Head units changed & Gone mad

speedzak · 7th July 2006, 01:32

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Originally Posted by kb100

CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE... Change everything... cables... wires... sub... speakers... HU... and then maybe.. house... wife... (... Like I might have to.... lol!)

one thing DO NOT let anyone CHANGE the fact that you DO NOT NEED a cap..

Nice one Kb! you guyz make this forum worth changing wives!

Wish! wish!! wish!!!
I'm just thinking how nice it would be if I didnt have a car! I'm not a man of home Audio! i just can't understand how people sit in the home listening to music. For me bliss is when you're cruising at a comfortable 80kmh and the scenery (in kerala we got plenty) is whizzing past you and the SUB is playing those low rhythms from a fine hand guitar! WOW!!

Now, pity! How do I miss those days! Let's blame that ALPINE HUs.
I'm doing the overhaul of cabling and start the installation from the beginning. Some times, going back to the roots may help you solve problems! Is'nt it??

BTW, what about my queries?? Please I'm still eager to clear that doubts.

And what's the real use of a Cap? How important is it?

jkdas · 7th July 2006, 07:39

Did you say caps? or just a cap? If he said caps, and if you said oh yah, I will think about it then, your seller is good. He sold one cap.

I would love to see caps in your Alto :P

navin · 7th July 2006, 09:53

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Originally Posted by speedzak

And what's the real use of a Cap? How important is it?

I have never seen a Cap solve much. Caps are supposed to store energy for use during transients but if the Caps are not refilled fast enough (poor power cables) they dont work. Now if you got good power cables you will find you rarely need caps in the first place.

So yes if you got good power cables and feel that your amp is running out of breath on a few transients by all means you a cap but a cap is not a pancea for all power ills.

speedzak · 7th July 2006, 17:52

I've seen lights fluctuating in the Palio I've posted earlier
in this thread. It has 2 subs, 2 amps, 1 farad cap, and components upfront and back. So, even a cap has'nt done it's job here I assume! Am I correct?

And regarding my LCDs, it finally came thru. But still not installed in Headrests. A corolla guy is asking for it to be done and I'm ready to wait. So. maybe in another 3-4 days I expect it to be on. BTW, any recommendation in fixing an LCD on dash (again, it'll be installed in a removable way) ? ??

jkdas · 7th July 2006, 18:31

Remember Rudra's case? His car had this fluctuating problem and it ate all our heads. He even tried a cap, an extra amp ! and in teh end! bad wiring was the culprit!

speedzak · 8th July 2006, 15:38

Sometimes, things are just not very easy to solve!
Look at my case. HUs worth almost 90k, amps 32k, speakers 20k, Sub 10k, cabling 6k. Still the sound is not right. Problem?? No idea!
Maybe it's a very small thing or maybe even bigger. Getting an ICE setup which is 100% satisfactory is hard to acheive. Only masters like GUN, JB, SAM, NAVINji etc.. are exerts in this. And they can acheive what they want from there setups.

Just wish my system come right!!! Heeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiii
Yes, I'm crying.

low_bass_makker · 8th July 2006, 15:43

Zak attack dont get furstrated. From my side just try this out once. Just temp connect the pioneer HU and try to check is every thing rest is working fine as earlier. If the sound comes out to be ok then ur 90k hu is a waste but if the sound does not comes out fine they you are in big mess of ICE.......

gunbir · 8th July 2006, 15:46

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Originally Posted by speedzak

Sometimes, things are just not very easy to solve!
Look at my case. HUs worth almost 90k, amps 32k, speakers 20k, Sub 10k, cabling 6k. Still the sound is not right. Problem?? No idea!
Maybe it's a very small thing or maybe even bigger. Getting an ICE setup which is 100% satisfactory is hard to acheive. Only masters like GUN, JB, SAM, NAVINji etc.. are exerts in this. And they can acheive what they want from there setups.

Just wish my system come right!!! Heeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiii
Yes, I'm crying.

In the words of Axl Rose... Dont cry.

We're reaching there around the 26th of July.

speedzak · 8th July 2006, 15:54

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Originally Posted by gunbir

In the words of Axl Rose... Dont cry.

We're reaching there around the 26th of July.

WOW!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!

Yes, now I'm laughing!!!

Balle balle!

speedzak · 10th July 2006, 04:09

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Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

Zak attack dont get furstrated. From my side just try this out once. Just temp connect the pioneer HU and try to check is every thing rest is working fine as earlier. If the sound comes out to be ok then ur 90k hu is a waste but if the sound does not comes out fine they you are in big mess of ICE.......

That does sound nice. Thanks for the advice bro!
I thought about this many a times. But when I heard about JB & Gunbir coming in, I just held my hand from doing it. I'm waiting now!

