The Fiat Linea test drive thread

anachronix · 15th January 2009, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by diabloo

My post from another thread throws some insights:

ANHC has 2 MT models: E & S
Linea has 3 MT models: Active, Dynamic & Emotion

In equipment wise, ANHC E falls between Dynamic & Emotion. For comparison sake lets take it as Dynamic.

Prices in Delhi:
Linea Dynamic ( 88.2 BHP, 1368CC): Rs 6,29,972
ANHC E (115.7 BHP, 1500CC): Rs. 7,51,000

So for 1.2L more, you get close to 30BHP more, a VTEC engine, 150CC + more.

This makes ANHC VFM over Linea.

Can we have more insights on this 150CC + more thing!?

zenx · 15th January 2009, 16:30

Just the queue for the TD on a workday afternoon at Prerna Motors bodes well for the Linea's future. I'm not a Fiat fan, in fact was even skeptical about them. But this car is a great package - TD'd one this afternoon.

The car was not registered so they would not allow a long drive - but did take it for a spin on some emptyish roads inside HSR, and hit 90. They had set a "speed-reminder" or whatever that pinged at 60 and I found getting there despite the initial "feel" of sluggishness.

First up - felt quite comfortable in the seat despite it not being a low slung one like the OHC which I drive. The plastic over the headrest fouled up the inner RVM's view - and given the somewhat thick C-pillar and a quarter glass with more metal running ahead of it, rear visibility is not the best - though miles ahead of the SX4. (The OHC has spoiled me on the all-aound visibility front, I think).

The car started easily enough, and I could hear the engine - not a harsh sound at all but audible alright. (I discovered why a little later). Pushed the accelerator and it moved ahead with no rush, and till I had crossed about 2k on the tach, it kinda lazed around. However, in relation to traffic, it wasn't doing badly at all - and I guess part of the sluggish feel is the way the car moves and feels rather than the actual acceleration - because I heard the 60kmph "ping" before I thought I was doing 40. (again, my by-now 'noisy' OHC may have a role to play in this - I love the sound of the revs tho).

The car feels strong and very sure footed above 2.5k revs or so - and there's no doubts in my mind it'll do highway passes and the like very confidently. The steering and suspension are both precise enough and provide very decent feedback - and yet the ride is not hard even over potholes and oops-i-didn't-spot-that speed-breakers.

Audio system is again quite adequate for casual listening - but crank it up (which I rarely do in our car) and it starts sounding a little iffy. Interiors have a lot of great touches - at least on the Emotion version - and the switches feel decently built.

The rear seat has pretty ok legroom, and at least for my 5'7" the headroom was more than adequate. The seat did feel a trifle upright compared to my car (or was it just fresher material?) but nowhere nearly as bad as some other sedans I've TD'd (don't remember which had this issue!). Even the middle seat - despite being raised - is not too bad for the occasional 3rd person.

The boot is huge! And the top surface has no downward projections making all the space very usable.

The prices are nice - with the diesel Emotion just under 9 (minus the extended warranty) OTR. I did not check the Petrols out.

IMO, this is one awesome package. Not the fastest but more than adequate for most folks, well sorted out combination of ride/handling, good interiors, well spec'd, lotsa variants and options to keep everyone interested, and decent pricing overall.

Oh - the engine noise - the rear quarter window was broken - apparently by some stone that flew off a truck at a construction spot near Agar lake. So I guess it'll be quieter in there otherwise - though even with this it sounded nice.

I'm beginning to tihnk about upgrading

aseem · 15th January 2009, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by anachronix

Can we have more insights on this 150CC + more thing!?

City is 1.5 Ltrs as opposed to 1.35 Ltrs for Linea. It also carries Airbags and ABS as standard in all variants!

amit · 15th January 2009, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by diabloo

So for 1.2L more, you get close to 30BHP more

Linea MJD Dynamic is 7.42. ANHC E is 7.95. I believe the honda website isnt' showing the correct prices after reduction of duties. Am I correct? From what I see, you pay Rs.53,000 more and get a PETROL engine! So, I save when I buy the car and I keep saving everytime I drive and tank up.

Quote:

This makes ANHC VFM over Linea.

Linea MJD E+ is 8.35 and ANHC M/T S is 8.46. A diesel for about 11,000 less with extra features like ACC and blue&me. How is ANHC more VFM?!

phamilyman · 15th January 2009, 17:26

aseem, its 1.25L for the linea.

harry10 · 15th January 2009, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by finneyp

And where are the Fiat bashers who were compiling pages after pages against Fiat, Linea etc even without driving a Fiat car?

BTW, I will be doing a TD of Linea this weekend.

