[adimicra]

Originally Posted by agm

I have booked a Polo 1.6 highline(only variant) last month .On road price is 7.09L .

Where as Honda Jazz base model with all those discounts still cost 7.79 On road here in Raipur .

Hey agm, let me clarify.
In Hyderabad, the OTR price for Polo 1.6 ia approx 7.5L
For Jazz Base model, it is 8.6L
For Jazz select mode, it is 8.73L

After discounts, I was offered the Jazz select model for 8L OTR plus the freebies as mentioned earlier!
Also, add the 4 year extended warranty and 4 year roadside assistance as standard, the price difference is not very substantial.
I was actually considering the Polo 1.6 as well, but dropped the idea mainly because of the attitude of the VW dealer (the only dealer) here in Hyderabad

[Mi10]

Originally Posted by adimicra

I do not want to compare the Polo and the Jazz and start a war here but IMO, the Jazz as a package is the best hatchback in India.

Agreed, Except for the Engine

Originally Posted by adimicra

I think you got the price of the Polo 1.6 wrong, can you check once more?

Yes, i am getting the Polo 1.6 at 6.96 L OTR after Discounts whereas for Honda Jazz its 7.7 L OTR after discounts (Anniversary offer + Free Insurance + Corp Discount).

Even the Fiesta 1.6 S is coming to 7.8L after discounts.

Not comparing for the Heck of it, but just trying to tell that Honda still seems overpriced

Just my 2 cents

Peace

[adimicra]

Originally Posted by Mi10

Agreed, Except for the Engine

I hope you are talking about the Polo 1.6 and not the 3-pot 1.2! Though we do not know about the Polo 1.6 engine, but it is obviously expected to be better than that of the Jazz.

Yes, i am getting the Polo 1.6 at 6.96 L OTR after Discounts whereas for Honda Jazz its 7.7 L OTR after discounts (Anniversary offer + Free Insurance + Corp Discount).

Even the Fiesta 1.6 S is coming to 7.8L after discounts.
Not comparing for the Heck of it, but just trying to tell that Honda still seems overpriced

Just my 2 cents

Peace

I considered the Fiesta but it is does not meet my criteria - lacks space and dull interiors as well.
However, the OTR cost came around 8.4L.

I do not know for sure but the discounts for Jazz seem to be varying from one place to other. What is the onroad price of the Jazz (base and select model) and the Polo in Chennal without any discounts - I hope that will give us a clear picture.
May be you are getting discounts on the Polo, which I am not getting here!

[Mi10]

Originally Posted by adimicra

I hope you are talking about the Polo 1.6 and not the 3-pot 1.2! Though we do not know about the Polo 1.6 engine, but it is obviously expected to be better than that of the Jazz.

Nope i am comparing neither of the Polo's. My reply was a direct response to your statement "the Jazz as a package is the best hatchback in India"

Originally Posted by adimicra

I do not know for sure but the discounts for Jazz seem to be varying from one place to other. What is the onroad price of the Jazz (base and select model) and the Polo in Chennal without any discounts - I hope that will give us a clear picture.
May be you are getting discounts on the Polo, which I am not getting here!

Yes, because what Honda gives is only 55K + Insurance Free. The rest are given my dealers themselves and hence it depends from place to place.

OTR Price in Chennai - 8.39 L

I am getting 12K Corp Discount on Polo 1.6. OTR Polo 1.6 is 7.08 L

[adimicra]

Originally Posted by Mi10

Nope i am comparing neither of the Polo's. My reply was a direct response to your statement "the Jazz as a package is the best hatchback in India"

ok...but package includes everything and not just the engine. So, the statement still holds good. Mind you, the engine of the Jazz is very good if you are willing to rev it! The top end is amazing in the true Honda i-vtec fashion. I think all Honda engines including that of the Civic is not good in terms of low end response but they like to be revved hard.
I do not think we have a better engine (petrol) in hatchbacks today (if you exclude the yet-to-be-launched Polo 1.6 and the erstwhile Palio 1.6). The only engine which can be compared with the jazz is the K-series one. But it is better than the 1.2 I-vtec in low end response, the top end of the I-vtec is the best IMO. Do not get me wrong, the K-series is a very good engine and may be comparable to the 1.2 I-vtec but not significantly better IMO.
I am sure if the Swift comes with the I-vtec, it will go even faster. Note that the Jazz has almost similar acceleration times as the Swift and a higher top speed even with a heavier body.

Yes, because what Honda gives is only 55K + Insurance Free. The rest are given my dealers themselves and hence it depends from place to place.

