[.anshuman]

Originally Posted by aditya116

anshuman,will changing speakers void warranty?

Term 7(c) of the Fiat warranty says:

The warranty shall cease to operate and become void if: The car has been subjected to negligence, accident, improper use, participation in motor race/rallies and/or alteration of any nature.

It also depends on the discretion of the workshop. According to my experience most workshops are lenient enough to allow such modifications unless some special circumstances arise like if you drag them to court.

[arishi1]

Originally Posted by .anshuman

Term 7(c) of the Fiat warranty says:
The warranty shall cease to operate and become void if: The car has been subjected to negligence, accident, improper use, participation in motor race/rallies and/or alteration of any nature.

It also depends on the discretion of the workshop. According to my experience most workshops are lenient enough to allow such modifications unless some special circumstances arise like if you drag them to court.

My car was rear ended by a bus, does this mean my warranty is void

[StarrySky]

I guess it only means that if you damage your car in an accident, you can't replace the damaged parts under warranty.

[.anshuman]

Originally Posted by arishi1

My car was rear ended by a bus, does this mean my warranty is void

I guess only the parts replaced due to the accident damage will be out of warranty, all other parts will continue with the warranty. I will clarify the same at my next visit to the workshop.

[ddis_dude]

@silkdrive/@b4w,

Particularly for first-time drivers/owners, I think Maruti/Hyundai is a safe choice that would help you identify when other dealers attempt to take you for a ride- just my 2c. Please do take a test drive of the 1.2 i10 as well which is what most of my friends buying their first car have mostly settled on.

No points for guessing what I'd recommend - DDiS all the way - did a cool and constant 145 for almost an hour on NH46 from Krishnagiri to Vellore on my way back from Coimbatore last week and boy is she good. There was barely a pant and she looked good for quite a bit more, but the (light) chassis and the OEM tyres spoil the party (I feel).

As most others have said on various threads - swifty has problems with rattles, but (touch-wood) that is mostly the only problem with the car.

My last service of swifty was about 5 months back and I got a call even last week (end-April) to check on if everything was OK and to check on if all the problems reported were actually fixed! That is some reassuring service. Just my 2c - not trying to sell swifty to you.

[.anshuman]

^^ Because you did 145kph is not a good reason to recommend a Swift, most cars being recommended here can do speeds upto 160kph in more stable manner. Before Swift Fanboys bomb me let me admit 'Swift is a nice car', but like all other cars its not perfect.

I have owned Both Swift and Punto, Finally i managed to drive the only diesel car in the segment i had not driven properly, I am talking about the Figo.

Punto has a 15,000kms service interval and in my close to one year and 20,000kms ownership i never had any issues with the car. Only the key was damaged during service.

I have already given the suggestions so i am not repeating them again.

[.anshuman]

My car's AC Pollen Filter was not changed during the 15,000kms service as the SA told me the filter was in very good condition and did not require to be changed.

Last month i felt the volume of air thrown to be a lot less than the peak so i decided to get it changed, i asked the SA to change the filter, he said the filter was not in stock so they cleaned it and promised to call me up as soon as the filter arrives.

Now, one month later the filter is choked again and i definitely need a new filter this time, But none of the 3 Fiat authorised workshops in Gurgaon have a single filter in stock.

A Part that is recommended by Fiat to be changed at every service takes ages to procure. Well i can wait for the Filter for a bit longer but i absolutely hate to deal with all the 3 substandard Workshops.

[nkapoor777]

^^Very surprising! I had the pollen filter changed during second service since it is mentioned in the owner's manual. Its high time you move away from these idiots and drive to Delhi. You know where!

[ddis_dude]

Originally Posted by .anshuman

^^ Because you did 145kph is not a good reason to recommend a Swift, most cars being recommended here can do speeds upto 160kph in more stable manner. Before Swift Fanboys bomb me let me admit 'Swift is a nice car', but like all other cars its not perfect.

I have owned Both Swift and Punto, Finally i managed to drive the only diesel car in the segment i had not driven properly, I am talking about the Figo.

Fair enough Anshu - point taken! To add onto your point in fact - I think the (carb) Zen had pretty good build quality and I'd have expected Maruti to better that! If only the ride improved a bit, with the handling and fun-to-drive thats already well-known - switfy would truly be a great car.

