Classic Rolls Royces in India

park-ward · 8th June 2008, 20:42

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Originally Posted by justrolls1

Hello,

Here are some Indian 20/25. Am I right with information s.a. chassisnumbers given?

#GBJ71 1935 20-25 Thrupp & Maberly Landaulette Maharaja of Baroda
#GLZ17 1933 20-25 Barker Sedanca de Ville Maharaja of Travancore
20-25 Curtained proceeds through a crowd with an armed escort in Jaipur

Thanks, Andre for comment about the Hathoura PII #105MW, info comes from Lawrence Dalton "the Derby Phantoms" page 242 and 298.

Henk

Henk,
The id. are correct except for the last car which is (I think) a post-1920 Silver Ghost lim dv.

Julian UK · 12th June 2008, 23:39

These are previously posted photos of RR 20hp cars, does anyone have any ideas about them or their owners as I'd like to write to them and find out the chassis numbers. Is (or was) one of these cars #64H9 1923 Barker tourer with hand control conversion for the Maharajah of Udaipur?
team-bhp.com Kolkata members, can anyone help me get in touch with Shashi Kinoria or Salu Chowdhury?? I know them both but have lost their details.

Classic Rolls Royces in India-20hp-barker-tourer-calcutta.jpg

Classic Rolls Royces in India-20hp-barker-tourer-calcutta-rally-1.jpg

Classic Rolls Royces in India-20hp-2-seater-coupe-dharmasthala-mbn258-maybe-nabha.jpg

Julian UK · 19th June 2008, 22:47

From the preceding post:
The black 20hp is 64H9 1923 Barker Barrel tourer with hand controls for The Maharajah of Udaipur. Here's a shot of the Steering wheel and dashboard. The accelerator is on the steering wheel and you can just see the hand clutch lever mounted on the gear change lever. There is also an additional brake lever for the brakes (rear only) but its out of sight.
The second photo in the last post of a blue 20hp Park Ward has identified as GCK34 1925 Arnold tourer sold to Sir Arnold Barrie.

Classic Rolls Royces in India-64h9-1923-udaipur-hand-controls-1.jpg

So the third car is still a mystery and so are these two 20/25s

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Classic Rolls Royces in India-unknown-2025-1.jpg

park-ward · 19th June 2008, 22:58

the silver/black Kellner car is not a mystery, it is GAE3.

Julian UK · 19th June 2008, 23:31

Thanks Park Ward, hopefully I expect Karl will be posting more 20/25 and 25/30 images shortly....... over to you Karl

Rehaan · 20th June 2008, 11:09

Here is one more > http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vintag...tml#post869992

The picture was probably taken in surat ?

cya
R

Julian UK · 22nd June 2008, 23:35

I see nothing written about copyright on the site this came from so the picture being in the public domain can be posted. Does anyone have any idea when the photo was taken?
The Begum of Bhopal's first car. Perhaps 1911 Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost #1620??

Classic Rolls Royces in India-1620-1911-hooper-begum-bhopal-first-car.jpg

Source Rajbhavan MP : Bhopal Photo Gallery

Julian UK · 24th June 2008, 14:44

A couple of photos of a 1929 Rolls-Royce 20/25 GWP8 in the Calcutta rally in 1985 and 1970. The photos were taken by HH Raja of Tirwa.

Classic Rolls Royces in India-gwp8-1929-2025-2-seater-cal-rally-85-taken-raja-tirwa.jpg

Classic Rolls Royces in India-gwp8-1929-2025-2-seater-cal-rally-1970-taken-raja-tirwa-1.jpg

Another photo of the Rolls-Royce Vanden Plas 25/30 GZR30.

Classic Rolls Royces in India-gzr30-vanden-plas-momen-1.jpg

Also Mr Seth’s Silver Ghost 23TG owned by The Raja of Kalsia.

Classic Rolls Royces in India-23tg-1922-p-series-hooper-tourer-raja-kalsia-d.jpg

All photos kindly provided by Mr Seth

Ceylon · 27th June 2008, 12:22

Roger OZ,

Appreciate if you will respond to the following request from Julian UK

"Regarding the Rolls-Royces in Sri lanka, any photos/chassis numbers (from the ID plates on the engine side of the firewall) or means of requesting the owners to provide any numbers/details/history would be greatly appreciated by those attempting to update the records/history of Rolls-Royces that came to South Asia."

