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| ![]() Lovely Travencore looks great! Any others? In the late 60s I used to build slot racing cars 1/24, professionally and race them on 8 lane tracks 24 hour races etc, 2 drivers, all Can Am stuff mainly. Didn't do much for my studies but won a few trophies ![]() Last edited by Julian UK : 13th April 2008 at 01:31. |
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| ![]() Is it one of these? When I get time I’d love to build one of these Pochers, though apparently you have to redo a lot of it yourself ![]() www.pocher.net: Pocher models; exclusive Pocher model car kits scale 1/8 ![]() ![]() Don't like the wiring and the starting carburettor feed pipe is missing. ![]() I'd love to do one of these when time premits ![]() Sorry can't get rid of the double image, tried 4 times... Last edited by Julian UK : 13th April 2008 at 02:18. |
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Wish mine were one of thes ($700) Pocher kits......no they are more affordable ($25) Jo-Han and Monogram Got some pictures of the Orchha Cadillac (1/25 scale) under Cars of the Maharajas thread | |
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Did you by any chance happen to (or could you) note down the chassis # ? Any idea of the original owner ? Thanks! | |
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I bet its one of these ![]() Maharajah of Kashmir 1925 GPK 20 Eng. No. G1391 Barker Tourer Maharajah of Jaipur 1923 GAK 60 Eng. No. G902 Barker Tourer Maharajah of Jodphur 1924 GLK 21 Eng. No. G1174 Barker Tourer Maharajah of Patiala 1923 54 S1 Eng. No. G132 Barker tourer Maharajah of Udaipur 1923 42 G0 Eng. No. G121 Barker tourer 1923 64 H9 Eng. No. G349 Barker tourer Maharajah of Banswara 1925 GPK 6 Eng. No. G1337 Barker Tourer Maharajah of Nawanagar 1927 GAJ 52 Eng. No. A6A Barker Tourer Raja of Sarangarh 1923 GAK 39 Eng. No. G859 Barker Tourer Nawab of Bahawalpur 1923 81K2 Eng. No. G495 Barker Tourer Nawab of Sachin 1927 GRJ1 Eng. No. W8E Barker Tourer Nawab Moinud Dowla 1923 66 H9 Eng. No. G361 Barker Tourer Ruler of Nandgaon 1927 GAJ 19 Eng. No. E4V Barker Tourer Sir Hormasji Wadia 1923 85 K0 Eng. No. G505 Barker Tourer Col. A.B. Minchin 1925 GPK 71 Eng. No. G1368 Barker Tourer Dr. Rangachary 1923 68 H2 Eng. No. G370 Barker Tourer T.Ross 1923 72 A2 Eng. No. G365 Barker Tourer B.J. Desai 1924 GMK 5 Eng. No. G905 Barker Tourer | |
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The Sachin car is MRJ 1215, which I remember you telling me was earlier GJ something 1. Am I right? Both the above cars are featured extensively on the forum earlier. | ||
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| ![]() Rolls Royce Silver Ghosts in India Here is a list of Indian Silver Ghosts I have been able to compile: Chassis# / Year / State / Coachwork 60576 / 1907 / Gwalior / Cockshoot "Pearl of the East" ??? / "Eastern Gem" 60970 / 1909 / India / Short Chassis 1669 / 1911 / Bhopal / Landaulette (ex-Delhi Durbar) 1672 / 1911 / Hooper Landaulette (Delhi Durbar) 1683 / 1911 / Mysore / India Body / Throne Car 1948 / 1912 / Puducotta / Holmes / London-E'burgh 1958 / 1912 / Patiala / Holmes / London-E'Burgh (now owned by Michael Kadoorie) 2117 / 1912-13 / Hyderabad / Ceremonial - Throne Car 2154 / 1912 / Nabha / Barker "Taj Mahal" ??? / 1912 / Ajudhia 2366 / 1913 / India / Khan (Indian Body) 2600/ 1912-13 / India ???? / 1913 / Alwar / Regent Carriage / Saloon ???? / 1913 / Alwar / Regent Carriage / Coupe with dicky seat ???? / 1913 / Patiala / Barker or Mulliner 60-LB / 1914 / Baroda / H.J. Mulliner / State Landaulette ???? / 1919 / Patiala / Barker ? / Flared Wings & Pointed Wheel Discs 50-RE / 1920 / Jodhpur / Barker / Polished Aluminum "Ghost of India" ???? / 1920 / Ex-Viceroy & Monghyr / Silver Filigiree Work 50-UG / 1921 / Charkari / Hooper / Polished Aluminum ???? / 1921-22 / Rampur / Grosvenor Carriage / Trio of 3 cars ???? / 1921 / Rampur / Grosvenor / Cabriolet 47-AG / 1921 / Raja of Santosh / Stuarts of Calcutta / Wings modified 1930's 18-KG / 1922 / Patiala / Barker #4790 ???? / 1922 / Udaipur ???? / 1922 / Bharatpur / Vee-Front Cabriolet ???? / 1923 / Hyderabad / 76-RM / 1924 / Bhopal / Hooper # 6120 / Hunting car 70-TM / 1924 / Bahawalpur / Barker / "BWP-31" The following cars are referenced in the "History of Windovers": 107-BW / 1920 / Kashmir / Windovers 118-MG / 1921-22 / Mayurbhanj / Windovers 88-AU / 1924-25 / Kashmir / Windovers 45-EU / 1924-25 / Kolapur / Windovers Julian, any access to Silver Ghost Chassis #'s ? I am also wondering if "The Edwardian RR" by John Fasal covers the Silver Ghost |
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![]() If you have the time to wade through this lot.. there are some entries here. Silver Ghost - Chassis Register Last edited by Julian UK : 17th April 2008 at 21:55. | |
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There is also a similar site on vintage Bentleys (the real ones 1919-1931) -pretty good info on chassis # and owners - lacking on pictures for India cars www.vintagebentleys.org | |