OTR Price in Chennai - 8.39 L

I am getting 12K Corp Discount on Polo 1.6. OTR Polo 1.6 is 7.08 L

Lucky you. I never get a corporate discount anywhere
One more reason to look for a change of job

[Mi10]

Originally Posted by adimicra

Mind you, the engine of the Jazz is very good if you are willing to rev it! The top end is amazing in the true Honda i-vtec fashion. I think all Honda engines including that of the Civic is not good in terms of low end response but they like to be revved hard.

Why should i ?. For me Jazz never felt it was putting out 90 ps. Never. true, its engine is refined (probably, Honda went overboard and made it Double Refined ), but that doesn' mean that it can't show out the power.
Top end for Jazz ? i dont know the exact figure one could cross, but my samples and test drives show me that after crossing 130-135 it isn't that fast as i would have liked (from a 90 ps engine).

Originally Posted by adimicra

I do not think we have a better engine (petrol) in hatchbacks today (if you exclude the yet-to-be-launched Polo 1.6 and the erstwhile Palio 1.6). The only engine which can be compared with the jazz is the K-series one. But it is better than the 1.2 I-vtec in low end response, the top end of the I-vtec is the best IMO. Do not get me wrong, the K-series is a very good engine and may be comparable to the 1.2 I-vtec but not significantly better IMO.

Better Engine in terms of what ? Only performance? Even i if stick with 1.2 engines in India, I think K-series is one engine which comes close in achieving the Sweet spot between Performance and Mileage.

Originally Posted by adimicra

I am sure if the Swift comes with the I-vtec, it will go even faster. Note that the Jazz has almost similar acceleration times as the Swift and a higher top speed even with a heavier body.

I-vtec or not, Swift 1.2 is any day a fun car to drive than the Jazz 1.2 (ok thats based on my Test Drives). Period
Again i am stressing the point, Top end is one of the few parameters that is being abused.
For Example: What is the use, if my car's top end is 200 Km when i take half an hour to move it from 150 km ???

Saying all this, i have nothing against Jazz, infact i may end up buying one simply for the Honda badge. But its engine is not really its USP.

[adimicra]

Originally Posted by Mi10

Why should i ?. For me Jazz never felt it was putting out 90 ps. Never. true, its engine is refined (probably, Honda went overboard and made it Double Refined ), but that doesn' mean that it can't show out the power.
Top end for Jazz ? i dont know the exact figure one could cross, but my samples and test drives show me that after crossing 130-135 it isn't that fast as i would have liked (from a 90 ps engine).



Better Engine in terms of what ? Only performance? Even i if stick with 1.2 engines in India, I think K-series is one engine which comes close in achieving the Sweet spot between Performance and Mileage.




I-vtec or not, Swift 1.2 is any day a fun car to drive than the Jazz 1.2 (ok thats based on my Test Drives). Period
Again i am stressing the point, Top end is one of the few parameters that is being abused.
For Example: What is the use, if my car's top end is 200 Km when i take half an hour to move it from 150 km ???

Saying all this, i have nothing against Jazz, infact i may end up buying one simply for the Honda badge. But its engine is not really its USP.

You have your opinion but I do not agree. I think the K-series engine is very much over-rated and the fun-to-drive term is the most misused term in this forum.
If you drive a Jazz or Swift till 140 kmph, both will reach there in the same time approx. try it and see
The Jazz will have a higher top speed than the Swift.
What you feel is purely subjective just like the design of a car. Someone felt the Punto 1.4 is an absolute gem of an engine, I felt its lethargic to say the least.
We can argue but I am sure we will not reach any conclusion.

Yes, the USP of the Jazz is not the engine because it is the absolute best in some respects whereas the engine is one of the best.

If you do not believe it, that's fine. But unless you can show me some data which proves that, it is better to stop this argument.

PS - This is the first time I am hearing that the Jazz engine is not powerful enough. Yes, it may lack some of the low-end grunt which might need you to make more gearshifts. But in terms of absolute performance, it is one of the best in the segment IMO. And I can show data from several places to prove my point (Since T-Bhp reviews do not have numbers, you can pick up any auto mag of your choice and see the numbers).

[coolmel]

adimicra & mi10: Calm down guys! Lets not begin fighting alright
The Jazz and the Polo are both great cars, and the final choice depends on the buyer on what he liked in the car. For me, I didnt quite like the Polo since I am tall, the head and shoulder room wasnt adequate. Same for rear leg space and the idiotic split seats at the rear(same applies for the Swift, Ritz, Punto, i20 etc). So thats that, and this is where the Jazz took the cherry away from the rest.. The magic seats, the spacious interiors, well it counted more than the engine! i think thats one reason many are going ahead with the Jazz esp in cities.

