The Home Appliance thread

Sam Kapasi · 27th January 2009, 12:23

After some research and choosing between various machines, Jenny and I recently bought a Kaff dishwasher. It is made in italy and works very well. Our other choice was a Siemens.

We were able to buy Dishwasher tablets (Brand:Easy, made in UK) from Hypercity in Malad. Salt and shine liquid are available there too.

carboy · 27th January 2009, 12:25

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

After some research and choosing between various machines, Jenny and I recently bought a Kaff dishwasher. It is made in italy and works very well. Our other choice was a Siemens.

What parameters do you compare the different brands on?
How do the LG, Siemens, IFB, Haeir, Kaff differ?
Also how much did the Kaff cost?

Sam Kapasi · 27th January 2009, 12:59

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Originally Posted by carboy

What parameters do you compare the different brands on?
How do the LG, Siemens, IFB, Haeir, Kaff differ?
Also how much did the Kaff cost?

I'll let Jenny answer the rest..

We got a deal on the Kaff Dishwasher+cooking range+chimney hood. Because of that it came to 30K for the dishwasher.

appuchan · 27th January 2009, 13:10

One of my neighbor recently bought a Faber dishwasher. According to him it has the facility to remember washing cycles in the event of power failure. Not sure if that features exists in other models.

Most NRIs, when they return, would buy/bring all the equipments (Washing Machine, Vacuum cleaner, Dish Washer, MW Oven, Cloth Dryer etc) they had during their stay abroad. Difference is when they also hire at least 2 maids to operate them!

msdivy · 27th January 2009, 13:31

We were planning to buy a dishwasher few weeks back. We checked out IFB. It appears like a younger sibling of a Washing Machine. We had few questions. The showroom person has no clue:

1. Doesn't it take a while to carefully load the utensils into the dishwasher? How much time does it take actually?
2. Can it do a quick 1 or 2 vessel wash?

carboy · 27th January 2009, 13:41

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Originally Posted by msdivy

We were planning to buy a dishwasher few weeks back. We checked out IFB. It appears like a younger sibling of a Washing Machine. We had few questions. The showroom person has no clue:
1. Doesn't it take a while to carefully load the utensils into the dishwasher? How much time does it take actually?

Used a dishwasher for close to 6 years. Mostly the wife loaded it, but I have also loaded it occasionally.
Shouldn't take more than 5-10 minutes. Also, you should keep the vessel under running water for a couple of seconds before loading it.

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Originally Posted by msdivy

2. Can it do a quick 1 or 2 vessel wash?

You can do a 1-2 vessel wash - but it won't be quick. For 1-2 vessels, it would probably always make sense to hand wash it.

I have another question. Is the dishwasher just kept on the floor, or did you have to do some special thing to make
sure it doesn't shake/fall etC?

zenx · 27th January 2009, 15:08

Our Electrolux has served us well over 8 years already - with regular water. It does have an inbuilt heater and softener (using the salt). We've needed to repair it once - a pump repair job.

We designed the kitchen such that it fit under the counter next to the sink unit - so immediately after rinsing we can easily load it with dishes - saves a lot of effort. I believe Siemens and IFB have similar models - and these are plenty big - it serves us well for a full days worth of dishes for a family of four (we cook once a day, and mostly reheat at night, except for rice) Its a lifesaver when there's parties at home (8-15 ppl more) and there's lots more crockery taken out.

We use a Delhi brand - Chemsynth - for the detergent+salt and its available in a few stores around most of the year (so yeah, there's a bit of hoarding involved

)

Most stuff we use at home had survived the dishwasher pretty well. A few glasses crack quicker, and the Hawkins Futuras stain (says the wife, at least). I'm the expert at maximising the load and can do it in under 10 minutes after a really large pileup of dishes!

sgiitk · 27th January 2009, 15:16

@carboy: As for the washing powder we had no options. Dishwasher consumables were just not available that time (at least not in Kanpur). The powder we used was a low foam one suited for front loading washing machines.

