[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by PPS

The Mother of all Shootout's !

http://www.motorbeam.com/cars/honda-...apid-vs-scala/

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City handles better than a Linea TJet, and close to Ford Fiesta?
'City comes a close second and with better tyres, it might be able to challenge the dynamics king, the Ford Fiesta'.

City has a better ride than Vento / Rapid?
'Vento and Rapid have a good ride but the City is even better'

Quality of a Verna?
'Honda has managed to squeeze in the space of a Sunny, quality of a Verna, and dynamics of a Fiesta in one brilliant package!'.


Ya, right! Agreed its an alround package, but i take these words with a packetfull of salt. Go figure!

[s_pphilip]

Originally Posted by PPS

The Mother of all Shootout's !

http://www.motorbeam.com/cars/honda-...apid-vs-scala/

I think they have over glorified the City, (no doubt a thoroughly competitive car) while downplaying strengths of some of the other good ones. Anyways no statistic can actually reveal driving pleasure, its all about connect, since they haven't quantified the ratings, they should not marginalize the difference either and say being close is equally good, doesn't work so for the one's who connect.
Anyways no worries as we know where to look for the right kind of information, its all here.

[pixantz]

Originally Posted by sunilsoft

Skoda Rapid Raining Discounts
Offer Includes
» 5 yrs Warranty + 5 yrs Road Side Assistance

» 5 yrs Basic Maintenance Package covering Periodic Service Cost and Labor as per Owner Manual

» Low EMI Finance @ 7.99% from VW Finance

Does this give an indication that Skoda has lost ground in the sales chart of late? Sure looks like it. Back here in Mumbai, after a great initial Rapid sales streak, the only one blazing towards glory now seems to be the Verna and City. This proves that just making a brilliant car alone is not enough to woo the smart Indian buyer. How you treat him/her after he has bought the car goes a long way in keeping the charts heated up!

[harpreetsubhi]

Originally Posted by s_pphilip

I think they have over glorified the City, (no doubt a thoroughly competitive car) while downplaying strengths of some of the other good ones. Anyways no statistic can actually reveal driving pleasure, its all about connect, since they haven't quantified the ratings, they should not marginalize the difference either and say being close is equally good, doesn't work so for the one's who connect.
Anyways no worries as we know where to look for the right kind of information, its all here.

I own a Honda City 2014 i-DTEC and would like to put some points accross:
Honda City is a great car but the build quality as is not as solid as the European cars - Linea and Volkswagon. Moreover on price front too, Honda is way highly priced than the stronger European rivals.

This would directly raise a question as to why I went for Honda City is because of excellent after sales support and low maintainence cost. Though city driving is something I do most of the time and CITY scores considerable points on that front.

Please watchout CIAZ which looks like a formiddable competitor to all these Sedan as it looks really nice in all pictures floating around on the internet.

Originally Posted by pixantz

Does this give an indication that Skoda has lost ground in the sales chart of late? Sure looks like it. Back here in Mumbai, after a great initial Rapid sales streak, the only one blazing towards glory now seems to be the Verna and City. This proves that just making a brilliant car alone is not enough to woo the smart Indian buyer. How you treat him/her after he has bought the car goes a long way in keeping the charts heated up!

I read Volkswagon CEO's interview where he clearly mentioned that they are actively considering to shut down the shops of Skoda brand in India as it has been a totally loss making venture since its inception in India. May be I overread it. But it seems the cars are being offered discounted rates to clear up a level of stock pilled up in the factories.

[sunilsoft]

Originally Posted by pixantz

Does this give an indication that Skoda has lost ground in the sales chart of late? Sure looks like it. Back here in Mumbai, after a great initial Rapid sales streak, the only one blazing towards glory now seems to be the Verna and City. This proves that just making a brilliant car alone is not enough to woo the smart Indian buyer. How you treat him/her after he has bought the car goes a long way in keeping the charts heated up!

Absolutely nailed it. That's the reason they have lost customers. Rather than wooing customers by providing service they are launching schemes one after other. Attractive sale schemes are not enough for building a brand.

I personally liked rapid and was even interested in buying one but the stories I have read on Team-Bhp(Harish and Dr. Vineet) have kept me out of the skoda's trap.

[s_pphilip]

Originally Posted by harpreetsubhi

I read Volkswagon CEO's interview where he clearly mentioned that they are actively considering to shut down the shops of Skoda brand in India as it has been a totally loss making venture since its inception in India. May be I over read it. But it seems the cars are being offered discounted rates to clear up a level of stock pilled up in the factories.

How foolish of the VW brass, they still can't nail it enh, it's not Skoda, its the management and their pathetic attitude to owners which are stopping them from being market leaders and this is across the house, even VW is struggling.
If these guys had the right attitude, half of T-BHP would own VW's & Fiat's and Ford's, they don't need discounts to sell cars to us, at least the others are acting in the right direction, not VW with their inflated egos, why do they act like the cat drinking milk with eyes closed, they know it yet do not accept it.
Sorry for the rant, but its unfortunate they blame a good car but not themselves.
Only if they could hire someone passionate about cars to run the show, looks like these guys are the white elephants in the company, just enjoying their paychecks and board meetings with nothing productive.