Many thanks

Julian UK · 27th June 2008, 15:07

Roger OZ, Welcome to the forum!
Just to help with the records even just the chassis numbers of the Sri Lanka RRs would help. Any images would be wonderful. The owners and the cars whereabouts is not necessary. Would be very grateful if you could help.

karlosdeville · 27th June 2008, 18:00

MHC 707, the silver and black Kellner 20 25 has been advertised for sale in this months Autocar India.

I dont know if I had mentioned this, but I once had a 3 hour chat about this car (amongst others) with the son of a previous owner on a Bombay-Poona bus ride. His father was a well known and respected RTO, and he bought the car from a dealer in Bombay who had gotten it from one of the better known Maharajas, I forget which, in non running condition but requiring minimal work. If Im not mistaken he paid 7000 rupees for it, back in the 50s/60s. He mentioned he still treasures the Kellner plate he removed from the car before he sold it.

Julian UK · 29th June 2008, 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

MHC 707, the silver and black Kellner 20 25 has been advertised for sale in this months Autocar India. who had got it from one of the better known Maharajas, I forget which, in non running condition but requiring minimal work. If Im not mistaken he paid 7000 rupees for it,

Maybe we can trouble Park Ward for the royal history of 20/25 GAE3?
Perhaps we can club together and offer them Rs.7050....

karlosdeville · 29th June 2008, 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julian UK

Maybe we can trouble Park Ward for the royal history of 20/25 GAE3?
Perhaps we can club together and offer them Rs.7050....

I doubt they would let it go. Im told they are looking for 1.5cr for it.

Steve Stuckey · 29th June 2008, 12:07

Hi
I am new to this forum, and have been put on to it by my mate Andre Blaize in France ("ParkWard"). I am the PIII historian, living in Australia and the author of the PIII articles that appeared in the Aus club magazine "Praeclarum" (see items 145 and 248 in this thread). What I'll do is post the definitve list of the PIIIs that went to India/Pakistan, and then follow up with detailed individual histories of the cars.
Most of the sub-continental PIIIs seem to have survived, most still in India or Pakistan, even if some of them are in a pretty horrid state of repair. I'd really appreciate corresponding (on this list or off it) with people in India who know about these cars.
I also have reasonable database entries for most coachbuilt RRs.
Cheers
Steve Stuckey (phantom3)

Julian UK · 29th June 2008, 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Stuckey

Hi
I am new to this forum, and have been put on to it by my mate Andre Blaize in France ("ParkWard"). I am the PIII historian, living in Australia and the author of the PIII articles that appeared in the Aus club magazine "Praeclarum" (see items 145 and 248 in this thread). What I'll do is post the definitve list of the PIIIs that went to India/Pakistan, and then follow up with detailed individual histories of the cars.
Most of the sub-continental PIIIs seem to have survived, most still in India or Pakistan, even if some of them are in a pretty horrid state of repair. I'd really appreciate corresponding (on this list or off it) with people in India who know about these cars.
I also have reasonable database entries for most coachbuilt RRs.
Cheers
Steve Stuckey (phantom3)

Welcome to the forum Steve, your contributions will be most welcome and I hope we can reciprocate in any way we can.
Welcome aboard
Julian uk