BTW, when the DEFEAT is put on, suddenly everything goes very down and there's hardly any bass in the system. Anybody know why??

gunbir · 10th July 2006, 10:31

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Originally Posted by speedzak

BTW, when the DEFEAT is put on, suddenly everything goes very down and there's hardly any bass in the system. Anybody know why??

DEFEAT bypasses any and all sound processing like EQ, MX, BBE etc. It just gives you the clean "unadultrated" output from your HU. In fact, if your system were tuned properly, you would have great sound with the defeat ON.

Bass&Trouble · 10th July 2006, 11:52

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Originally Posted by gunbir

DEFEAT bypasses any and all sound processing like EQ, MX, BBE etc. It just gives you the clean "unadultrated" output from your HU. In fact, if your system were tuned properly, you would have great sound with the defeat ON.

Rightly, perfect tuning would eliminate the need to use any sound processing, and likewise, if you're using speakers and amps of good quality, there should ideally be no need to apply any equalization whatsoever.

Some good brand should come out with a nice SQ head unit with a seperate power supply, transport and DAC, with just a pre-amp with no more than tone controls (actually, not even that), volume control and a minimal display. Most importantly, at an affordable price, not like the Macintosh. That would be something. Money spent only where it's required.

speedzak · 11th July 2006, 03:24

So, putting on defeat is the smart thing! Right?
Does anybody do this? Navinji! What about your alpine? Does it always have defeat on??

What about tuning the amps? What's the best tuning for a 4 channel and a monoblock?

Sorry, Gunman for jumping like this!

jkdas · 11th July 2006, 07:20

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Originally Posted by speedzak

What about tuning the amps? What's the best tuning for a 4 channel and a monoblock?

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/car-en...your-amps.html

speedzak · 12th July 2006, 16:07

Ok. This thread has gone very much selfish. Only me and my problems. Lol!!

When the components are only playing above 80hz without any lows, is it necessary that the box it sits on should be of the recommended size? Or can it be made smaller to save space?
For example if a baffle is made so that it can just hold the speaker and it's not the recommended size, will it really effect the sound?

7th July 2006, 07:39	#152
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,687 Thanked: 1,492 Times View My Garage	Did you say caps? or just a cap? If he said caps, and if you said oh yah, I will think about it then, your seller is good. He sold one cap. I would love to see caps in your Alto :P
	() Thanks

7th July 2006, 17:52	#154
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	I've seen lights fluctuating in the Palio I've posted earlier in this thread. It has 2 subs, 2 amps, 1 farad cap, and components upfront and back. So, even a cap has'nt done it's job here I assume! Am I correct? And regarding my LCDs, it finally came thru. But still not installed in Headrests. A corolla guy is asking for it to be done and I'm ready to wait. So. maybe in another 3-4 days I expect it to be on. BTW, any recommendation in fixing an LCD on dash (again, it'll be installed in a removable way) ? ??
	() Thanks

7th July 2006, 18:31	#155
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,687 Thanked: 1,492 Times View My Garage	Remember Rudra's case? His car had this fluctuating problem and it ate all our heads. He even tried a cap, an extra amp ! and in teh end! bad wiring was the culprit!
	() Thanks

8th July 2006, 15:38	#156
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	Sometimes, things are just not very easy to solve! Look at my case. HUs worth almost 90k, amps 32k, speakers 20k, Sub 10k, cabling 6k. Still the sound is not right. Problem?? No idea! Maybe it's a very small thing or maybe even bigger. Getting an ICE setup which is 100% satisfactory is hard to acheive. Only masters like GUN, JB, SAM, NAVINji etc.. are exerts in this. And they can acheive what they want from there setups. Just wish my system come right!!! Heeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiii Yes, I'm crying.
	() Thanks

8th July 2006, 15:43	#157
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,815 Thanked: 305 Times View My Garage	Zak attack dont get furstrated. From my side just try this out once. Just temp connect the pioneer HU and try to check is every thing rest is working fine as earlier. If the sound comes out to be ok then ur 90k hu is a waste but if the sound does not comes out fine they you are in big mess of ICE.......
	() Thanks

11th July 2006, 03:24	#163
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	So, putting on defeat is the smart thing! Right? Does anybody do this? Navinji! What about your alpine? Does it always have defeat on?? What about tuning the amps? What's the best tuning for a 4 channel and a monoblock? Sorry, Gunman for jumping like this!
	() Thanks

12th July 2006, 16:07	#165
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	Ok. This thread has gone very much selfish. Only me and my problems. Lol!! When the components are only playing above 80hz without any lows, is it necessary that the box it sits on should be of the recommended size? Or can it be made smaller to save space? For example if a baffle is made so that it can just hold the speaker and it's not the recommended size, will it really effect the sound?
	() Thanks