Tayal Motors Faridabad is not picking any number since yesterday and A-one motors says they will launch it tomo and TD dont know yet

Anyone know if i can take TD anywhere in Noida,Faridabad or Delhi on Sat.

anilkalvani · 15th January 2009, 17:59

just went through the Zig Wheels site, & saw the road test they have conducted for the MJD. Quite disappointing, forget the 0-100 which is 17+ secs, the 0-60 is 7.5 secs. A diesel like the Fabia too has 0-60 in 5.72 secs as per ACI Jan '08 issue & the Logan dCi (which i own incidently) takes 6.07 secs for 0-60kmph, so that shows a lot about the performance of the car. For city driving, i look our for 0-60km, 20-80 in 3rd & 40-100 on 4th gear ratio figures, can't bear the sight of autowalla's getting the better of me in stop start mumbai traffic. Here i can't see the 20-80 or 40-100. Hope i'm wronged by other road tests / actual users... But its a let down for me personally if its true! Ever since i've been hearing about the Linea's 1.4 T-Petrol with 120bhp on hand & the 90bhp MJD with 90bhp; torque 19.1kgm @ 1600~2600rpm, i cant remember which website i saw it, i was really interested in the Linea as the car looked really good in pics. Could anybody else shed some light?

Anil

sukrit7 · 15th January 2009, 18:15

That 0-100 timing seems exaggerated;gurus will share more
Wait for the petrol,i'm sure it'll have better timings.

breezydrive · 15th January 2009, 18:31

Petrol engine specs:

1.4 16v Fire
1368 cc
4-cylinders, 16 valves
Power: 90 bhp @ 5500 rpm
Torque: 94 lb ft @ 4500 rpm
Top speed: 111 mph
Acceleration 0-62 mph: 12.5 seconds
Fuel consumption:
in town: 32.5 mpg
out of town: 50.4 mpg
combined: 42.2 mpg

i.e. 0-100km/hr: 12.5 sec
& combined Fuel consumption : 14.83km/ litre

Vid6639 · 15th January 2009, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by diabloo

In equipment wise, ANHC E falls between Dynamic & Emotion. For comparison sake lets take it as Dynamic.

Prices in Delhi:
Linea Dynamic ( 88.2 BHP, 1368CC): Rs 6,29,972
ANHC E (115.7 BHP, 1500CC): Rs. 7,51,000

So for 1.2L more, you get close to 30BHP more, a VTEC engine, 150CC + more.

This makes ANHC VFM over Linea.

So now bhp is more important since the ANHC has more bhp compared to Linea. Incase of the NHC which had 77bhp and we said it was underpowered you claimed that bhp was not as important as roll on figures.

Let's have the roll on figures for the Linea MJD and the ANHC and see which has better roll on figures.

Anyone have a copy of ACI or OD lying around with the 3rd gear 20-80kmph and the 4th gear 40-100kmph.

parimal_g · 15th January 2009, 18:47

0 to 100 in 17 its too slow its not possible, Autocar says something in the region of 15 sec,These magazines people always manipulate the timings.And really in real world these figures doesnt matter much, how may times we have calculated the 0 to 100 for our car.?
The better the in gear acceleration better the drivability
I think the test driver for zig wheels must have started the car from second year

.

And no one says about Octavias Engine as Underpower for its Weight
,which is 87/88 bhp for 1350 Kgs.and that also for more than 10,00000.

parimal_g · 15th January 2009, 18:52

ACI
Car Linea
20-80 Kph 3rd gear 11.86
40-100 kph 4th gear 13.64

can any one post the ANHC figs

pmbabu · 15th January 2009, 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by vid6639

Anyone have a copy of ACI or OD lying around with the 3rd gear 20-80kmph and the 4th gear 40-100kmph.

Not sure if we can rely on ACI or OD since they seemed to have used the non-detuned engines?

harry10 · 15th January 2009, 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by parimal_g

0 to 100 in 17 its too slow its not possible, Autocar says something in the region of 15 sec,These magazines people always manipulate the timings.And really in real world these figures doesnt matter much, how may times we have calculated the 0 to 100 for our car.?
The better the in gear acceleration better the drivability
I think the test driver for zig wheels must have started the car from second year

.

And no one says about Octavias Engine as Underpower for its Weight
,which is 87/88 bhp for 1350 Kgs.and that also for more than 10,00000.

i feel the same. till date have tried 0-100 only on Swift Vdi which came around 15sec if i rem correctly.
What matters most is the overall feel of the car and features- well they already are best in segment.

joslicx · 15th January 2009, 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by harry10

i feel the same. till date have tried 0-100 only on Swift Vdi which came around 15sec if i rem correctly.
What matters most is the overall feel of the car and features- well they already are best in segment.

