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I dont have much experience with Etios to share. The comparison is purely based on lower end engine response and how quickly the turbo spools. Micra's shorter gear ratios makes it a great city car and not so good on highways. I am sure a Figo owner wont find much difference in terms of driveability (of Amaze) Trick is simple. Large engines with small turbo (TDCi,DCi,iDtec) MJD and CRDi 1.4 have larger turbo. Quote:
Amaze has Vento rivalling power/torque : weight. But the performance isnt Vento rivalling. We cannot even compare topend performance (I havent driven it more than 100-110 kmph) since its topspeed is limited to 140kmph. Every time I drive a Vento I can feel its much faster than dzire in every aspect. I found Amaze to be more responsive and driveable than Dzire. But nothing like 25 bhp/10 NM separating both in an open road. Brust acceleration not only makes dzire feel quick but also gives it better ingear acceleration (in 3rd and 4th gear) than Amaze which is a good thing to have on highways. Check the attached photo (at the bottom) as taken from Amaze and Dzire shootout by Autocar. Quote:
Amaze is less than 1 sec quicker than Dzire to 100. (Overdrive,Autocar,Zigwheels). Nissan Sunny has numbers as good as Amaze (both outright pace and ingear numbers). Real world fuel efficiency says Amaze is less than 1 kmpl more efficient than Dzire. (Autocar,Overdrive) I have already shared the figures earlier just for the sake of reference in the thread. Driveability I agree is the highlight. Refinement/Topspeed(if it matters to pace loving people) is a compromise. So its a fair contest. Quote:
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how about the toyota etios GSP. This version gets you the ABS and airbags too if you need a safety kit within your budget. If you have gone through reviews here, this car's 1.5L engine is supposed to have better drive ability in city and the refreshed model has better interiors with an affordable maintenance. If you are fine with liva, liva sportivo can be a choice, as now this too gets the same engine. Just my humble suggestion, Probably you might not like it at first sight, but take a test drive before ignoring a car, it might be the one what you might be looking for! |
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'Feeling' of fast comes from acceleration or 'the pull' 'Pull' comes from 'Torque per ton' at the rpm it's driven at, not 'PS per ton' Torque per ton of Swift - 181 Torque per ton of Amaze - 189 Torque per ton of Vento - 205 As can be seen Torque per ton of the Vento is 13.26% higher than that of the Swift, whereas that of the Amaze is just 4.41% higher than that of the Swift. In addition, Swift remains sluggish for the initial rpms, and then there is a sudden surge of the torque which further exaggerates the 'pull' feeling. And 8Nm difference in torque per ton will not be easily 'felt'. I have driven a Liva tuned to give 180 Nm instead of 170 and the difference in 'feel' is marginal. Quote:
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With X speed to Y speed on Z gear timings, it depends on each car's tuning and gear ratio design as to which gear will give it the best peppiness on a particular speed range. So, having X,Y and Z constant and then compare it between multiple models can never give a fair idea. Now, we'll forget all of that and just believe what they have wrote.
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Amaze accelerates better on the highways & It accelerates better on the city 140 kmph limit is something Honda has done in the best interest of the vehicle. I'm not a fan of this limit either. Quote:
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | re: Review: 1st-gen Honda Amaze (2013) I went to get my Pegasus serviced on the 8th, and requested for a drop to my hotel. Surprise, surprise! The designated driver walked over to a TD car, which was a Majestic Blue Amaze VX i-DTEC! Not only that, he put the keys in the ignition and asked me if I would like to drive, and it would be sort of like a TD. The guards happily opened the gates, and I drove on the expressway and through the city roads to my hotel, for a distance of around 12 kms. My common man impressions:- Quote:
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In real world performance where in gear acceleration is important for overtaking Amaze actually trails behind the Dzire if we go by ACI figures. In Gear -- Amaze -- Dzire 20 to 80 (3rd) -- 13.53 -- 11.80 40 to 100 (4th) -- 15.09 -- 13.71 Top speed is a compromise.. it doesn't matter if Amaze has got 100PS and 200NM it will eventually get overtaken by smaller hatches like AltoK10, AStar etc on a fourlane and they're not really far off the 0 to 100 figures either! | |
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Amaze due its higher torque should feel faster than Honda City, but thats not the case. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity in simple terms. A car with greater acceleration power will always feel fast. Torque defines the strength and Horse power defines the sprinting ability. Quote:
Thats what I mentioned in my post. Outright performance isnt too far ahead of Dzire. Quote:
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But when we compare numbers from a single author conditions will remain fairly similar. Test figures are always calculated after multiple trials and they can be refered for comparison. I would have loved to see TeamBHP reviews carrying performance figures. Quote:
- At 100 kmph Amaze is just 0.5 secs quicker.(as per ACI) - Overdrive says its 0.89 secs difference to 100. 1 second is a big difference for engines with similar specifications. Amaze's specifications suggests it should be much quicker (which it is not) Quote:
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But vtec loves being pushed because its ability to rev higher inspite of lesser torque. May point was idtec's ability as a whole and not just by comparing it with DDiS. Amaze has the capacity advantage here. Quote:
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The Swift's torque curve is too spiky, and that's the reason that you feel that huge pull. But, in reality that spike comes after too much time being in the sluggish territory. Quote:
If you ask a person to drive a car from 20 kmph to 40 kmph in whichever gear he wants on both these cars and then ensure that it accelerates fast, that makes sense. But, not on fixed gear which is preset by the reviewer. That means the reviewer is just using his previous experience with the old car to set expectations. And 20 to 80 kmph on the same gear is too tall and doesn't make sense even for quick over taking. Quote:
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> 3,000 rpms is something which is needed in just 1% of the life time of the car especially for a Diesel engine. I'm glad, Honda concentrated on the lower and mid rpm range rather than on non-practical high rpms. | ||||||||||||
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| Took a test drive of amaze yesterday along with a friend who is looking for an entry level sedan. I drive an old generation swift diesel and the amaze just didn't feel very superior in outright performance. It is slightly faster but not fast enough as the rated power figures suggest. My friend will go for it as he drives a wagon r and felt a huge difference. but I was disappointed (may be expecting too much after seeing 100bhp specs) and will not consider it for an upgrade. |
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On a Petrol engine, when you do that you get value for your effort. On a Diesel, you are wasting fuel because the torque fun is far below that rpm range. Quote:
And regarding what kind of difference the VGT brings in 1.4 D-4D increases its torque from 170 Nm ( 1800 - 2400 rpms ) to 205 Nm ( 1800 - 2800 rpms ) and a PS increase from 68 PS to 90 PS MJD increases its torque from 190 Nm to 200 Nm and a PS increase from 75 PS to 90 PS by just changing the turbo My answer was to that. My point was that I compared the Dzire Petrol with the Lancer Petrol to show the inferiority of torque curve of the Dzire. Honda vtec is not a fair comparison because it stays very close to the torque curve of Lancer over its entire rpm range. DDiS is ofcourse reliable and long lasting. But, from the experience of my friends who uses both the DDiS and Renault, the Renault's engine ( Logan ) is more reliable and hassle free than the DDiS when you run upwards of 2 Lakhs. | ||||||||
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | re: Review: 1st-gen Honda Amaze (2013) Went with a friend to Satnam Honda, Jaipur and took a TD of the Amaze. My friend currently owns a Hyundai i10 and is looking for an upgrade. He has extensively driven my swift DZire but, like many others, he hates its oddball design and hence I suggested him to go and have a look at the new offering from Honda. I had seen the amaze in flesh couple of days back and was blown away by its proportionate design. As we entered in the showroom and my friend saw the amaze, he refused to agree that it was a sub 4-metre car. Now since his monthly mileage wont exceed 700 kms, we were on a lookout for the amaze petrol. We went to a SA and asked him to show us a petrol amaze. We were told to sit down and were served tea. Being a "free day" (sunday), there were a lot of inquiries coming up for the amaze and hence all SA were quite busy. We waited for 20 mins but no one came to attend us. We understood that the dealer was a bit too flooded with inquiries and hence decided to come on any other day. Just when we were about to leave, a SA came and took us to a petrol TD vehicle. My friend was already sold after seeing the amaze's proportionate design. But things were about to change. As soon as he sat in the driver's seat, expressions changed, and he straight away started comparing the dashboard to the DZire's cabin. And yes, this is one part where the DZire easily beats its Honda counterpart. I may emphasize here that its not the quality of plastics used, but the layout of Amaze's cabin looks like it is from a lower segment. Well we both took the TD one by one and were quite happy with the engine's linear response and refinement. The clutch is very light and accompanied with sleek gearshifts and light steering, the amaze is a great car for city driving. But there was a catch here too. Once the speedo crosses 100 kmph mark, the car starts behaving abruptly. The front end becomes a bit too light and I was missing the planted feeling of my DZire. The light steering becomes much more lighter and hence it does not provide enough confidence to the driver. But if we keep these two points aside, Amaze is surely a step ahead for Honda and will indeed bring great numbers for the stable. As for my friend, he wasn't quite impressed with the Amaze and hence has not yet booked any car. |
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Also, as the previous post says, its not the plastic quality, that is far above acceptable, its just the layout and design. | |
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| re: Review: 1st-gen Honda Amaze (2013) One has to commend Honda for the 'near zero turbo lag' design. At the moment it is a Honeywell FGT so expect the new City to get a VGT with 120+ horses. Also, I expect that as they gain confidence the 2000rpm limit at static will be removed or upped, and even the upper rev limit may be relaxed, to say 4500rpm! I think these will be possible by an ECU reflash in the older cars as well. |
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