Punctures in tubeless tyres.

supremeBaleno · 3rd April 2008, 18:12

What is the amount that you guys pay for fixing a puncture (using plugs) in tubeless tyres ? We had a nail puncture recently in the Swift and the guy charged my Dad 100 bucks, which sounded too steep to me. Or is it the normal rate ?

kailashnj · 3rd April 2008, 18:28

I have also paid Rs 100 many times in last 2 yrs of usage of Tubeless tyres in mumbai. I did feel that it is steep. Last time when I went to get the punctured repaired, I bargained with the dealer and he was ready to repair the puncture for Rs80.

Try it may be you can bargain too

GTO · 3rd April 2008, 18:35

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Originally Posted by theMAG

Will these plugs/internal patches render the tyre to its earlier performance levels or should one be careful while using repaired tubeless tyres?

Mag, I remember discussing the exact same concern with a Bridgestone tyre tech. He was in favour of the plug-type repair only, and expressed his concern over the safety of patch-type repair.

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Originally Posted by supremeBaleno

What is the amount that you guys pay for fixing a puncture (using plugs) in tubeless tyres ? We had a nail puncture recently in the Swift and the guy charged my Dad 100 bucks, which sounded too steep to me. Or is it the normal rate ?

I think thats pretty much the regular rate.

tsk1979 · 3rd April 2008, 18:46

100 rupees!
I have paid 30-50rs. Big shops charge 50rs.
Fixing a puncture on a tubless tire is much simpler than the same job on a tube type tire, since it does not even involve removing the tire from the rim.
With a little practice you can do it yourself.
A kit good for fixing 20 punctures can be had for 200rs and with a few basic tools you can do it yourself.
Its a good skill to have since tubeless puncture repair is not available in many parts of the country.

rks · 3rd April 2008, 19:03

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Originally Posted by supremeBaleno

What is the amount that you guys pay for fixing a puncture (using plugs) in tubeless tyres ? We had a nail puncture recently in the Swift and the guy charged my Dad 100 bucks, which sounded too steep to me. Or is it the normal rate ?

I have had nail punctures fixed (with plug-type repair) for just Rs 50 from Unitread Tyres in Pune. My hunch is that they will charge more for patch repair, since more labour is involved (tyre will have to be deflated, remounted on to the rim after the patch and then reinflated).

In plug-type repair, I think they will charge less if tyre has not deflated to the point where it would require to be remounted on to the rim. Then they can merely remove the nail, install the plug and top up the tyre pressure. In fact they do not even need to remove the wheel, but in Unitread they do that in order to check for leaks (by immersion in water) before and after fixing the puncture.

jassi · 3rd April 2008, 19:16

tsk - is there a link with detailed steps and images explaining how to do this. I think there should be a write up in the howto/tech section of tbhp on how to fix punctures on tubeless tyres

smsrini · 3rd April 2008, 19:45

How is a sidewall puncture in a tubeless tyre repaired ? Or do you have to resort to putting tubes into the tyre to use it ?

iraghava · 3rd April 2008, 20:36

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Originally Posted by jassi

tsk - is there a link with detailed steps and images explaining how to do this. I think there should be a write up in the howto/tech section of tbhp on how to fix punctures on tubeless tyres

I'm presently working on a few related articles/pictorials, wait for them to be up & ready shortly.

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Originally Posted by smsrini

How is a sidewall puncture in a tubeless tyre repaired ? Or do you have to resort to putting tubes into the tyre to use it ?

It is advisable to replace the tyre which has a sidewall tear. You can use it by putting in a tube (depending on the severity of the cut) but if the cut is too deep, it will soon pinch the tube sooner or later & cut the tube also.

shabahmad · 27th January 2009, 12:20

Front Right tyre got punctured, as i was about to reach my destination in 2-3 mins. I continued to drive and parked my car.

Went for inspection of tyre there was a nail near the inner edge of tyre and there is not much loss of air. Thought to complete my work in 10 mins and then will replace the tyre but Air Pressure reduced very significantly in 15 mins the tyre got completely deflated, its surprising for me.

After replacement i went for tyre repair, found a 4" long nail in the tyre and it has also reached side wall. So there are 2 punctures and tyre shop told me to replace the tyre, went to another shop he told me to put a tube.

Please suggest me do i need to replace the tyre or put a tube and use is as a spare.

DieselFan · 27th January 2009, 14:43

Putting a tube in a tubeless tyre is not a good idea. if the puncture is not fixable please replace the tyre itself. Photos needed to properly comment on what needs to be done.

sgiitk · 27th January 2009, 15:01

In the 50's all cars in India came shod with tubeless tyres, and there were no repair facilities for them. So come the first pucture and a tube was put in place.

In the 70's steel belted tube less tyres could not be repaired with 'plugs'. In fact 'plugs' were supposed to be only for temporary repairs (good for say 50-80miles) on non-steel belted tyres. It is only later that the plugs developed to the point where they are the preferred way of permanently.

