Head units changed & Gone mad

speedzak · 3rd July 2006, 18:56

C'mon guys,

Pl tell me if it's worthy to go for a dual SUB setup (Alpine type R 12" or type S 12" or Hertz 12") instead of my current single bandpass SUB. Those 2 subs can be powered by my current Alpine MRD-M605 Monoblock amp?

jkdas · 3rd July 2006, 19:11

whats teh sensitivity of these? Just curious

speedzak · 3rd July 2006, 19:49

ALPINE MRD-M605
Power ratings are hereby said:

250W x 1 RMS (4ohm, 12.0V, 1% THD+N)
400W x 1 RMS (2ohm, 12.0V, 1% THD+N)
400W x 1 RMS (4ohm, 14.4V, 1% THD+N)
600W x 1 RMS (2ohm, 14.4V, 1% THD+N)
Max. 1.000W x 1
Frequency Response 20Hz-20kHz (0, -1dB)
S/N Ratio 90dBA

Hope this solves your query!

kb100 · 3rd July 2006, 19:52

I think he meant the rating so the Sub.. not the amp Zak..

Any ways you got yourself an Alto... you wanna get LAUNCHED through your windshield??.. why else would you want TWO 12"rs

??

Drum roll..... and DOUBLE TWACK-CRACK-BOOM!!!.... "There goes Zak".... ... lol

speedzak · 3rd July 2006, 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by kb100

I think he meant the rating so the Sub.. not the amp Zak..

Any ways you got yourself an Alto... you wanna get LAUNCHED through your windshield??.. why else would you want TWO 12"rs

??

Drum roll..... and DOUBLE TWACK-CRACK-BOOM!!!.... "There goes Zak".... ... lol

Once this Alto withstood a crash at 80kms Head on! And the bonet was dented and grills broken etc.. No windscreen cracks, no problems to the door, even the headlamps remained unbroken!!

And you think, this thingy wont be able to handle the bass made from 2 12" type Rs?? Nay man! Those are not heavier than a ZEN colliding head on at 80Kms?? is it??

kb100 · 3rd July 2006, 20:36

you telling me!!... I cracked into a stationary Alto's rear @ 80kmph... all the Alto guy had to do was to change his bumper and rear hatch door... all over @ some 6k.. My poaah accent took a hit for 70 odd ... Including the headlight!... I know the ALTO fisrt hand!!... Which is why I said YOU launched throughthe windshield!...lol ..

I am talking about the SPL in such small confines...

navin · 3rd July 2006, 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedzak

C'mon guys,

Pl tell me if it's worthy to go for a dual SUB setup (Alpine type R 12" or type S 12" or Hertz 12") instead of my current single bandpass SUB. Those 2 subs can be powered by my current Alpine MRD-M605 Monoblock amp?

2 subs esp. sealed would offer better quality of bass than the bandpass. Your M605 should be able to run a pair Alpine or Hertz subs you mentioned.

kb100 · 4th July 2006, 01:09

and ZAk.. YOu might really want to consider the iDQ's... even from what I read they are leagues over the ALPINE R types... The R types and the X types I have heard (in Zuhiemi's Honda City)... did not like them - but that is again personal choice and acknowledge that too many variables are involved least of which is the installer's idea of ideal sound!

Anyways you gonna be around to witness this first hand right??

speedzak · 4th July 2006, 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

2 subs esp. sealed would offer better quality of bass than the bandpass. Your M605 should be able to run a pair Alpine or Hertz subs you mentioned.

Thanks NavinJi. That's so nice to hear! I'm thinking of getting it in sealed Boxes rather than a sparewheel well, Plexiglass or ported install. I think it will sound better and offer nice SQ.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kb100

you telling me!!... I cracked into a stationary Alto's rear @ 80kmph... all the Alto guy had to do was to change his bumper and rear hatch door... all over @ some 6k.. My poaah accent took a hit for 70 odd ... Including the headlight!... I know the ALTO fisrt hand!!... Which is why I said YOU launched throughthe windshield!...lol ..

Is'nt it time you get yourself an ALTO too

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Originally Posted by Kb100

the X types I have heard (in Zuhiemi's Honda City)

Zuhemi has Type Rs and not type X. And he also has a serious problem with his setup. Maybe too many speakers and too many amps. and everything not tuned well.

And here're the power ratings of typeR subs:
Model: SWR-1222D / SWR-1242D
12" (30cm) Subwoofer (2Ohm+2Ohm / 4Ohm+4Ohm)
Peak Power 1500W
RMS Power 500W
Frequency Response: 24Hz - 500kHz

BTW, my front components will be changed soon. I was thinking about Hertz. 5.25" components will be fine I think (They can be fitted without much modification too). What do you recommend?

I'm planning to move my Bandpass Sub and velocity components into a friend's car who is ready to pay me. So I'm not losing again.

I'm looking for some nice grills for SUBWOOFER. Can't find anything in this side of the world. What about the other side??

navin · 4th July 2006, 10:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedzak

And here're the power ratings of typeR subs:
Model: SWR-1222D / SWR-1242D
12" (30cm) Subwoofer (2Ohm+2Ohm / 4Ohm+4Ohm)
Peak Power 1500W
RMS Power 500W
Frequency Response: 24Hz - 500kHz
I'm looking for some nice grills for SUBWOOFER. Can't find anything in this side of the world. What about the other side??