And to think people are berating i20 for its drivability on that thread

15th January 2009, 16:30	#77
zenx Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,164 Thanked: 162 Times View My Garage	Just the queue for the TD on a workday afternoon at Prerna Motors bodes well for the Linea's future. I'm not a Fiat fan, in fact was even skeptical about them. But this car is a great package - TD'd one this afternoon. The car was not registered so they would not allow a long drive - but did take it for a spin on some emptyish roads inside HSR, and hit 90. They had set a "speed-reminder" or whatever that pinged at 60 and I found getting there despite the initial "feel" of sluggishness. First up - felt quite comfortable in the seat despite it not being a low slung one like the OHC which I drive. The plastic over the headrest fouled up the inner RVM's view - and given the somewhat thick C-pillar and a quarter glass with more metal running ahead of it, rear visibility is not the best - though miles ahead of the SX4. (The OHC has spoiled me on the all-aound visibility front, I think). The car started easily enough, and I could hear the engine - not a harsh sound at all but audible alright. (I discovered why a little later). Pushed the accelerator and it moved ahead with no rush, and till I had crossed about 2k on the tach, it kinda lazed around. However, in relation to traffic, it wasn't doing badly at all - and I guess part of the sluggish feel is the way the car moves and feels rather than the actual acceleration - because I heard the 60kmph "ping" before I thought I was doing 40. (again, my by-now 'noisy' OHC may have a role to play in this - I love the sound of the revs tho). The car feels strong and very sure footed above 2.5k revs or so - and there's no doubts in my mind it'll do highway passes and the like very confidently. The steering and suspension are both precise enough and provide very decent feedback - and yet the ride is not hard even over potholes and oops-i-didn't-spot-that speed-breakers. Audio system is again quite adequate for casual listening - but crank it up (which I rarely do in our car) and it starts sounding a little iffy. Interiors have a lot of great touches - at least on the Emotion version - and the switches feel decently built. The rear seat has pretty ok legroom, and at least for my 5'7" the headroom was more than adequate. The seat did feel a trifle upright compared to my car (or was it just fresher material?) but nowhere nearly as bad as some other sedans I've TD'd (don't remember which had this issue!). Even the middle seat - despite being raised - is not too bad for the occasional 3rd person. The boot is huge! And the top surface has no downward projections making all the space very usable. The prices are nice - with the diesel Emotion just under 9 (minus the extended warranty) OTR. I did not check the Petrols out. IMO, this is one awesome package. Not the fastest but more than adequate for most folks, well sorted out combination of ride/handling, good interiors, well spec'd, lotsa variants and options to keep everyone interested, and decent pricing overall. Oh - the engine noise - the rear quarter window was broken - apparently by some stone that flew off a truck at a construction spot near Agar lake. So I guess it'll be quieter in there otherwise - though even with this it sounded nice. I'm beginning to tihnk about upgrading
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phamilyman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 5,975 Thanked: 4,673 Times	aseem, its 1.25L for the linea.
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15th January 2009, 17:59	#82
anilkalvani BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bandra West, Bombay Posts: 633 Thanked: 90 Times	just went through the Zig Wheels site, & saw the road test they have conducted for the MJD. Quite disappointing, forget the 0-100 which is 17+ secs, the 0-60 is 7.5 secs. A diesel like the Fabia too has 0-60 in 5.72 secs as per ACI Jan '08 issue & the Logan dCi (which i own incidently) takes 6.07 secs for 0-60kmph, so that shows a lot about the performance of the car. For city driving, i look our for 0-60km, 20-80 in 3rd & 40-100 on 4th gear ratio figures, can't bear the sight of autowalla's getting the better of me in stop start mumbai traffic. Here i can't see the 20-80 or 40-100. Hope i'm wronged by other road tests / actual users... But its a let down for me personally if its true! Ever since i've been hearing about the Linea's 1.4 T-Petrol with 120bhp on hand & the 90bhp MJD with 90bhp; torque 19.1kgm @ 1600~2600rpm, i cant remember which website i saw it, i was really interested in the Linea as the car looked really good in pics. Could anybody else shed some light? Anil Attached Thumbnails Last edited by anilkalvani : 15th January 2009 at 18:11.
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15th January 2009, 18:15	#83
sukrit7 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: delhi Posts: 747 Thanked: 333 Times	That 0-100 timing seems exaggerated;gurus will share more Wait for the petrol,i'm sure it'll have better timings.
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15th January 2009, 18:31	#84
breezydrive BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NOIDA Posts: 752 Thanked: 131 Times View My Garage	Petrol engine specs: 1.4 16v Fire 1368 cc 4-cylinders, 16 valves Power: 90 bhp @ 5500 rpm Torque: 94 lb ft @ 4500 rpm Top speed: 111 mph Acceleration 0-62 mph: 12.5 seconds Fuel consumption: in town: 32.5 mpg out of town: 50.4 mpg combined: 42.2 mpg i.e. 0-100km/hr: 12.5 sec & combined Fuel consumption : 14.83km/ litre Last edited by breezydrive : 15th January 2009 at 18:35.
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15th January 2009, 18:47	#86
parimal_g BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 442 Thanked: 278 Times View My Garage	0 to 100 in 17 its too slow its not possible, Autocar says something in the region of 15 sec,These magazines people always manipulate the timings.And really in real world these figures doesnt matter much, how may times we have calculated the 0 to 100 for our car.? The better the in gear acceleration better the drivability I think the test driver for zig wheels must have started the car from second year. And no one says about Octavias Engine as Underpower for its Weight ,which is 87/88 bhp for 1350 Kgs.and that also for more than 10,00000.
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15th January 2009, 18:52	#87
parimal_g BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 442 Thanked: 278 Times View My Garage	ACI Car Linea 20-80 Kph 3rd gear 11.86 40-100 kph 4th gear 13.64 can any one post the ANHC figs
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