Salt is supposed to be kept full all the time. (The float rises up once the salt is near exhaustion). The water softener is a must for keeping the nozzles clean and also for the Permutit process which the dishwashers use for water softening.

Water hardness is used to set the dozer for the shine. At a low setting (soft water) you need far less of it.

bhp1 · 27th January 2009, 17:54

IFB dishwashers are good, they offer 2 models: Zypher & other one I've forgotten.
Difference is that one is digital & other is a manual unit.
Costs start from ~ 20k & go to 25k.

carboy · 27th January 2009, 20:28

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Originally Posted by sgiitk

Water hardness is used to set the dozer for the shine.

I don't understand what this sentence means?
What's shine?
What's dozer?

I have used Dishwashers for 6 years in the US. The only this I ever
used with it was a dishwasher detergent. Not a single extra thing.

I am confused as to what all these extra stuff is?

manu7781 · 27th January 2009, 20:35

I have faber dishwasher.. but we havent used it till now since we are not finding its washing liquid.. searched Bigbazar/spencer but no luck. Can someone using DW in gurgaon tell me where I can source dishwasher liquid.

Sam Kapasi · 28th January 2009, 00:45

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Originally Posted by manu7781

I have faber dishwasher.. but we havent used it till now since we are not finding its washing liquid.. searched Bigbazar/spencer but no luck. Can someone using DW in gurgaon tell me where I can source dishwasher liquid.

There are 2 types of dishwasher detergent. Tablets and powder. Both can be used with equally good results.
In India there are a few companies (very few) that manufacture Dishwasher Powder (nobody makes tablets in India)
There are however 2 foreign companies that sell dishwasher stuff officially in India:
Finish, also called Calgonit in some european countries - makes dishwasher powder (called powerball), salt and shine liquid. Manufactured by the famous Reckitt-Beckinser, you can find it with premium RB delaers, including Big Bazaar. If BB do not have it, you can request them to order, or call the RB office in your area(head office in Gurgaon) and ask for the sales officer, who will happily inform you which dealers keep stock (exactly what I did)

The other choice is dishwasher tablets/liquid/salt from a company called EASY from the UK, also sold in India. About 235/- for 13 tablets (1 tablet for 1 wash) - we found this very expensive considering the same is available in Europe at less than a third of the price.

By the way, the company that sold you the dishwasher in India is obliged to help you source the detergent. Call them.

To answer someone else on this thread: The shine liquid is optional and adds a nice gloss to your crockery (makes no difference if you intend to put steel tapelis inside lol)
The salt is not optional and most good machines have an indicator to show that the salt is running low. The salt softens the water and prevents the formation of lime deposits and scales on the dishes and inside the machine.

Whileit is called salt, it is not the regular salt we put in out food.

aah78 · 28th January 2009, 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by carboy

What's shine?

I have used Dishwashers for 6 years in the US. The only this I ever
used with it was a dishwasher detergent. Not a single extra thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

To answer someone else on this thread: The shine liquid is optional and adds a nice gloss to your crockery (makes no difference if you intend to put steel tapelis inside lol)

Ever noticed the JetDry Rinse bottle when you went to shop for supplies in the neighbourhood grocery store? That's your "shine".
Alternatively, white vinegar works just as well.

Vid6639 · 28th January 2009, 01:12

@ Ajmat, which model of IFB do you have? There are 2 Zephyr and Neptune. One costs 22K and the 26K.

I have a bosch DW since 1995 that finally passed away last year. Looking for a replacement. Warranty wise found IFB to be the best but quality wise Siemens is leagues ahead.

After a bit of research found out that the Siemens and IFB both are imported from Turkey and use Bosch parts inside.

Sam how is the Kaff cleaning wise? Never heard of Kaff DW.

