcement from such method which one derives what he/ she wants to derive and believe.
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Originally Posted by Jeevith
Your methodology presumes that ALL instances of airbag deployment (or non-deployment) are picked up by Google. Google merely uses crawlers that pick up other websites based on key words such as "airbags" and "deploy" (which is why even your search for "deployed" without the word "not" still picks up instances of images where air bags did not deploy).
Now that being the case, how likely is there going to be a website reporting an instance of airbag deployment (unless the airbags DIDN'T deploy). In other words an article on a website is more likely going to use the words "airbag" and "deploy" only in instances where the airbags didn't deploy. If you are looking for images/instances of airbag deployment, search only the phrase "XUV 500 accident" and you're probably going to find a higher success rate than your search phrase (though this will also not be an accurate representation of how many instances are there of air bag deployment as not all instances even get reported). |
Missed your post. But exactly my point though was not technically sure of the terminology/ specifics
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Originally Posted by Jeevith Also, your comparative search (i.e., Mercedes) was for a manufacturer and not a specific car model. Try searching for the phase "toyota etios airbags deployed in an accident" or any other specific car model (and not a manufacturer), too see the point the rationalists are trying to make. And if you absolutely must use this method to compare cars (despite its obvious flaws), compare a car that sells in as many numbers as the XUV. |
Exactly. Have mentioned the same but you've put it in a better way
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Originally Posted by Jeevith Lastly, the person you were responding to wasn't defending Mahindra, but IMHO was pointing out the folly of such short sighted methods of coming to conclusions. |
Thank You. Which is precisely what I was pointing out.