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Old 1st November 2021, 11:05   #14326
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Bumrah says India suffering from BUBBLE FATIGUE.
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When asked if the team were fatigued after the IPL season, which concluded a week before the World Cup, Bumrah told reporters: "Absolutely, sometimes you need a break. You miss your family. You've been on the road for six months.

"So all of that sometimes play on the back of your mind. But when you're on the field, you don't think of all those things ... Obviously staying in a bubble and staying away from your family for such a long period of time does play a role.

"The BCCI also tried their best to make us feel comfortable ... It's a difficult time. There's a pandemic going on, so we try to adapt but sometimes bubble fatigue, mental fatigue also creeps in."
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Team India is much much better then the stats of these 2 matches. Pitch conditions and toss is dominating the results in this tournament, everyone batting first is struggling, we were hard done by Kohli's bad luck at winning tosses.

Extensive watering is done to keep these pitches in playable condition in extreme heat of middle east, that moisture is messing up the playing conditions in the first and second innings and making batting easier for teams batting second, just look at the stats of the matches so far, teams batting second are having a ball at the ground.
Endorse everything that is said here. The bounce was clearly spongy and timing the ball was not easy while it becomes a different pitch second time batting.

Having said that, the team looks extremely jaded as well, very very tired. They are playing badly but it seems out of tiredness. Continuously on the road in different type of bubble environment is something no other team has done for so long. Can be critical of BCCI, to some extent of Kohli for his lack of captaincy skills (another matter that last two years he has not being batting well), but the overall team is not as bad as the performances indicate. Could the team selection be better- most definitely. But even the current one is better than how it is playing. The team is unable to walk with a spring in its step due to fatigue.
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It is obvious that we are all disappointed ( being Indians ) that our national team ( deemed one of the best teams ) may not even make it to Semi finals now. But are we right in blaming the team, playing XI selection, Virat's captaincy, possibly tired players, busy schedule, questioning their commitment or blaming Md. Shami?

I think, the main reasons is the dew factor. The team that wins the toss, decides to field first and has more than 80% chance to win. You will continue to see this trend in the remaining matches as well.
Let me present few facts.
  • Of the 28 matches played between different teams ( till 31st October ).
  • 20 are won by the team batting second.
  • 8 are won by the team batting first.
  • Of these 8, 7 were won against teams like Scotland, PNG, Oman, Ireland and Namibia. 1 match, West Indies won against Bangladesh by just 3 runs.

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It is obvious that we are all disappointed ( being Indians ) that our national team ( deemed one of the best teams ) may not even make it to Semi finals now. But are we right in blaming the team, playing XI selection, Virat's captaincy, possibly tired players, busy schedule, questioning their commitment or blaming Md. Shami?

I think, the main reasons is the dew factor. The team that wins the toss, decides to field first and has more than 80% chance to win. You will continue to see this trend in the remaining matches as well.
Let me present few facts.
  • Of the 28 matches played between different teams ( till 31st October ).
  • 20 are won by the team batting second.
  • 8 are won by the team batting first.
  • Of these 8, 7 were won against teams like Scotland, PNG, Oman, Ireland and Namibia. 1 match, West Indies won against Bangladesh by just 3 runs.

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I really don't care about the loss, it's a game afterall. It's the manner in which they have come, Batting has looked pathetic, Bowlers have just not shown up. They score 170-180 and lose in last over, because the bowlers struggled to grip the ball, I am fine with it, but when you make 111 you will get mocked. When you can't hit a boundary for 9-10 overs on a Trot you will be mocked. BCCI along with players is equally to be blamed, they could have just avoided the second half of IPL, but then what about all the money. Honestly hardly anyone I know followed the second half of IPL with any interest, except Board no one cared.

That said this is done and dusted hopefully BCCI will take a cue and be a little mindful before the next world cup, it's just a year away. If you look at Indian team calendar they have no breathing space, maybe it is time to make three different teams, and back them for sometime, with very few players allowed to play two formats.

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Losing a few matches, don't think anybody has a problem with it but its really the manner of defeat which hurts that too at the grandest stage of them all!

I felt there were too many changes to the batting order for a must-win game on the basis of just 2 good deliveries from Shaheen Afridi! We keep forgetting that the grounds in Dubai are much bigger. All the first 4 wickets yesterday would have probably been sixes at most Indian grounds.