In Bangalore detergent, rinse aid liquid and the salt is not really an issue although it was difficult 4-5 years back.

tsk1979 · 28th January 2009, 02:52

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Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,935 Thanked: 2,483 Times View My Garage	After some research and choosing between various machines, Jenny and I recently bought a Kaff dishwasher. It is made in italy and works very well. Our other choice was a Siemens. We were able to buy Dishwasher tablets (Brand:Easy, made in UK) from Hypercity in Malad. Salt and shine liquid are available there too. Last edited by Sam Kapasi : 27th January 2009 at 12:26.
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appuchan BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bangy Posts: 644 Thanked: 27 Times	One of my neighbor recently bought a Faber dishwasher. According to him it has the facility to remember washing cycles in the event of power failure. Not sure if that features exists in other models. Most NRIs, when they return, would buy/bring all the equipments (Washing Machine, Vacuum cleaner, Dish Washer, MW Oven, Cloth Dryer etc) they had during their stay abroad. Difference is when they also hire at least 2 maids to operate them! Last edited by appuchan : 27th January 2009 at 13:12.
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msdivy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,881 Thanked: 3,072 Times	We were planning to buy a dishwasher few weeks back. We checked out IFB. It appears like a younger sibling of a Washing Machine. We had few questions. The showroom person has no clue: 1. Doesn't it take a while to carefully load the utensils into the dishwasher? How much time does it take actually? 2. Can it do a quick 1 or 2 vessel wash?
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zenx Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,164 Thanked: 162 Times View My Garage	Our Electrolux has served us well over 8 years already - with regular water. It does have an inbuilt heater and softener (using the salt). We've needed to repair it once - a pump repair job. We designed the kitchen such that it fit under the counter next to the sink unit - so immediately after rinsing we can easily load it with dishes - saves a lot of effort. I believe Siemens and IFB have similar models - and these are plenty big - it serves us well for a full days worth of dishes for a family of four (we cook once a day, and mostly reheat at night, except for rice) Its a lifesaver when there's parties at home (8-15 ppl more) and there's lots more crockery taken out. We use a Delhi brand - Chemsynth - for the detergent+salt and its available in a few stores around most of the year (so yeah, there's a bit of hoarding involved ) Most stuff we use at home had survived the dishwasher pretty well. A few glasses crack quicker, and the Hawkins Futuras stain (says the wife, at least). I'm the expert at maximising the load and can do it in under 10 minutes after a really large pileup of dishes!
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sgiitk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,971 Thanked: 4,809 Times	@carboy: As for the washing powder we had no options. Dishwasher consumables were just not available that time (at least not in Kanpur). The powder we used was a low foam one suited for front loading washing machines. Salt is supposed to be kept full all the time. (The float rises up once the salt is near exhaustion). The water softener is a must for keeping the nozzles clean and also for the Permutit process which the dishwashers use for water softening. Water hardness is used to set the dozer for the shine. At a low setting (soft water) you need far less of it.
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bhp1 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NA Posts: 513 Thanked: 5 Times	IFB dishwashers are good, they offer 2 models: Zypher & other one I've forgotten. Difference is that one is digital & other is a manual unit. Costs start from ~ 20k & go to 25k.
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manu7781 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: delhi Posts: 117 Thanked: 7 Times	I have faber dishwasher.. but we havent used it till now since we are not finding its washing liquid.. searched Bigbazar/spencer but no luck. Can someone using DW in gurgaon tell me where I can source dishwasher liquid.
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Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,692 Thanked: 44,182 Times View My Garage	@ Ajmat, which model of IFB do you have? There are 2 Zephyr and Neptune. One costs 22K and the 26K. I have a bosch DW since 1995 that finally passed away last year. Looking for a replacement. Warranty wise found IFB to be the best but quality wise Siemens is leagues ahead. After a bit of research found out that the Siemens and IFB both are imported from Turkey and use Bosch parts inside. Sam how is the Kaff cleaning wise? Never heard of Kaff DW. In Bangalore detergent, rinse aid liquid and the salt is not really an issue although it was difficult 4-5 years back.
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