Well, we never stop hoping... Since the WagonR has just got a facelift and Maruti seems to have given a thought or 2 to the problems existing owners face - maybe a new and improved swift

[better4worse]

Originally Posted by ddis_dude

@silkdrive/@b4w,

Particularly for first-time drivers/owners, I think Maruti/Hyundai is a safe choice that would help you identify when other dealers attempt to take you for a ride- just my 2c. Please do take a test drive of the 1.2 i10 as well which is what most of my friends buying their first car have mostly settled on.

No points for guessing what I'd recommend - DDiS all the way - did a cool and constant 145 for almost an hour on NH46 from Krishnagiri to Vellore on my way back from Coimbatore last week and boy is she good. There was barely a pant and she looked good for quite a bit more, but the (light) chassis and the OEM tyres spoil the party (I feel).

As most others have said on various threads - swifty has problems with rattles, but (touch-wood) that is mostly the only problem with the car.

My last service of swifty was about 5 months back and I got a call even last week (end-April) to check on if everything was OK and to check on if all the problems reported were actually fixed! That is some reassuring service. Just my 2c - not trying to sell swifty to you.

I agree 100 % on the MS/Hyundai being better choices for first time car buyers. We have a new i10 1.2 Kappa in the extended family too on which I have personally done 2K out of the overall 3K. While the pickup damn neat, I am pretty sore with the seat ergonomics, coming from the comfy seats of Wagon R. While driving over long stretches in the i10, on a number occasions I have experienced pain in the right ankle , lower leg and thigh, something which I have not ever experienced during my WagonR years. something's just not right ! But on the whole the fit and finish of the vehicle is top notch !

By the way 100+ kms/hr on the i10 with stock tyres is a bad idea, I had a close shave on the Delhi Noida Delhi stretch when I had to brake in emergency conditions on the toll bridge and the car swayed a bit over the curved road. I had a tough time avoiding the civic and another car. Nearly had my heart in my mouth !


-B4W

Can't sell no swift no more to me ..buddy ! ..Got punto-ed a week back !

[coolboy007]

Originally Posted by .anshuman

A Part that is recommended by Fiat to be changed at every service takes ages to procure. Well i can wait for the Filter for a bit longer but i absolutely hate to deal with all the 3 substandard Workshops.

Anshuman,
I have told you before and telling again - ABS motors is the biggest crap TASS i have ever seen. Initial 1-2 experiences were too good with them but only thing i now understood is that they can just talk and do nothin - they hardly have spares in stock. Not even rear seat clip which was to be changed under warranty.

It may be a bit far for you but do try visitin TECHNO AUTO in Najafgarh. They are really good at their job and have biggest TATA workshop in North delhi. Their attitude may be a lil casual like all TASS but they are much better than ABS.

Atleast, what you tell them is somehow done. I had some issues pending and they were solved out.

My Linea even had a electronic failure (sans loose fuse which created a havoc though car was running normally), Rama didnt even check properly and told me to leave car for 2 days, TECHNO did the job in2 hours albeit with a lil FIAT help.

[krreddy]

Originally Posted by .anshuman

My car's AC Pollen Filter was not changed during the 15,000kms service as the SA told me the filter was in very good condition and did not require to be changed.

Last month i felt the volume of air thrown to be a lot less than the peak so i decided to get it changed, i asked the SA to change the filter, he said the filter was not in stock so they cleaned it and promised to call me up as soon as the filter arrives.

Now, one month later the filter is choked again and i definitely need a new filter this time, But none of the 3 Fiat authorised workshops in Gurgaon have a single filter in stock.

A Part that is recommended by Fiat to be changed at every service takes ages to procure. Well i can wait for the Filter for a bit longer but i absolutely hate to deal with all the 3 substandard Workshops.

I too had a problem with my Punto. I had recently given my car for the 15,000 KM free service, and they had promised me that they would replace the right rear door beading. It was hanging lose, but unfortunately they didn't that part in stock and the worst part is i'm on a wait list (It's 37 to be exact ). Fortunately they did replace the AC filter. They also replaced the brake pads (I though they were trying to rip me off, but for Rs 2000 i said why not).

I'll write a detailed service report soon..