12th June 2008, 23:39	#392
Julian UK BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 709 Thanked: 254 Times	These are previously posted photos of RR 20hp cars, does anyone have any ideas about them or their owners as I'd like to write to them and find out the chassis numbers. Is (or was) one of these cars #64H9 1923 Barker tourer with hand control conversion for the Maharajah of Udaipur? team-bhp.com Kolkata members, can anyone help me get in touch with Shashi Kinoria or Salu Chowdhury?? I know them both but have lost their details.
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19th June 2008, 22:47	#393
Julian UK BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 709 Thanked: 254 Times	From the preceding post: The black 20hp is 64H9 1923 Barker Barrel tourer with hand controls for The Maharajah of Udaipur. Here's a shot of the Steering wheel and dashboard. The accelerator is on the steering wheel and you can just see the hand clutch lever mounted on the gear change lever. There is also an additional brake lever for the brakes (rear only) but its out of sight. The second photo in the last post of a blue 20hp Park Ward has identified as GCK34 1925 Arnold tourer sold to Sir Arnold Barrie. So the third car is still a mystery and so are these two 20/25s Last edited by Julian UK : 19th June 2008 at 23:01.
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19th June 2008, 22:58	#394
park-ward BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: France Posts: 130 Thanked: 125 Times	the silver/black Kellner car is not a mystery, it is GAE3.
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19th June 2008, 23:31	#395
Julian UK BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 709 Thanked: 254 Times	Thanks Park Ward, hopefully I expect Karl will be posting more 20/25 and 25/30 images shortly....... over to you Karl
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Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 23,870 Thanked: 32,902 Times	Here is one more > http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vintag...tml#post869992 The picture was probably taken in surat ? cya R
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22nd June 2008, 23:35	#397
Julian UK BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 709 Thanked: 254 Times	I see nothing written about copyright on the site this came from so the picture being in the public domain can be posted. Does anyone have any idea when the photo was taken? The Begum of Bhopal's first car. Perhaps 1911 Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost #1620?? Source Rajbhavan MP : Bhopal Photo Gallery Last edited by Julian UK : 22nd June 2008 at 23:37.
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24th June 2008, 14:44	#398
Julian UK BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 709 Thanked: 254 Times	A couple of photos of a 1929 Rolls-Royce 20/25 GWP8 in the Calcutta rally in 1985 and 1970. The photos were taken by HH Raja of Tirwa. Another photo of the Rolls-Royce Vanden Plas 25/30 GZR30. Also Mr Seth’s Silver Ghost 23TG owned by The Raja of Kalsia. All photos kindly provided by Mr Seth
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27th June 2008, 12:22	#399
Ceylon Newbie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Colombo Posts: 11 Thanked: 6 Times	Rolls-Royce in Sri Lanka Roger OZ, Appreciate if you will respond to the following request from Julian UK "Regarding the Rolls-Royces in Sri lanka, any photos/chassis numbers (from the ID plates on the engine side of the firewall) or means of requesting the owners to provide any numbers/details/history would be greatly appreciated by those attempting to update the records/history of Rolls-Royces that came to South Asia." Many thanks
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27th June 2008, 15:07	#400
Julian UK BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 709 Thanked: 254 Times	Roger OZ, Welcome to the forum! Just to help with the records even just the chassis numbers of the Sri Lanka RRs would help. Any images would be wonderful. The owners and the cars whereabouts is not necessary. Would be very grateful if you could help.
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27th June 2008, 18:00	#401
karlosdeville Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 11,870 Thanked: 17,573 Times View My Garage	MHC 707, the silver and black Kellner 20 25 has been advertised for sale in this months Autocar India. I dont know if I had mentioned this, but I once had a 3 hour chat about this car (amongst others) with the son of a previous owner on a Bombay-Poona bus ride. His father was a well known and respected RTO, and he bought the car from a dealer in Bombay who had gotten it from one of the better known Maharajas, I forget which, in non running condition but requiring minimal work. If Im not mistaken he paid 7000 rupees for it, back in the 50s/60s. He mentioned he still treasures the Kellner plate he removed from the car before he sold it.
	() Thanks

29th June 2008, 12:07	#404
Steve Stuckey BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 137 Thanked: 260 Times	Phantom IIIs in India Hi I am new to this forum, and have been put on to it by my mate Andre Blaize in France ("ParkWard"). I am the PIII historian, living in Australia and the author of the PIII articles that appeared in the Aus club magazine "Praeclarum" (see items 145 and 248 in this thread). What I'll do is post the definitve list of the PIIIs that went to India/Pakistan, and then follow up with detailed individual histories of the cars. Most of the sub-continental PIIIs seem to have survived, most still in India or Pakistan, even if some of them are in a pretty horrid state of repair. I'd really appreciate corresponding (on this list or off it) with people in India who know about these cars. I also have reasonable database entries for most coachbuilt RRs. Cheers Steve Stuckey (phantom3)
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