26th October 2011, 15:11 | #256 | |
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People tend to associate reliability with number of KM covered. Outside India, with lack of dust and all, it is easy to add number of KM. In India, it is a different story with potholes, rain, dust and God knows what else. I have a 16 years old Esteem, bought 2nd hand. It was made to carry heavy industrial goods, was thoroughly abused and never taken to a service center. Yet it performed so flawlessly, no rattling or whatsoever. It was only because its carburetor started giving problem and I didn't want to drive around in a 16 year old car so I got a new car. I still have not sold my Esteem. I still dream of getting minor things fixed and take it out for a spin again Last edited by DevilsCry : 26th October 2011 at 15:19. Reason: adding one more line | |
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26th October 2011, 15:20 | #257 | |
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Lets focus on the car on hand from now on and avoid bringing in other manufacturers. | |
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26th October 2011, 17:42 | #259 | ||
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All the ownership threads on the forum including the extensive review by the mods inculding GTO didn't find such an issue. Quote:
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26th October 2011, 18:22 | #260 |
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| Re: Frustrated Etios owner places Ad with complaints I had been contemplating buying a Honda Jazz to replace my 2002 Alto-VX (Maruti discontinued the model long ago,it was the Alto with the Wagon R engine, though now they have the Alto-10K as a replacement). Since lot of anecdotal information is being quoted regarding Maruti car rattling and reliability(or lack thereof relative to Toyota and Honda), the car has done 60 K kms in 9 years, and no rattles till now.No major changes to any component except front axle bearings (CV Joints?) which I remember doing on my previous M-800 too(and that car was very rattly in just 6 years and 50 K) and just one Battery and Tyre set change. I commute to work on my Bicycle and my yearly driving is now down to 3 K last year, of which 1.8 Km was on drives to Pondicherry/Ooty. Hence I was looking at a nice roomy petrol hatch which can carry a bike inside it if needed, and the Jazz fit the bill perfectly. Since the Honda Jazz waiting period seems to be increasing exponentially (maybe they use the same estimate algorithm as the Microsoft File transfer algo ;-) ), I started looking at alternatives, the Petrol Etios being one. I test drove the Petrol Etios , and the ride quality (in terms of absorbing potholes, negotiating speedbreakers) and the torque ( experienced from the pulling power in start stop traffic) was definitely an improvement over the family Honda city I had driven over to the dealership in. Noise/vibration was definitely higher than the Honda city. After tracking this thread, I actually went into the Etios facebook page, All the Etios reviews in Team-Bhp and a few other forums. I also spoke to one Etios owner that I know personally. The two BIG concerns the owner had (and I see this theme on almost all forums) 1 Fuel Efficiency is very low- Most owners are reporting well below the ARAI figures--upto 50% lower. We all take ARAI figures with a pinch of salt, but such a huge difference is not easy to explain--on my Alto and other family Hondas , the FE is within a 20% band lower than ARAI quoted figures. 2 Vibration- This is physical vibration in the car, looks like damping is not proper. I am not referring to High speed tyre/engine noise which I can understand/live with. I also read some reports that FE and Vibration are in a trade off zone--if you set the Idle speed lower, the FE goes up, but induces unacceptable vibration, tuning it higher reduces the FE. Petrol Etios owners who are reading this thread, can they please comment on these two factors ? Also any pointers to alternative cars given my low driving amounts and need to carry a bike ? The Upcoming Maruti Ertiga, Renault Duster seem like possibilities, but are too far off. |
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26th October 2011, 18:54 | #261 |
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I think you can also take a look at the Manza and Verito. Post the query in the what car section and also elaborate on your requirements including the budget. I am sure you will find many options to choose from. Happy car hunting and buying. |
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26th October 2011, 21:49 | #262 |
Senior - BHPian | Re: Frustrated Etios owner places Ad with complaints Dr Mohitg, you say you own an Innova. So no point argueing with you. You will never accept it. But I would reiterate, Scorpio IS better than Innova in all aspects. Infinitely better looks, lesser price, more powerful, higher top speed and better acceleration. Ok, I am not sure about FE. Innova may be a bit better here but Scorp won't be much off mark either. To me Innova means taxi or a big delievry van. Innova fans may be up in arms but I do not have to agree with them, do I? BTW, why do you try so hard to keep the Toyota flag flying. I own a Lancer and an A-Star but I do not say Lancer is the best sedan or A-Star is the best hatch. I own cars; not a stake in Mitsu or Suzuki, so why should I be killing myself argueing with everyone and trying to prove that they are the best. |
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P.S. I have owned M800 for 15 years! Actually speaking, what really are the major quality niggles with Etios?! The thread title is getting way too misleading! Last edited by RadiantKarma : 26th October 2011 at 22:51. | |||
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Looks: Subjective so that should never be a criterion in comparing cars. Powerful and speed: I don't have the figures but I will still take your word for it. I myself am not comfortable taking my Innova above 100 on highways. Now where the Innova scores: Driveability: Definitely ahead. Scorpio has a very hard drive with very hard gears. I have driven one and thats my impression of it. Innova is extremely car like and you don't realise the size of the car while driving. Seating: Has the best seats to seat 8 people in comfort. Even the last seat is good and better then any other car's including those above 20L. Reliability: 80k kms and no niggles/rattles/or whatever they are called. Quote:
I have no interest in the car itself. But I will feel bad if someone looking for a Etios comes on this thread and gets a false impression about it when no such niggles exist. I neevr said its the best car or any of the ones I own. They are good if they suit your requirements. There can never be just 1 car which suits everyone right? Last edited by drmohitg : 27th October 2011 at 00:28. | ||
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What DevilsCry has written in his above mentioned post is the reason that this 'ugly' will continue to be much written about! Quote:
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I get mileage of ~13 in the city with normal driving and AC on. Mild vibrations - only at idle - (marginally higher than that in the City) bother me a bit. But my wife keeps telling that I am too sensitive and she can't even detect the vibrations! And no, you cannot trade-off between the vibrations and FE at your will. The fuel injector setting is ECU driven and you've got to take what Toyota offers. For more details, pl. do create a separate car search thread. | |||
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27th October 2011, 17:34 | #266 |
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| Re: Frustrated Etios owner places Ad with complaints One of my relatives has a petrol Etios , and he found no problem in it . I also drove the car for 10 minutes or so , below are things which i felt about the Etios . - Engine is refined , no vibrations at all on low speed and as well as on idle - Seats are very comfortable - Very good and chunky steering to hold - Gearshift are smooth - Lot of leg space for front and for rear passengers as well He told me that he is getting 14 km/ltr average in local i.e Faridabad to New Delhi and he is doing up down daily on an average . He did one long route as well to Agra and got an average of 22 km/ltr . Last edited by Safari_Beast : 27th October 2011 at 17:35. Reason: spelling mistake |
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Actually my 11 years old wagon R is very much silent as compared to latest technology of Toyota ETIOS. This is shameful for the Toyota ETIOS engineering team. I want Toyota to understand that we Indians understand Quality and want the full value for our hard earned money. Quote:
I respect your individuality and expect the same in return. I would request you to refrain from using non respectful language. I am here only to discuss the problems being faced as an ETIOS owner. I do not have anything personal with you. I am here for a purpose to voice my issues. If you have any ETIOS issue join my voice or else you can voice your concerns without passing remarks on me. Let me again reiterate that I have spent my hard earned money for buying this Toyota ETIOS and I have all the right to share my experiences. Toyota ETIOS has the design flaw of missing weather gaskets because the design was copied from Mahindra Renault Logan which has a modification in doors to accommodate the use of half weather gaskets. But in Toyota ETIOS, the Toyota ETIOS Engineers missed the catch and copied the design from Logan and also missed the crucial weather gaskets. It becomes very embarrassing to invite someone in my car and you find the doors are all dirty because of missing gasket. It becomes a big humiliation for the owner and also the Toyota Motor Corporation Japan. TKM is sitting silent, actually they should defend the missing weather gasket. But the TKM is just ignoring the fact and taking help of internet reviews to suppress the issue to AVOID RECALL.But the people who are suffering after spending 8L will not spare Toyota for this. Today the customers are not together , but the day all join together Toyota will be in big deep trouble. The Toyota customers are from all good backgrounds and once the lawyers and the legal community joins together Toyota will realize the loss of ignoring common customers woes.The TRUTH must prevail. Quote:
How can you ignore the Noise, Vibration and Harshness from the engine in a new Toyota car with latest technology and specifically launched in India and then to the rest of the world. OR else the Toyota wants to test the vehicle by selling vehicles to Indians and then improve the Quality based on the feedback of poor customers and then modify the car and import the car to other parts of the world. This can save lot of money for Toyota. Quote:
I am only a user who was driving his wagon R for 11 years for 1L kilometer and now when I bought Toyota ETIOS, I am suffering because of excessive Noise, Vibration from Engine and road. The weather gaskets issue - TKM must reply and I can again prove them wrong. Let us hear it from the horse's mouth. I have problems in my ETIOS and unless Toyota does something for me I will keep on writing and writing. Please visit my website to know more facts. Quote:
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You are also right in suggesting that NVH will be definitely reduced because every time I go for servicing Toyota ETIOS, the customer relation people come and ask me about the problems in my ETIOS. Based on my answers they form a FAQ-Frequently Asked Question leaflet and then start answering all the customers with their limited knowledge. All the customers almost raise the same questions, but since the customers do not come in contact they think that the Toyota CRM is RIGHT and may be they are wrong. I also experienced the same. I bought my vehicle on 24.02.2011 and it is almost 8 months ownership now. I can really feel the urge from two fellow members to close this discussion, but is this for the benefit of Toyota? I would like to ask amalji and drmohitg. Please review Galaxy Toyota Job cards and the Toyota ETIOS missing weather gaskets photograph clicked at the same time. From outside and after opening the door. This dust accumulation will not happen in any car-any budget-any make-any segment-any size-any brand. But it will be dirty in Toyota ETIOS. Last edited by Amartya : 28th October 2011 at 08:39. Reason: Corrected a quoted post. Cheers. | |||||||
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28th October 2011, 03:16 | #268 | |
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And I can understand the frustration an Etios owner would feel at having to open and clean each door sill separately after having the car washed. This would either mean allowing water spray to enter the vehicle, or wiping that area with a damp cloth leading to scratches and deterioration of paint finish. And before anyone says that this area is not really visible, let's remind ourselves that we have scuff plates installed at the bottom of the door sills to prevent scuffing from the feet of passengers entering or leaving the vehicle, so this is a big deal IMHO. Last edited by VeluM : 28th October 2011 at 03:19. | |
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| Re: Frustrated Etios owner places Ad with complaints I think Munish has a genuine problem with his Etios NVH levels and this has been acknowledged by the Toyota service technicians, as per the job cards. Also, I do think he has a valid point about the dust accumulating due to the faulty design of the door. IMO, toyota will do well to heed such customer feedback and rectify the same at the earliest. As Munish has rightly pointed out, people are fine with its drab looks, and no frills stance, however there cannot be a compromise on functionality, and increased NVH or poor design need to be attended to. |
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So what did they Toyota people do since they acknowledged the extra NVH levels in your car? BTW have you got an underbody coating done? Its supposed to help reducing the NVH and if you haven't got it, may be you can ask the dealer to do it for free citing your issues with the car. | ||||
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