Got Jeep! CJ3B Hurricane.

svsantosh · 9th April 2010, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Santhosh please guide me the direction to shop where i can pick one of these

Jaggu - cross referencing from Tejas's thread.

I got it from Car Automobiles pvt ltd. 080 - 26800037, 42591500, #3, 1st cross, journalist colony, JC Road, blore-2.

Coming in from minerva circle signal, take the 2nd left, and then 1st right - 2nd shop on left is Car Autom. Its a BIG complex and they deal in nearly ALL the Jeep/Car/LCV/HCV parts!!!

PS - Talk to Behram and likes before zeroing on the 14Lbs cap for your 'hurricane' engine. It may vary...!!

PSPS - Mine too is a TECIL branded one, I paid 125Rs for it back in Aug-09.

PAVAN KADAM · 9th April 2010, 20:53

Jaggu,

The pacco, 34 PBIC carbs are wonderful pieces, once tuned well, they never ever trouble. I am running a similar one on my Bus right now. You can also draw a return pipe very easily on this carb, without any modification.

Head gaskets are available, i had given you Ravi's number. He's the right person to procure one ASAP.

Valve door seals seems to have lost its life, i have a pair of them, please feel free to pick them from me.

No OE, but this is what i had used during the Willys MB restoration.

Why is the head not faced. If so much has been done, why not remove atleast 10 tau's of thickness, which is standard, or even a bit lesser, say around 5 tau's.

Spark plug point on the 4 cylinder looks a bit wicked to me.

The exhaust and inlet port can be polished, its a Simple DIY, gives much better idling. Good fuel flow, and unrestricted release of Exhaust gasses.

If need to know how, PM me.

Experts, your opinions please.

DHABHAR.BEHRAM · 9th April 2010, 23:43

Dear Jaggu - it is indeed nice to see a new M34PBIC after a very long time. Please use it very carefully. Please do not let anybody tamper with it. Please do not alter any original jet sizes. Please use a good packing inside the air horn which fits on top of the carburettor otherwise unfiltered air will go inside the engine and ruin it. If you want to know anything, ask me, I will guide you in totality.

Just an afterthought, my personal decision would be to source and adapt a new generation air cleaner assembly complete which will provide requisite mass flow / pressure drop characteristics. Let me see if I can recommend something and then I will remote control all your actions, sitting 1500 kms away from you.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

V-16 · 10th April 2010, 02:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM

Jaggu,
The pacco, 34 PBIC carbs are wonderful pieces, once tuned well, they never ever trouble.

Pavan the carb with Jaggu looks like an original Solex M34PBIC and not the Pacco. In the first pic you can see SOLEX.

PAVAN KADAM · 10th April 2010, 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by V-16

Pavan the carb with Jaggu looks like an original Solex M34PBIC and not the Pacco. In the first pic you can see SOLEX.

Sorry, it looked similar to the Pacco unit

V-16 · 10th April 2010, 16:24

Its quite interesting that you approve of the Pacco unit. Others have told me to stay away as its not a very good product but on the other hand i dont know if any of them have ever used it in reality. I would go with your word as you have used it. Especially since the Solex is almost extinct in Bombay. I did find a few pieces in Mayapuri with a shop. He insisted they were original NOS Solex. Was pressed for time so didt bother to check, besides i already had managed to get a Solex for me.

Jaggu · 11th April 2010, 12:06

@Santhosh: thanks I'll get to it soon
@Pavan: it's solex carbs sourced by a good friend

Gasket rings etc has been procurred. I didn't want to phase the head since I want to preserve it for a proper job later on. There is no spark plug in cylinder 4, it's iPhone cam pics, so clarity is not that great.
Valve cover gasket I'll get in touch once am back in BLR, if mech hasn't got it.
@DB: how about Bolero dry air filter unit. Do let me know am open to suggestions

slight change of plans from my side so will get to the garage only by middle of the week. Right now remote controlling from Kerala.

Jaggu · 19th April 2010, 13:16

Last 2 weeks were super busy for me, that plus out of station travel over the weekend meant the jeep work came to a stand still.

Mech had managed to get all gaskets including valve covers (Pavan thanks for the offer but didnt require it), piston rings etc. Landed up at the garage on Saturday morning and decided to crank up the work. The helper boys have gone AWOL so i took up the task of cleaning up all the bolts, covers, tappet rods, rocker arm assembly etc.

The engine had so much muck that i went

cleaned up all the accessible parts. The sump cover was removed and it revealed a layer of gunk + water plus what not. New rings were filed and put in and new gaskets and oil was poured in.

Went for lunch and when i returned i saw the Hurricane idling on new carbs and boy oh boy she is just sweet!! Both the valve covers were open so some oil had leaked out. This was cleaned up and covers put back after setting the tappets.