[devarshi84]

The IVtec engine on the Jazz is one of the best 1.2 engines. No two doubts about that but that shouldn't take away the fact that the K-series engine are equally good. One of the most important factors is how the engines are utilized in the car. One can test drive ritz and Swift to see the difference.

Jazz is made for city cab forward design car and one should not expect driving dynamics similar to that of Swift. It's USP is a hassle free city car and it does its job well.


Again with Polo we cannot compare a 1.2 and a 1.6 engine. Which car to buy really depends on the needs.

[adimicra]

Originally Posted by devarshi84

The IVtec engine on the Jazz is one of the best 1.2 engines. No two doubts about that but that shouldn't take away the fact that the K-series engine are equally good. One of the most important factors is how the engines are utilized in the car. One can test drive ritz and Swift to see the difference.

Jazz is made for city cab forward design car and one should not expect driving dynamics similar to that of Swift. It's USP is a hassle free city car and it does its job well.


Again with Polo we cannot compare a 1.2 and a 1.6 engine. Which car to buy really depends on the needs.

That's exactly I was trying to say..Jazz 1.2 is a damn good engine and so is the K-series.
Swift is a car designed for driving dynamics where Jazz is not, so from a pure driving pleasure - the Swift is a better choice!
That said, the Jazz is a good handler compared to any other tall cars available in the market and it gives very good level of performance too!
For example, the I20 with the kappa engine feels sluggish and struggles at high speeds whereas the Jazz does just fine at those speeds!

[adimicra]

HI,
I am planning to get the fog lamps fitted on the Jazz (yet to be delivered).
The dealer quote 15K
I got a quote of 5.2K from outside which is claimed to be original Honda (but made in Taiwan). Anyone has got any experience on fitting the same in the Jazz? I hope that if I do not cut any wires, it will not violate any warranty.
And where is the Switch for the fog lamp located? Any pics?

[coolmel]

Infact I have asked a lot of owners why did they go for the Jazz and not the city. The surprising answer was the spacious interiors, and boot and the magic seats and those many cubbyholes making life easier. When asked of the engine, they were like, its a Honda, as good as ever. I think that says it all!

[Nitronium]

Coming from a Jazz owner, 185 kmph isn't that hard!

[adimicra]

Originally Posted by Nitronium

Coming from a Jazz owner, 185 kmph isn't that hard!

The Autocar roadtest gives the top speed of Jazz as 175 kmph - this is the true top speed. Hence my thought was that with a speedo error of 5-7%, 185-190 kmph on the speedo should be reachable - thanks for confirming that ..I am happy

just for the sake of informaiton - the true top speed of the Swift is around 165 kmph whereas the other hatchbacks are in the range of 150-155 kmph (as per Autocar).

Any information about the fog lamps?

Infact I have asked a lot of owners why did they go for the Jazz and not the city. The surprising answer was the spacious interiors, and boot and the magic seats and those many cubbyholes making life easier. When asked of the engine, they were like, its a Honda, as good as ever. I think that says it all!

Another reason from an would-be Jazz owner - the price difference between the Jazz and the city top end (with alloys) is approx 2.9L OTR (after discounts on Jazz). And I found the interiors of the Jazz better than the City and the interior space is similar with much better headroom and an airy cabin. The Jazz also scores very high on boot space (384 litres) which is comparable to many C-segment sedans (like Verna,Fiesta though the City has a bigger boot). Add to that all the tricks with the magic seat, the luggage carrying capacity of the jazz will put most sedans to shame! Yes, the city has a more powerful engine but the engine in the Jazz has more than adequate punch for me.

[Palio_2005]

Originally Posted by adimicra

HI,
I am planning to get the fog lamps fitted on the Jazz (yet to be delivered).
The dealer quote 15K
I got a quote of 5.2K from outside which is claimed to be original Honda (but made in Taiwan). Anyone has got any experience on fitting the same in the Jazz? I hope that if I do not cut any wires, it will not violate any warranty.
And where is the Switch for the fog lamp located? Any pics?

You mean the car doesn't come with fog lamps as standard

I am surprised that a car priced like Jazz doesn't have
ATC
Rear parcel tray (duhh!!!)
Alloy wheel
Illuminated window buttons
No bluetooth
no day night mirror
no driver seat height adjust
(i wonder if I left out anything)

Honda can get away with City as there's no other car in competition, but they sure have got it wrong with the Jazz. There are other cars who offer better features at lower prices...