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| ![]() Extract from Time magazine article Mon Feb 22 1937: Silver Jubilee Durbar - TIME 26-Year-Old Rolls. Attempts by correspondents to get advance stories on the Nizam's Jubilee drove them frantic as His Exalted Highness kept paring down his Durbar budget. Elephants cost a good deal more as a means of royal transportation than Rolls-Royce cars and while a lesser Indian potentate simply must ride out with elephants galore, one elephant has always seemed enough to the Nizam. (see cut below). Of late he has given careful thought to whether the World's Richest Man need ride an elephant at all. Suddenly last week the Hyderabad State Railway Shops received rush orders to spend not a penny more than $500 putting streamlined fenders on a Rolls-Royce which gives only eight miles to the gallon and so has been run but 300 miles by His Exalted Highness during its career of 26 years in Hyderabad. While putting on the streamlined fenders, Hyderabad artisans were instructed to build the centre of the body up much higher last week into a sort of throne topped by a gilt dome. In this way the Rolls was made practically as good for a parade as an elephant & howdah. Read the whole article ![]() |
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| ![]() Too late to edit/add to the last post (a little more time would be nice ![]() Nizam's Azam and Moazzam - TIME "Why do you always arrive at the Palace in a Ford?" replied, "I am afraid that His Exalted Highness might consider my Rolls Royce a present to himself." By this and other means the Nizam has acquired 400 motor cars. His favorite Rolls Royce and his private railway car are both covered with thin strips of ivory, not paint. Both have solid gold hardware. Last week the earthy Nizam bought spiritual kudos for a thumping big price which he paid for the marriage of his sons at Nice. Any experiences of this anyone? |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() Fantastic julian. Simply brilliant work to dig this out. While we knew through hearsay the RR was modified for the Silver Jubilee celebrations we now have this report. Simply fantastic. Thank you very much. Wonderful to learn this job was carried out by the Railway workshop!!! Only point to note though is, the car was finished as a throne car by Barker and this was in 1912 when it was delivered new. We have the original picture here earlier posted of the car when new (thanks to Travancore). It does all tie in though. The Nizam was frugal and he would have agreed to have the RR modified as he didn't want to spend money for a new RR Now in context of this we can imagine his horror as his elder son went ballistic ordering the most fabulous cars Duesenbergs, Mercedes SS, RR's, Bentley, Jags, Delahaye and many more. This may have been one of the many issues that set in the slow decline in their relationship leading the Nizam to eventually sidelining his son and declaring his grandson as heir apparent. Great work Julian. I will have this material used for the display. Fantastic |
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source: maybe Autolit.com ![]() Look closely at the caption for the "modified" car and you can faintly make out the word Silver (25th) Jubilee! Also quoting from "The Automobiles of the Maharajas" (page 122): "The Nizam of Hyderabad had his 1911-1912 Rolls Royce, which belonged to his father rebodied and modified with streamlined wings and modern fittings, specially for his Silver Jubilee celebrations held in 1937". It also goes on to say "However during the festivities, he himself used an ordinary Humber touring car with no pretensions to magnificence, no coat of arms, no pennant, and no room for a lackey" | |
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| ![]() Great find Travencore, a picture is worth a thousand words etc. Autolit.com seem to keep their secrets well hidden, as does chassisregister.com ![]() I am sure that there are many who might say that the present condition of the car is the most valid historical record of this car as it was altered so long ago and maybe it is better left as it is or restored to the "style" as shown in Travencore's photo as a complete restoration to its 1911/12 condition might be impractical and less worthy of preservation than the Silver Jubilee condition which at least has a great deal of genuine history associated with it despite its rather "unusual" style. Better a Silver Jubilee relic than an attempt to re-create the factory condition with possible budget limitations?? Where did they get those mudguards from? The front doors appear different in Travencore's picture from the present day photos. This car has really been through it all...in only 364 miles or so. Thank you Regards Julian UK Last edited by GTO : 19th April 2008 at 12:03. Reason: Requested |
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