[Poitive]

Originally Posted by mathranik

I have done my homework, but it's way too vast to discuss it all here. Vis-a-vis German manufacturers, it is no less than 15 to 20% lower to maintain a Korean. I have my figures to back my stats. Thank you.

It may be offtopic here, but your homework may be rather helpful to others. Would be a good idea to start a new thread and post a link here. Others too could add their experiences. FE too could be mentined as a part of it.

Could be something like:
Cost of running/ownership of various cars/entry level Sedans.

Please do quote/pm me if you were to start such a thread. Would not like to miss it.

[bharatbs]

I test drove the ANHV and Vento TDI yesterday. The following is strictly IMO

ANHV 1.6 CRDI SX
Distance driven: 4kms
Speed: Up to 90 kph
Road: Inner ring road, Bangalore

Positives:

• Looks excellent, especially the black variant (the car just stands out among the rest of the sedans in its class)
• The car felt and handled like a petrol engine car; I could not hear the engine sound, I did not feel any turbo lag as the speed picks up linearly as compared to Vento
• I felt the car is very powerful, (I drive a Swift Petrol) 
• 16” Alloy wheel plus good Bridgestone rubber (I don’t need to upgrade them)

Negatives

• Front seats near the upper back area are very hard, as a result my neck/head was not resting on the seat and that resulted in pain near the neck.
• Rear seats like everyone mentioned is set very low and that is a major problem especially in long drives. Also rear seated adult passengers may feel claustrophobic because of this.
• Three adults at the rear will be difficult to accommodate.
• Suspension is very soft. The speed breaker on IRR which I normally take in good speed on my Swift bottomed out the ANHV. There will definitely be stability issues at high speed on our highways which have so many undulations.
• While driving I had to rely on the OVRMs to judge the traffic behind the car as the rear wind screen offers little visibility

Others:

• Lot of people have mentioned that steering is non-responsive and. I did not have any problem with steering, I felt the car was always under control. I did not travel at high speed so I cannot comment on high-speed handling.
• The quality of the music system is not good. I wonder how much margins car manufacturers keep on music system. Why can’t they tie up with Pioneer/Alpine/JBL for the head units and speakers.
• Service is 10,000kms or 1 year whichever comes earlier. Diesel servicing will cost an additional Rs 3,850 as you need to change the air filter, diesel filter and will also require slightly more engine oil.

Vento 1.6 TDI
Distance driven: 3kms
Speed: Up to 90 kph
Road: Palace cross road, Bangalore

Positives:

• Good build quality overall except the cheap arm rest
• Powerful car, I felt ANHV was better though because of the linear power curve
• Better all round visibility when compared to ANHV

Negatives:

• No EBD with ABS for a 11 lakhs car, For Christ’s sake even my 2008 Swift comes with ABS + EBD.
• Noisy engine, you can always hear the clattering sound. (expected better refinement from 11 lakhs German car) (remember I drive a petrol car, so maybe this was more noticeable to me)
• Very noticeable Turbo lag, the car suddenly takes off after 2000 rpm
• While going over potholes, noise from suspension/rear seat was filtering into the cabin like my swift ( demo car had run 9000 kms)
• Only two adults can sit in the rear, the middle seat has an extremely hard back support thanks to the hand rest and not to mention the big hump.
• I am 5.8 and I had a hard time getting into the driver seat without bumping my head into the ceiling.
• You will need to upgrade the tyres, if you like to travel at high speeds

Others:

• Was told 6.5 months delivery time for Vento TDI HL and 4.5 months delivery time for Vento TDI TL
• When asked about comfort line, I was told margins are higher on high line, hence they do not want to offer comfort line. That is ridiculous
• Hardly anyone in the showroom to look at VW Vento as compared to ANHV
• The quality of the Music system like the ANHV is not great, plus you don’t get steering controls plus no USB/iPOD.

My driving is not more than 9000kms per year and I don’t like to keep the car beyond 4 years, so I guess I will need to go for a Petrol.

I will drive the ANHC and decide

[oxyzen]

Originally Posted by bharatbs

Very noticeable Turbo lag, the car suddenly takes off after 2000 rpm

Vento is one of the rare diesels that has almost NIL lag. Yes It takes off after 2000 but it is no slouch before 2000.

[FlyingSpur]

Is there anyone here from Mumbai who has booked / taken delivery of an ANHV CRDi AT ?

[Xehaust]

I dont think so. Further, the Hyundai showrooms seem to not have any diesel test drive car!