You could see that the batsman were tense & under pressure. The entire white ball team has to be somewhat overhauled I feel if we are really serious about winning a WC, and I don't just mean the T20WC next year but the ODIWC in 2023. Most likely Shikhar Dhawan will captain against NZ in the T20's 2 weeks later back home as most of the stars will take a break. Whether it is Rohit,Virat,Shreyas Iyer or even Ruturaj - all of them are similar players & we can't possibly have them all in the playing XI. Which also doesn't mean we select Venkatesh Iyer based on just half a good IPL. Someone like Deepak Chahar has consistently played for India for a while isn't even part of the main squad & Chahal dropped while you select Shami who's played 14 T20's in last 7yrs! The Selection Committee certainly has a lot to answer.
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Bumrah says India suffering from BUBBLE FATIGUE.
They had 1 whole week between the two matches. It is ok to lose, but they didn't give a fight man.
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England was 47/3 after first 10 overs (almost like India) and they finished with 163/4 , that is 116 runs added in last 10 overs. Morgan struggled but did sweat it out and provided good support to butler, who himself struggled initially and then opened up. Indian team should see this again and again, who had no application and played like headless chickens. England might win or lose, but at least the fans won’t mock them, they played a great first innings.

Everyone saying wicket is slow and Indian player struggled should see this innings too, England surely is a strong contender for the quality of cricket they are playing.
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Many international players took a smart break from IPL to keep themselves fresh and energetic for the world cup. Best example is Butler's innings today. In cricket or any outdoor sport sometimes time off from the usual burn out is beneficial.
Butler proves it again that proper rest and break can do wonders for an important tournament like World Cup. Brilliant century. Those who all say that Toss is the decider, must think again! India was just poor so lets not bring the toss/luck factor as an excuse.
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The Indian team lost to Pakistan. For some fans the team did the unthinkable. All the hate is stemming from that.

Indian team is doing just fine. It is only natural that you lose matches - at times many times in a row. And sometimes even crucial matches. When Windies lost to India in 83, they were supposedly invincible.

It happens. It is not that they are playing to lose. Bad days happen. Those losing their minds over this needs to check-in into a mental institution.

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This is the last tournament for Kohli as captain. At least the expectation was for to team to rally around for their outgoing captain. But instead, the team is playing with the level of motivation of an employee in the notice period
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Kohli should apply for HR Positions or become an English Teacher.
Did Kohli really believed that he can defend 110 on a flat wicket?
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I think, the main reasons is the dew factor. The team that wins the toss, decides to field first and has more than 80% chance to win. You will continue to see this trend in the remaining matches as well.
IPL was played a couple of weeks back, where teams batting 1st were posting 180+ scores. What changed?
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I am surprised that IPL keeps coming into these discussions. All the notable IPL performances this year were by youngsters like Rituraj, Venketesh, Samson, etc. None of them is part of this team. If the top players from IPL were picked and they lost the way we did in the last two matches, that would have been surprising. KL Rahul is the only one who had a good IPL in this team. Rest of them were average. This is a team that was formed based on reputation rather than IPL performance.
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I am surprised that IPL keeps coming into these discussions.
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This is a team that was formed based on reputation rather than IPL performance.
There must have been some impact on fitness level of Indian players after such a rigorous IPL schedule under hot humid conditions.

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There must have been some impact on fitness level of Indian players after such a rigorous IPL schedule under hot humid conditions.
David Warner, Kane Williamson, Moeen Ali, Hazlewood, Curran, Rashid Khan... All other IPL players are doing good and we are quoting excuses.

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Bumrah says India suffering from BUBBLE FATIGUE..
Butler,Bairstow, Woakes & Co. also suffered from bubble fatigue. That is why they opted out of the phase II of IPL! Leaving their franchises not happy obviously but its looking like they'll get the T20WC home.
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All the notable IPL performances this year were by youngsters like Rituraj, Venketesh, Samson, etc. None of them is part of this team.
That is an interesting point. Somebody made a best fit Indian team from the performances in the UAE leg of IPL 2021. Here it is,
1. Ruturaj Gaikwad (7m, 337 runs)
2. Venkatesh Iyer (6m, 239 runs)
3. KL Rahul (6m, 295 runs)
4. Rahul Tripathi (6m, 190 runs)
5. Sanju Samson (7m, 207 runs)
6. Dinesh Karthik (wk, 81 runs)
7. Ravindra Jadeja (5m, 96 runs 4 wickets)
8. Yuzvendra Chahal (7m, 12 wickets)
9. Harshal Patel (7m, 13 wickets)
10. Avesh Khan (5m, 8 wickets)
11. Jasprit Bumrah (6m, 13 wickets)
Source: https://www.crictracker.com/ipl-2021...n-the-uae-leg/

I am unable to find a stats site that has split between the India & UAE leg of IPL 2021. So can't find the performances of current Indian team members.
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