The engine is a real gem. All you hear is a turbine whine if you rev her up. Its difficult to make out if she is ticking at idle! And if required one can idle her really low! This without any proper tuning with a dwell meter or timing light. This i have planned to do over this weekend if possible. Sreeraj and i went for a trial run and decided to take her out of garage.

My wife had not seen DwArF since she was out of the country when i bought the jeep, and i thought it might be too risky on future plans to park it more in garage, atleast for now!

The new carb butterfly shaft and accelerator lever are not jelling well. Till 1/4 to 1/2 pedal there is no butterfly activation and even if i floor it the butterfly opens only to half. Need to shorten the last link of the pedal, this also has to be done soon, since its an issue if i do an offroad, where i need more revs. Didnt bother much since am doing an easy running-in right now.

Gear box top end has been replaced and shafts have been set, the second gear is lil tricky and the whole assembly is tight, will require some more running to loosen up. Almost all the drive line chatter has gone, and the whine is finally audible. I understand from DKG that there is nothing much one can do to kill the whine. Mech wants to set the final drive gears next time.

So the work in this phase included:

Engine- New rings, gaskets, valve setting and fixed the missing exhaust spring. No leaks so far also
Set the gearbox top half, oil leak seems to have gone, need to double check though
New carbs
New radiator top hose, this one seems to be of better quality though i need to get a set of new model types
New fan belt
Starter overhauled, UBS had asked me to check if its Lucas and it is!!
New gas tank, rather a diesel tank

Pending tasks:

Set timing and dwell etc using proper tools
New con rod bearing, thanks to gunk and usage they are weak. Need to identify the size and source the bearings. My impatience is the only reason why it was not replaced this time around
New wiring, i hate clutter and joints and have decided to do a complete job
Procure the new variety radiator hose and plug wires (preventive)
New electronic fuel pump, last one was third class stuff and conked out. Suggestion to model/make would be helpfull
Springs- This am confused since even UBS suggested a decamper to make things right. I still would prefer a complete new set
Wiper- Conked out after sometime, have to check
Wishlist- Bucket seats with belts, roll cage and tyres (i might get a spare NDMS for the time being)

Saturday night gave me an opportunity to drive in heavy thundershower and its a great feeling. Wiper was drunk and at the first traffic signal, when i gave it a rest, it decided to pass out. From then on it was just 90/100's and visibility through the earlier wiper streak, on the windshield. Surprisingly i didn't get very soaked with all that rain, and all i need to do is brake to get the windshield washed!!

Drove around 50 kms over the weekend, including a spin for the wife and my dad also decided to jump into the driver seat (he has hardly driven any vehicle in the last 10 years!). Jeep is running like a gem and shifting like a grumpy ol man.Then again the stares and questions make the travel interesting. Rudra was amused at an ex-pat downing his Civic windows and asking if it was a willys's

Will shoot the skid plates and post for Gogi soon.

Big Thanks to UBS and Gogi from DwArF's side!!

DHABHAR.BEHRAM · 19th April 2010, 17:21

Dear Jaggu - the electronic fuel pump must be "UCAL FACET" make only. A new one is difficult to find but not impossible. Do not use the filter that comes with it. Use a Purolator make carburettor suitable Maruti van fuel filter only.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

Jaggu · 19th April 2010, 18:49

Fuel filter is Maruti Van Purolator, and thank you DB will start the hunt for a UCAL pump now!

Jaggu · 20th April 2010, 13:06

As discovered at the last job the connecting rod bearings are weak and to complete the partial overhaul we need to replace the same. According to the mech its running standard connecting rod and says its of BM make (he is absolutely sure of this).

While i was reading up, i came to know that letter B might indicate its an upsize, rather than the company name.

The only way i can double check is to remove the con rod and get it measured in a lathe OR is there a make called BM? British "xxxx"???

Confused and stuck, any leads or i need to call UBS

khan_sultan · 20th April 2010, 14:58

I am just remembering the conversation we had on the day you bought the jeep: "The trouble starts now.." :-)

Call UBS. Why wait..

V-16 · 20th April 2010, 15:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Went for lunch and when i returned i saw the Hurricane idling on new carbs and boy oh boy she is just sweet!!

Sweet isnt it? i tell you im falling in love everyday i drive this thing. I have to think a name for it soon.

Quote:

Will shoot the skid plates and post for Gogi soon.

Big Thanks to UBS and Gogi from DwArF's side!!

Welcome Dwarfji.

Will wait for your pics. My mechanic has sourced one so i need to know if there are two. Im told by experts that the MM540 skid plates are a direct bolt on, should not be difficult sourcing those.