One major advantage in India with plugs is that they avoid the removal of tyres from the rims using often dicey manual methods where the risk of damage to the bead is very high. If tyres can be properly removed and installed then there is very little to choose between the patch and the plug.

Eddy · 27th January 2009, 16:20

What is the procedure, pros and cons of tyre "pakana" for a puncture repair of the sidewall. (was mentioned to me by a repair guy. Don't know the English term for it.)

sgiitk · 27th January 2009, 16:22

'Pakana' is hot vulcanising. never done in tubeless where chemical vulcanizing is the way.

aka_iitd · 27th January 2009, 16:28

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Originally Posted by Eddy

What is the procedure, pros and cons of tyre "pakana" for a puncture repair of the sidewall. (was mentioned to me by a repair guy. Don't know the English term for it.)

pakana is done by putting tube between two hotplates and do it. As pointed out by SG it is not done on tyre

drkumarmp · 7th June 2009, 19:14

I just purchased this Tire Repair Kit from Metro (Cash & Carry). Kanakapura, Bangalore priced at 225/-, here are its pictures.

3rd April 2008, 18:12	#46
supremeBaleno Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chennai / Kochi Posts: 5,676 Thanked: 2,920 Times View My Garage	What is the amount that you guys pay for fixing a puncture (using plugs) in tubeless tyres ? We had a nail puncture recently in the Swift and the guy charged my Dad 100 bucks, which sounded too steep to me. Or is it the normal rate ?
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kailashnj BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 967 Thanked: 384 Times	I have also paid Rs 100 many times in last 2 yrs of usage of Tubeless tyres in mumbai. I did feel that it is steep. Last time when I went to get the punctured repaired, I bargained with the dealer and he was ready to repair the puncture for Rs80. Try it may be you can bargain too
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tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,689 Thanked: 23,495 Times View My Garage	100 rupees! I have paid 30-50rs. Big shops charge 50rs. Fixing a puncture on a tubless tire is much simpler than the same job on a tube type tire, since it does not even involve removing the tire from the rim. With a little practice you can do it yourself. A kit good for fixing 20 punctures can be had for 200rs and with a few basic tools you can do it yourself. Its a good skill to have since tubeless puncture repair is not available in many parts of the country.
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jassi BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 980 Thanked: 12 Times View My Garage	tsk - is there a link with detailed steps and images explaining how to do this. I think there should be a write up in the howto/tech section of tbhp on how to fix punctures on tubeless tyres
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smsrini Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,129 Thanked: 443 Times View My Garage	How is a sidewall puncture in a tubeless tyre repaired ? Or do you have to resort to putting tubes into the tyre to use it ?
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27th January 2009, 12:20	#54
shabahmad BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 270 Thanked: 21 Times	Tubeless Tyre Double Puncture Front Right tyre got punctured, as i was about to reach my destination in 2-3 mins. I continued to drive and parked my car. Went for inspection of tyre there was a nail near the inner edge of tyre and there is not much loss of air. Thought to complete my work in 10 mins and then will replace the tyre but Air Pressure reduced very significantly in 15 mins the tyre got completely deflated, its surprising for me. After replacement i went for tyre repair, found a 4" long nail in the tyre and it has also reached side wall. So there are 2 punctures and tyre shop told me to replace the tyre, went to another shop he told me to put a tube. Please suggest me do i need to replace the tyre or put a tube and use is as a spare.
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27th January 2009, 14:43	#55
DieselFan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,584 Thanked: 260 Times	Putting a tube in a tubeless tyre is not a good idea. if the puncture is not fixable please replace the tyre itself. Photos needed to properly comment on what needs to be done.
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27th January 2009, 15:01	#56
sgiitk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,971 Thanked: 4,809 Times	In the 50's all cars in India came shod with tubeless tyres, and there were no repair facilities for them. So come the first pucture and a tube was put in place. In the 70's steel belted tube less tyres could not be repaired with 'plugs'. In fact 'plugs' were supposed to be only for temporary repairs (good for say 50-80miles) on non-steel belted tyres. It is only later that the plugs developed to the point where they are the preferred way of permanently. One major advantage in India with plugs is that they avoid the removal of tyres from the rims using often dicey manual methods where the risk of damage to the bead is very high. If tyres can be properly removed and installed then there is very little to choose between the patch and the plug.
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27th January 2009, 16:20	#57
Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 9,582 Thanked: 14,608 Times	What is the procedure, pros and cons of tyre "pakana" for a puncture repair of the sidewall. (was mentioned to me by a repair guy. Don't know the English term for it.)
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27th January 2009, 16:22	#58
sgiitk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,971 Thanked: 4,809 Times	'Pakana' is hot vulcanising. never done in tubeless where chemical vulcanizing is the way.
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drkumarmp BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 58 Thanked: 17 Times	Tubeless Tire Puncture Kit I just purchased this Tire Repair Kit from Metro (Cash & Carry). Kanakapura, Bangalore priced at 225/-, here are its pictures. Attached Thumbnails
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