[easterncar]

Originally Posted by bharatbs

I test drove the ANHV and Vento TDI yesterday. The following is strictly IMO

ANHV 1.6 CRDI SX
Distance driven: 4kms
Speed: Up to 90 kph
Road: Inner ring road, Bangalore

The vento does come with ABS in Highline atleast. Does swift have EBD ?

The Vento is not slow under 2000 rpm. its so comfortable to drive in 4th gear at 1600 rpm and then press the pedal and you go. no probs.

Both verna and vento can seat only two comfortably, vento has more leg room but the hump is problem for 3rd person.

The seat can be lowered which does help and the head does not hit. I am 6'' but i don't have any problem. in the test drive car i hit my head on entering, but once seat is lowered it is not a problem.


The difference between Petrol and Diesel SX model is 1,33,000 rs. and at 12% interest it comes to 1,57,000 four 4 years. lets say you drive 9000km per year.

So in petrol you pay 70.71 Rs per LT = 10 kms per LT. = 7.071 per km cost

In Diesel you pay 43.40 RS Per LT = 11 kms per LT. = 3.94 per km cost

so you pay 9000 x 4 x 7.071 = 2,54,556 in four years. for petrol

so you pay 9000 x 4 x 3.94 = 1,41,840 in four years. for diesel

you pay 1,12,716 in four years for less for diesel. In the end you can get at least 65k to 70 k extra for diesel. and yes you might pay more for service lets say 20,000 Rs. Still it would cost the same. As you pay for the less for diesel lets say 28k and so on per year. so you get atleast 8-9k as int in bank for same.

over all the cost of car will come about the same if you buy the Diesel even if you drive 9k per year.

Disclaimer : the Car rates are based on On road prices ( bangalore ) the Fuel prices have been taken from HYd. the prices are near accurate they have been rounded off for the car price and fuel. The fuel prices could be off by some paise.

[KPS]

Originally Posted by easterncar

The difference between Petrol and Diesel SX model is 1,33,000 rs. and at 12% interest it comes to 1,57,000 four 4 years. lets say you drive 9000km per year.

So in petrol you pay 70.71 Rs per LT = 10 kms per LT. = 7.071 per km cost

In Diesel you pay 43.40 RS Per LT = 11 kms per LT. = 3.94 per km cost

so you pay 9000 x 4 x 7.071 = 2,54,556 in four years. for petrol

so you pay 9000 x 4 x 3.94 = 1,41,840 in four years. for diesel

you pay 1,12,716 in four years for less for diesel. In the end you can get at least 65k to 70 k extra for diesel. and yes you might pay more for service lets say 20,000 Rs. Still it would cost the same. As you pay for the less for diesel lets say 28k and so on per year. so you get atleast 8-9k as int in bank for same.

over all the cost of car will come about the same if you buy the Diesel even if you drive 9k per year.

Disclaimer : the Car rates are based on On road prices ( bangalore ) the Fuel prices have been taken from HYd. the prices are near accurate they have been rounded off for the car price and fuel. The fuel prices could be off by some paise.

Hi Easterncar,

Calculations look acceptable at first glance but will need to be tweaked.

1. FE in the city for diesel will be 13 based on my past ownership of Accent CRDI and i20. Over 4 years this is a significant difference
2. The resale value of the diesel cars is substantially higher.

Cheers

[drmohitg]

Also for anyone who drives for less then 10k kms each year its never advisable to go for the diesel variant from a financial point of view. Diesel will only help you save money if your running is more towards 1200+kms per month.

Also 1 important thing here is that everyone in general hates the daily agony of paying a fortune for a tankful of petrol when they see that they could have paid half that amount for the diesel. Even though you might not be saving much in the end but that small satisfaction you get when paying for Diesel everytime is very addicting .
I get 50ltr of Diesel for just 1900 Rs ONLY !!

[ByDesign]

While the level of kit provided is pretty impressive, the new fluidic failed to impress us as a roomy family car. My father mother and I plonked ourselves in the back seat and lo and behold, the door wouldn't close! There wasn't enough space at all for three people in the back. That I felt was slightly odd, as our old accent houses three comfortably enough.

What happened then was we went next door to Chevvy (literally), and ended up booking the much roomier, much more powerful, slightly cheaper Optra magnum 2 L diesel. We got air bags, ABS, auto climate control, chrome all around, V kool tints all around, etc etc. I'll make a thread about it soon.