DKG · 20th April 2010, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by V-16

Sweet isnt it? i tell you im falling in love everyday i drive this thing. I have to think a name for it soon.

Its a great engine to lug at very low speeds. You can literally amble along in this car in streets. Its the ultimate cruiser !!

Jaggu · 20th April 2010, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by khan_sultan

I am just remembering the conversation we had on the day you bought the jeep: "The trouble starts now.." :-)

Call UBS. Why wait..

What trouble?

Only my work is keeping me away from breathing, or calling UBS!

Quote:

Originally Posted by V-16

Sweet isnt it? i tell you im falling in love everyday i drive this thing. I have to think a name for it soon.

Welcome Dwarfji.

Will wait for your pics. My mechanic has sourced one so i need to know if there are two. Im told by experts that the MM540 skid plates are a direct bolt on, should not be difficult sourcing those.

Really sorry will do it today, even if i have to use the flash gun! And i have asked one Psycho to chase you, regarding an elusive topic between us!

Quote:

Originally Posted by DKG

Its a great engine to lug at very low speeds. You can literally amble along in this car in streets. Its the ultimate cruiser !!

You can say that again! After hurricane i wonder why new cars are designed with so many gears?! whatever happened to simple uncomplicated way of life!

9th April 2010, 20:53	#197
PAVAN KADAM BANNED Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NAMMA BENGALURU Posts: 5,601 Thanked: 2,557 Times	Jaggu, The pacco, 34 PBIC carbs are wonderful pieces, once tuned well, they never ever trouble. I am running a similar one on my Bus right now. You can also draw a return pipe very easily on this carb, without any modification. Head gaskets are available, i had given you Ravi's number. He's the right person to procure one ASAP. Valve door seals seems to have lost its life, i have a pair of them, please feel free to pick them from me. No OE, but this is what i had used during the Willys MB restoration. Why is the head not faced. If so much has been done, why not remove atleast 10 tau's of thickness, which is standard, or even a bit lesser, say around 5 tau's. Spark plug point on the 4 cylinder looks a bit wicked to me. The exhaust and inlet port can be polished, its a Simple DIY, gives much better idling. Good fuel flow, and unrestricted release of Exhaust gasses. If need to know how, PM me. Experts, your opinions please. Last edited by PAVAN KADAM : 9th April 2010 at 21:05.
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9th April 2010, 23:43	#198
DHABHAR.BEHRAM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 3,059 Thanked: 5,408 Times	Dear Jaggu - it is indeed nice to see a new M34PBIC after a very long time. Please use it very carefully. Please do not let anybody tamper with it. Please do not alter any original jet sizes. Please use a good packing inside the air horn which fits on top of the carburettor otherwise unfiltered air will go inside the engine and ruin it. If you want to know anything, ask me, I will guide you in totality. Just an afterthought, my personal decision would be to source and adapt a new generation air cleaner assembly complete which will provide requisite mass flow / pressure drop characteristics. Let me see if I can recommend something and then I will remote control all your actions, sitting 1500 kms away from you. Best regards, Behram Dhabhar
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10th April 2010, 16:24	#201
V-16 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 4,589 Thanked: 960 Times View My Garage	Its quite interesting that you approve of the Pacco unit. Others have told me to stay away as its not a very good product but on the other hand i dont know if any of them have ever used it in reality. I would go with your word as you have used it. Especially since the Solex is almost extinct in Bombay. I did find a few pieces in Mayapuri with a shop. He insisted they were original NOS Solex. Was pressed for time so didt bother to check, besides i already had managed to get a Solex for me.
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11th April 2010, 12:06	#202
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,321 Times	@Santhosh: thanks I'll get to it soon @Pavan: it's solex carbs sourced by a good friend Gasket rings etc has been procurred. I didn't want to phase the head since I want to preserve it for a proper job later on. There is no spark plug in cylinder 4, it's iPhone cam pics, so clarity is not that great. Valve cover gasket I'll get in touch once am back in BLR, if mech hasn't got it. @DB: how about Bolero dry air filter unit. Do let me know am open to suggestions slight change of plans from my side so will get to the garage only by middle of the week. Right now remote controlling from Kerala. Last edited by Jaggu : 11th April 2010 at 12:48.
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19th April 2010, 13:16	#203