The power ratings you mention are Thermal. Try putting 100W at 30Hz into the sub and see! :-)

As fro grills you can use a plexiglass sheet like Viper did. Pester him enough and he'll post pics.

speedzak · 5th July 2006, 02:00

But will Plexiglass make the box sound like a bandpass again?

And regarding Alpine typeR and Hertz, Which sub is the one worth killing for?? (I mean killing some green stuff, not red)

gunbir · 5th July 2006, 02:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedzak

And regarding Alpine typeR and Hertz, Which sub is the one worth killing for?? (I mean killing some green stuff, not red)

Zak, both are great subs. Different kind of sound though. I am assuming you are looking at the Hertz ES series.

The Rtypes are high excursion designs. Work well in small sealed boxes. Go quite low. But need a powerful amp as sensitivity is on the lower side (85dB). To my ears, they sound a bit "round".

The ES series is a bit cheaper. Again, work well in small sealed boxes. For better low end performance, use in a ported box. These have an overall sharp, punchy sound. And efficiency is on the higher side (97dB), so you will not need much power to get really loud.

Again, this is based on my listening experience with both subs. In the end its a matter of taste really. I suggest you listen to both...

speedzak · 5th July 2006, 03:19

Thanx GunMan!

That's a nice suggestion I think. I'll defenitely give a look to the ES series which is more cheaper and efficient. And what about SQ man? will it suffer? especially when put in ported enclosures.
I like more of sharp and punchy bass rather than smooth bass. But it should go really low too.
(Hope NavinJi is not going to hold your ears for recommending Hertz)!!

BTW, I'm still waiting for your travelling plans!! What's up man??

navin · 5th July 2006, 10:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedzak

But will Plexiglass make the box sound like a bandpass again?

i think he intends to vent the plexiglass and use it more like a grill than a box.

kb100 · 5th July 2006, 11:10

Yes SZAK... I feel you may like the sound of the ES's too..

Sure will be nice to see Zuhiemi's knowledge getting E-X-P-A-N-D-E-D ..

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speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	C'mon guys, Pl tell me if it's worthy to go for a dual SUB setup (Alpine type R 12" or type S 12" or Hertz 12") instead of my current single bandpass SUB. Those 2 subs can be powered by my current Alpine MRD-M605 Monoblock amp?
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3rd July 2006, 19:11	#122
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,687 Thanked: 1,492 Times View My Garage	whats teh sensitivity of these? Just curious
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speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	ALPINE MRD-M605 Power ratings are hereby said: 250W x 1 RMS (4ohm, 12.0V, 1% THD+N) 400W x 1 RMS (2ohm, 12.0V, 1% THD+N) 400W x 1 RMS (4ohm, 14.4V, 1% THD+N) 600W x 1 RMS (2ohm, 14.4V, 1% THD+N) Max. 1.000W x 1 Frequency Response 20Hz-20kHz (0, -1dB) S/N Ratio 90dBA Hope this solves your query!
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kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	I think he meant the rating so the Sub.. not the amp Zak.. Any ways you got yourself an Alto... you wanna get LAUNCHED through your windshield??.. why else would you want TWO 12"rs ?? Drum roll..... and DOUBLE TWACK-CRACK-BOOM!!!.... "There goes Zak".... ... lol Last edited by kb100 : 3rd July 2006 at 19:55.
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kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	you telling me!!... I cracked into a stationary Alto's rear @ 80kmph... all the Alto guy had to do was to change his bumper and rear hatch door... all over @ some 6k.. My poaah accent took a hit for 70 odd ... Including the headlight!... I know the ALTO fisrt hand!!... Which is why I said YOU launched throughthe windshield!...lol .. I am talking about the SPL in such small confines... Last edited by kb100 : 3rd July 2006 at 20:39.
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4th July 2006, 01:09	#128
kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	and ZAk.. YOu might really want to consider the iDQ's... even from what I read they are leagues over the ALPINE R types... The R types and the X types I have heard (in Zuhiemi's Honda City)... did not like them - but that is again personal choice and acknowledge that too many variables are involved least of which is the installer's idea of ideal sound! Anyways you gonna be around to witness this first hand right?? Last edited by kb100 : 4th July 2006 at 01:15.
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5th July 2006, 02:00	#131
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	But will Plexiglass make the box sound like a bandpass again? And regarding Alpine typeR and Hertz, Which sub is the one worth killing for?? (I mean killing some green stuff, not red)
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5th July 2006, 03:19	#133
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	Thanx GunMan! That's a nice suggestion I think. I'll defenitely give a look to the ES series which is more cheaper and efficient. And what about SQ man? will it suffer? especially when put in ported enclosures. I like more of sharp and punchy bass rather than smooth bass. But it should go really low too. (Hope NavinJi is not going to hold your ears for recommending Hertz)!! BTW, I'm still waiting for your travelling plans!! What's up man?? Last edited by speedzak : 5th July 2006 at 03:21.
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5th July 2006, 11:10	#135
kb100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangy Boy! Posts: 1,555 Thanked: 21 Times	Yes SZAK... I feel you may like the sound of the ES's too.. Sure will be nice to see Zuhiemi's knowledge getting E-X-P-A-N-D-E-D ..
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