[easterncar]

Originally Posted by KPS

Hi Easterncar,

Calculations look acceptable at first glance but will need to be tweaked.

1. FE in the city for diesel will be 13 based on my past ownership of Accent CRDI and i20. Over 4 years this is a significant difference
2. The resale value of the diesel cars is substantially higher.

Cheers

True the diesel might give more in city but to make sure was considering minimum.

[KPS]

I understand that the demand for diesels are very high whilst Hyundai is producing 75% petrol ANHV's. It is expected that the waiting period for the diesels will cross 2.5 months.

[bharatbs]

Originally Posted by KPS

I understand that the demand for diesels are very high whilst Hyundai is producing 75% petrol ANHV's. It is expected that the waiting period for the diesels will cross 2.5 months.

I was quoted a waiting period of 2.5 months for the 1.6 CRDI, when I enquired last week at Trident Hyundai, Bangalore

[itwasntme]

Originally Posted by bharatbs

I was quoted a waiting period of 2.5 months for the 1.6 CRDI, when I enquired last week at Trident Hyundai, Bangalore

Checked yesterday, Advaith quoted a waiting period of 1.5 months for the base 1.6 diesel and 60 days for the SX version.

[Chrome6Boy]

Originally Posted by itwasntme

Checked yesterday, Advaith quoted a waiting period of 1.5 months for the base 1.6 diesel and 60 days for the SX version.

I was quoted 1 weeks for the 1.6 CRDi and 2 months for 1.6 CRDi SX and SX(O) by HMIL Chennai (company owned showroom). I saw a load of new Vernas (atleast 10 cars) being delivered when I visited their showroom last week. Most of them are 1.6 CRDi SX and stone beige seems to be a popular colour. Only saw one purple, didn't look too bad. In my opinion black or white would look the best.

[drivelust]

Took delivery of my Verna Fluidic 1.6 Petrol SX on 1st June (last Friday). Delivery experience was good – mine was the fourth Verna delivered by Himavasini Hyundai at Hosur (was told other three were all diesel). No freebies excepting mud-flap & mats (did ask, was told no freebies are there being new launch et al). Also the showroom manager will not let me take delivery before 4.30 pm even if I was there by 3.15 pm – something to do with auspicious timing.

My driving background:

I am in recent times become more of a Hyundai guy – I currently have Accent Petrol and Getz 1.3L Petrol (my better half’s). I am planning to convince her on taking the Accent & sell the Getz off. My options against the Verna were VW Vento and the Linea T Jet Plus - both of which I test drove to help me decide. The Vento was too noisy, the Linea T Jet Plus too expensive.

My earlier cars were Premier (in prehistoric days), Esteem 1.3L Petrol, Indigo 1.4L Petrol (I somehow am not one for Diesel high torque views; they sound too noisy however good the motor be). To convince myself about this point, I extensively test drove the Verna Fluidic 1.6L Diesel before I made up my mind (aided by the fact that the dealer is a personal friend and would let me test drive a lot), it has a great engine but still I did not like it.

Initial feedback after first few days of driving the car:

1. The engine is super silent, while in city traffic noise you almost need to look at the tacho to see if the motor is on. The pull is good, excepting in low speeds as you move up from 1st into 2nd gear after starting off from standstill. Not yet tried on highway, but pushed some on Hosur road on my way back home to Bangalore with good performance including overtaking other traffic.

2. The suspension is somewhat soft – not comparable to the European designed suspensions designed with hard drivers in mind; but feels good on most Indian city roads.

3. I have seen many complaints on the steering, but it appeared firmer than Accent’s (maybe I am lulled by driving a Hyundai too long). However, as a comparison, my Indigo did have a far firmer steering with much better feedback.

4. The goodies in the car are great – comparable to any D segment stuff on offer. In fact, other than the seat covers – there is not much accessory that you can think of fitting in.

5. The rear seat is indeed too low – I asked someone else to drive and sat there. It is like being in a well with the window line almost near ear level.

6. Hyundai should have thought of leather wrapped steering, the rubbery feel is bad and considering the steering spoke/shape (same as i20), the seat cover guy says leather wrapping is not going to work out. I plan on putting up with a slip-on steering cover – what a pity.

7. The upholstery is too light a shade of beige – almost crème. I got few stains on it from my laptop bag – they are so light that they appear to stain even if you as much as look at them cross-eyed.

8. The horn sounds too apologetic and is too soft in tone. Probably need a better hi-tone fitted.

More as I break her in….