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,321 Times	DwArF's back! Last 2 weeks were super busy for me, that plus out of station travel over the weekend meant the jeep work came to a stand still. Mech had managed to get all gaskets including valve covers (Pavan thanks for the offer but didnt require it), piston rings etc. Landed up at the garage on Saturday morning and decided to crank up the work. The helper boys have gone AWOL so i took up the task of cleaning up all the bolts, covers, tappet rods, rocker arm assembly etc. The engine had so much muck that i went cleaned up all the accessible parts. The sump cover was removed and it revealed a layer of gunk + water plus what not. New rings were filed and put in and new gaskets and oil was poured in. Went for lunch and when i returned i saw the Hurricane idling on new carbs and boy oh boy she is just sweet!! Both the valve covers were open so some oil had leaked out. This was cleaned up and covers put back after setting the tappets. The engine is a real gem. All you hear is a turbine whine if you rev her up. Its difficult to make out if she is ticking at idle! And if required one can idle her really low! This without any proper tuning with a dwell meter or timing light. This i have planned to do over this weekend if possible. Sreeraj and i went for a trial run and decided to take her out of garage. My wife had not seen DwArF since she was out of the country when i bought the jeep, and i thought it might be too risky on future plans to park it more in garage, atleast for now! The new carb butterfly shaft and accelerator lever are not jelling well. Till 1/4 to 1/2 pedal there is no butterfly activation and even if i floor it the butterfly opens only to half. Need to shorten the last link of the pedal, this also has to be done soon, since its an issue if i do an offroad, where i need more revs. Didnt bother much since am doing an easy running-in right now. Gear box top end has been replaced and shafts have been set, the second gear is lil tricky and the whole assembly is tight, will require some more running to loosen up. Almost all the drive line chatter has gone, and the whine is finally audible. I understand from DKG that there is nothing much one can do to kill the whine. Mech wants to set the final drive gears next time. So the work in this phase included: Engine- New rings, gaskets, valve setting and fixed the missing exhaust spring. No leaks so far also Set the gearbox top half, oil leak seems to have gone, need to double check though New carbs New radiator top hose, this one seems to be of better quality though i need to get a set of new model types New fan belt Starter overhauled, UBS had asked me to check if its Lucas and it is!! New gas tank, rather a diesel tank Pending tasks: Set timing and dwell etc using proper tools New con rod bearing, thanks to gunk and usage they are weak. Need to identify the size and source the bearings. My impatience is the only reason why it was not replaced this time around New wiring, i hate clutter and joints and have decided to do a complete job Procure the new variety radiator hose and plug wires (preventive) New electronic fuel pump, last one was third class stuff and conked out. Suggestion to model/make would be helpfull Springs- This am confused since even UBS suggested a decamper to make things right. I still would prefer a complete new set Wiper- Conked out after sometime, have to check Wishlist- Bucket seats with belts, roll cage and tyres (i might get a spare NDMS for the time being) Saturday night gave me an opportunity to drive in heavy thundershower and its a great feeling. Wiper was drunk and at the first traffic signal, when i gave it a rest, it decided to pass out. From then on it was just 90/100's and visibility through the earlier wiper streak, on the windshield. Surprisingly i didn't get very soaked with all that rain, and all i need to do is brake to get the windshield washed!! Drove around 50 kms over the weekend, including a spin for the wife and my dad also decided to jump into the driver seat (he has hardly driven any vehicle in the last 10 years!). Jeep is running like a gem and shifting like a grumpy ol man.Then again the stares and questions make the travel interesting. Rudra was amused at an ex-pat downing his Civic windows and asking if it was a willys's Will shoot the skid plates and post for Gogi soon. Big Thanks to UBS and Gogi from DwArF's side!! Last edited by Jaggu : 19th April 2010 at 13:21.
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19th April 2010, 17:21	#204
DHABHAR.BEHRAM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 3,059 Thanked: 5,408 Times	Dear Jaggu - the electronic fuel pump must be "UCAL FACET" make only. A new one is difficult to find but not impossible. Do not use the filter that comes with it. Use a Purolator make carburettor suitable Maruti van fuel filter only. Best regards, Behram Dhabhar
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19th April 2010, 18:49	#205
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,321 Times	Fuel filter is Maruti Van Purolator, and thank you DB will start the hunt for a UCAL pump now!
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20th April 2010, 13:06	#206
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,321 Times	Connecting rod bearings? As discovered at the last job the connecting rod bearings are weak and to complete the partial overhaul we need to replace the same. According to the mech its running standard connecting rod and says its of BM make (he is absolutely sure of this). While i was reading up, i came to know that letter B might indicate its an upsize, rather than the company name. The only way i can double check is to remove the con rod and get it measured in a lathe OR is there a make called BM? British "xxxx"??? Confused and stuck, any leads or i need to call UBS
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20th April 2010, 14:58	#207
khan_sultan Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Noida/Bangalore Posts: 4,945 Thanked: 6,476 Times View My Garage	I am just remembering the conversation we had on the day you bought the jeep: "The trouble starts now.." :-) Call UBS. Why wait..
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