[Samurai]

Originally Posted by sa_kiran

I don't know about NID, so I can't comment about it. But, Aadhar is what MUST be avoided.

I think he is assuming you are PS Deodhar.

[HillMan]

Originally Posted by sa_kiran

I don't know about NID, so I can't comment about it. But, Aadhar is what MUST be avoided.

Originally Posted by Samurai

I think he is assuming you are PS Deodhar.

Sorry. Read it too quick. Missed the start of the quote.

[carboy]

Originally Posted by sa_kiran

I don't know about NID, so I can't comment about it. But, Aadhar is what MUST be avoided.

All forms of National ID Cards must be avoided.

[whitewing]

Hi,
There is a talk organised by the ESG.

Talk by Usha Ramanathan on Aadhaar project and implications in the context of recent decisions by the Supreme Court of India
Monday, 7th October 2013, 6 p.m.at St. Mark's Cathedral, M. G. Road, Bangalore 560001
Organised by Environment Support Group.

Please note that the organisers also have asked for an RSVP.

"As the venue could be reassigned at the very last minute, you are requested to confirm your participation by mailing shashi@esgindia.org or calling 080-26713559 ~ 61 at least two hours before the talk. Do leave your cell no., in case you have one, so we can sms you the reassigned venue, if necessary."

[carboy]

Originally Posted by whitewing

Hi,
There is a talk organised by the ESG.

There seems to be a wave (although a very very tiny one) building up against Aadhar. Hopefuly it will build up even more. Good on ESG for organising this.

[sgiitk]

Originally Posted by carboy

All forms of National ID Cards must be avoided.

The passport is also a National ID as is PAN. You are trying to promote anarchy in an attempt to infuse some order. I personally feel (limited agreement with Samurai) it is high time Aadhar and NPR are merged. Since the data base of Aadhar is about 100x that of NPR who goes should be quite obvious.

[carboy]

Originally Posted by sgiitk

The passport is also a National ID as is PAN.

It's a travel document. Nobody insists on a passport for anything other than travel purpose. And that too only for international travel. It's not compulsory for anything else.

A PAN is for financial transactions. When I travel, nobody insists on seeing my PAN card. When I go to vote, no one insists on seeing my PAN card.

A National ID is something which is compulsory for different unrelated purposes.

"Papers please"

[sgiitk]

@carboy; I am afraid PAN is used for many other purposes as well, and I am not happy with the way it is bandied around.

[carboy]

Originally Posted by sgiitk

@carboy; I am afraid PAN is used for many other purposes as well,

Like what? I have seen it asked for phone connections but they don't insist on it - there used to be an alternate section if you didn't have a PAN. If they have made it compulsory now, then that's bad.

Originally Posted by sgiitk

and I am not happy with the way it is bandied around.

Why not?

[bblost]

Originally Posted by carboy

A PAN is for financial transactions. When I travel, nobody insists on seeing my PAN card. When I go to vote, no one insists on seeing my PAN card.

http://articles.economictimes.indiat...umber-form-15g

> Payment in Hotels and Restaurants: You may asked to submit a copy of your PAN if you pay cash in hotels or restaurants against bills for an amount exceeding Rs. 25,000

> Payment to Travel Agents: Cash payment more than Rs. 25,000 for travel to any foreign country (fare or purchase of foreign currency) in a single payment requires you to produce your PAN copy

[carboy]

Originally Posted by bblost

http://articles.economictimes.indiat...umber-form-15g

> Bank Fixed Deposits

This is a financial transaction!

> Payment in Hotels and Restaurants
> Payment to Travel Agents
> Jewellery shops

Here it's asked only for cash transactions. You have the option of paying of not paying by cash.

> Rental Agreements

I have rented my flat out & I didn't ask for a PAN number from my tenant.
My cobbler may insist on seeing my PAN number before he repairs my shoes but I cannot blame the Govt for that. What I said was "PAN is compulsory only financial transactions". The compulsion I was talking about was ones imposed by the Govt. People other than the Govt can insist on arbitrary stuff - I am not bothered by that.

[bblost]

Originally Posted by carboy

> Bank Fixed Deposits

This is a financial transaction!

> Payment in Hotels and Restaurants
> Payment to Travel Agents
> Jewellery shops

Here it's asked only for cash transactions. You have the option of paying of not paying by cash.

So you pay by using your bank's debit or credit card which would get tied in with your Pan Card.

[carboy]

Originally Posted by bblost

So you pay by using your bank's debit or credit card which would get tied in with your Pan Card.

Ok. What's your point - does that make PAN a national ID card?

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by bblost

So you pay by using your bank's debit or credit card which would get tied in with your Pan Card.

While it is linked, you don't have to carry it and show it everyplace. That is the point.

[bblost]

Originally Posted by carboy

Ok. What's your point - does that make PAN a national ID card?

My point is that your argument that NO ONE asks for your Pan Card while travelling is flawed.

Originally Posted by Samurai

While it is linked, you don't have to carry it and show it everyplace. That is the point.

Yes. Its one of those transparent (invisible) ways in which we are tracked and monitored.