[D4D]

Originally Posted by s_pphilip

I think they have over glorified the City, (no doubt a thoroughly competitive car) while downplaying strengths of some of the other good ones. Anyways no statistic can actually reveal driving pleasure, its all about connect, since they haven't quantified the ratings, they should not marginalize the difference either and say being close is equally good, doesn't work so for the one's who connect.
Anyways no worries as we know where to look for the right kind of information, its all here.

+1. City is overglorified, but it is the best car(for the average person) in the test. It is the best considering the needs of the people, but it is surprising to see it win by a big margin.

City is doubt is a brilliant car with a brilliant set of engines, but people say that handling is not the best. But considering ASS and reliability, the City is the best car in this comparison!

[s_pphilip]

Originally Posted by D4D

+1. City is overglorified, but it is the best car(for the average person) in the test. It is the best considering the needs of the people, but it is surprising to see it win by a big margin.

City is doubt is a brilliant car with a brilliant set of engines, but people say that handling is not the best. But considering ASS and reliability, the City is the best car in this comparison!

Originally Posted by harpreetsubhi

I own a Honda City 2014 i-DTEC and would like to put some points accross:
Honda City is a great car but the build quality as is not as solid as the European cars - Linea and Volkswagon. Moreover on price front too, Honda is way highly priced than the stronger European rivals.

This would directly raise a question as to why I went for Honda City is because of excellent after sales support and low maintainence cost. Though city driving is something I do most of the time and CITY scores considerable points on that front.

True, no body denies it being a good car, in fact it is a great all round car but is not perfect, in the shootout it should beat the others by a small margin and win based on practicality, ASS, reliability and efficiency, it is surrounded by some competent peers that do some things a lot better and they should not marginalize & downplay these strengths as for some, these parameters carry greater weight-age, anyways its their magazine and they can write what they want, we have T-BHP, so its win-win for everybody.
City is for everybody and the Ford's, VW's, Skoda's & Fiat's are for the enthusiasts lurking on T-BHP.

[harpreetsubhi]

Originally Posted by s_pphilip

How foolish of the VW brass, they still can't nail it enh, it's not Skoda, its the management and their pathetic attitude to owners which are stopping them from being market leaders and this is across the house, even VW is struggling.
If these guys had the right attitude, half of T-BHP would own VW's & Fiat's and Ford's, they don't need discounts to sell cars to us, at least the others are acting in the right direction, not VW with their inflated egos, why do they act like the cat drinking milk with eyes closed, they know it yet do not accept it.
Sorry for the rant, but its unfortunate they blame a good car but not themselves.
Only if they could hire someone passionate about cars to run the show, looks like these guys are the white elephants in the company, just enjoying their paychecks and board meetings with nothing productive.

Hi Phillip

I second you on this. In fact my dream was to buy VW Vento Highline which was fully loaded in 10.7L. But reading about a poor after sales and haunted by pathetic treatment by Ford, I took the safest decision to buy Honda City SV i-dtech which offered much lesser than what VW was offering in the same money. Chose Honda purely on the merit of their astounding long term ownership.
Cheers

[pixantz]

Would like to hear what the pro's like GTO and all other respected mods have to say about the mystery as to why these brilliant motor-makers like Skoda, VW, etc are acting like a car with a bad ECM instead of getting their act straight and making lives heaven for everyone!

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by pixantz

Would like to hear what the pro's like GTO and all other respected mods have to say about the mystery as to why these brilliant motor-makers like Skoda, VW, etc are acting like a car with a bad ECM instead of getting their act straight and making lives heaven for everyone!

Not a pro, but in my opinion- it's the German attitude. European rather!

They are never good at service and the products are always over-engineered to overcome this limitation they know they have!

Holds true for many European brands like VW and subsidiaries, FIAT and it's subsidiaries, BMW, Mercedes etc.

[Sommos]

Originally Posted by pixantz

Would like to hear what the pro's like GTO and all other respected mods have to say about the mystery as to why these brilliant motor-makers like Skoda, VW, etc are acting like a car with a bad ECM instead of getting their act straight and making lives heaven for everyone!

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Not a pro, but in my opinion- it's the German attitude. European rather!

They are never good at service and the products are always over-engineered to overcome this limitation they know they have!

Holds true for many European brands like VW and subsidiaries, FIAT and it's subsidiaries, BMW, Mercedes etc.

By "pro" he meant GTO & other mods and not VW or it's car.

[saket77]

Originally Posted by Sommos

By "pro" he meant GTO & other mods and not VW or it's car.

I think Crazy Driver meant to say that he is not considering himself as a pro. Did not use it in the context of the car I suppose.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by Sommos

By "pro" he meant GTO & other mods and not VW or it's car.

Sorry, that just went right over my head.

I also meant the same only - and since I am not the one he targeted the question to, I replied that I'm not a pro, but here's my opinion anyways.

Did I mis-understand something, or messed it up while expressing myself?

[Sommos]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

I also meant the same only - and since I am not the one he targeted the question to, I replied that I'm not a pro, but here's my opinion anyways.

Did I mis-understand something, or messed it up while expressing myself?

Sorry, in a hurry I messed up.