[nkrishnap]

Originally Posted by krreddy

I too had a problem with my Punto. I had recently given my car for the 15,000 KM free service, and they had promised me that they would replace the right rear door beading. It was hanging lose, but unfortunately they didn't that part in stock and the worst part is i'm on a wait list (It's 37 to be exact ). Fortunately they did replace the AC filter. They also replaced the brake pads (I though they were trying to rip me off, but for Rs 2000 i said why not).

I'll write a detailed service report soon..

Quite surprised at the fact that the brake pads needs to be changed at 15000 kms. This seems to be a complete rip off. Did you get to see your old brake pads? If yes, what was the condition of wear and tear

[SilkDrive]

@ ddis_dude : Thanks for the suggestions. Good to know that you are enjoying your ddis baby so much. Boy, am I impatient for september to come, when I am planning to purchase mine.

Actually, I feel that I10 is a great city car, but is not too convincing for highways. Since 350 - 400 Km (one way) highway drives to natives once in 2 months is a requirement of mine, I have not put it in my list. If I had to purchase a car for city use only, I would have rather straight away booked the 2010 model of the Spark LTE(O) which is more VFM and better on ride quality IMO.

@.anshuman : I have test driven the polo and really liked it. The ride quality is very good and the rear seats, though a little short on leg-space, have the perfect inclination angle to make one very comfortable. I could check it out for a very short distance though and could not make much idea on the zippyness, but the difference in engine noise on the outside was really noticable, even to a newbie like me.(not sure if it was a preconcieved notion though). But overall, I liked it. Thanks for your suggestions to check it out.

I am having a tough time deciding, and have already started showing mild symptoms of insomnia. :-)

[.anshuman]

Originally Posted by nkapoor777

^^Very surprising! I had the pollen filter changed during second service since it is mentioned in the owner's manual. Its high time you move away from these idiots and drive to Delhi. You know where!

Delhi for just a pollen filter is a very painful task, this ain't no Bentley.

Originally Posted by ddis_dude

Fair enough Anshu - point taken! To add onto your point in fact - I think the (carb) Zen had pretty good build quality and I'd have expected Maruti to better that! If only the ride improved a bit, with the handling and fun-to-drive thats already well-known - switfy would truly be a great car.

I learnt driving in my Dad's 96 Zen, it was no doubt a brilliant car for that time with that gem of an Engine, great handling and AC that really worked. I loved revving the car to nuts. But the build along with the Esteem was worst ever for a Maruti, everything from dashboard to the door panels to door themselves were prone to rattle.

This was the car which taught me how to maintain a car. I would ask the car keys from my Dad on weekends to get the car serviced and maintained just because i loved to drive, now that was more than a decade ago.

Originally Posted by coolboy007

Anshuman,
I have told you before and telling again - ABS motors is the biggest crap TASS i have ever seen.

ABS is bad but Fiat is not great either as none of the 3 Dealerships- ABS, Dhingra and Delta have the part in the stock. The SA at Delta(Sec 56) told me they had ordered the part long back but the delay was from Fiat Pune.

Originally Posted by nkrishnap

Quite surprised at the fact that the brake pads needs to be changed at 15000 kms. This seems to be a complete rip off. Did you get to see your old brake pads? If yes, what was the condition of wear and tear

Brake Pads do not have specified change interval, they are recommended to be changed only when they are worn out.

My Service Advisor at Hyundai asked me to get the brake pads of my Elantra at the time of last service, i did not get them changed as i visually checked them and i felt they had a bit of life left. Now after more than 8000kms later the pads are working fine.

Originally Posted by SilkDrive

@.anshuman : I have test driven the polo and really liked it. The ride quality is very good and the rear seats, though a little short on leg-space, have the perfect inclination angle to make one very comfortable. I could check it out for a very short distance though and could not make much idea on the zippyness, but the difference in engine noise on the outside was really noticable, even to a newbie like me.(not sure if it was a preconcieved notion though). But overall, I liked it. Thanks for your suggestions to check it out.

I am having a tough time deciding, and have already started showing mild symptoms of insomnia. :-)

Please also remember both Swift DDiS and Polo TDi have a long waiting time, if you plan to buy the car sometime later, get the car booked now.