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On SX4 - that would be a more expensive proposition - and i am sure that is planned at a higher price point. The challenge is Maruti doesn't have a higher capacity diesel engine and the current 1.3D struggles on a full load at low speeds due to turbo lag. They would need the 1.6D from Fiat to drive this. I am sure they approached Fiat, and they would be asking for a lot of money - considering Maruti has no alternatives.  But if a 1.6D SX4 based 7 seater crossover comes out - it would be a great thing for the market - and the worst hit would be Mahindra! It will be a Maruti, so good reliability and a reasonable ownership costs would come with it. They could easily make it a super success. Last edited by moralfibre : 2nd May 2014 at 15:04. Reason: Back to back posts. Please use EDIT/Multi-quote instead of typing successive posts within 30 minutes. | |||
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2nd May 2014, 12:33
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2nd May 2014, 12:50
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If such difference is kept then watch the fun in the market and how the Ertiga would receive discount offers or some more usable features. Anurag. | |
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2nd May 2014, 17:36
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| re: Honda Mobilio (Brio-based MPV) coming soon? EDIT: pre-launch ad on p29 12L for a Mobilio! I slightly doubt people would accept that. IMHO Ertiga has maxxed out the premium in that segment. No wonder its not selling like others in the Maruti stable. For Mobilio, even 50k Premium over Ertiga may become unacceptable. For 13L you'd get a 'proper' MUV like a Top End Xylo. These are the prices in Bangalore :  Edit : Even if you consider the H8 Variant, it'd be ~12L OTR for a XYLO. Why'd anyone buy a car thats essentially, IMO, a compromise. Edit 2 : Honda surely cannot afford a market dud when its newly coming up with a factory. Last edited by GrammarNazi : 2nd May 2014 at 17:50. |
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2nd May 2014, 17:53
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When customers buy the Innova like no other car is available, why can't the Mobilio sell? The Mobilio may not set the charts on fire but sell at least half is what numbers the Innova generates? Anurag. | |
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2nd May 2014, 18:21
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| re: Honda Mobilio (Brio-based MPV) coming soon? EDIT: pre-launch ad on p29 Quote:
The requirement for an MUV from buyers will come based on various needs and someone like me too. For an all time 4 (or 5) seater, they will be good enough with a spacious hatch or Sedan anyways and hence you see how Swift or Dzire is selling in such numbers consistently. At a healthy 5-6k Per month consistently, the Ertiga's numbers surely do not reflect poor performance from an MUV perspective at all. In fact, it sells more than Scoropio, XUV or even Xylo only because the buyers don't need what these 3 models offer. What would matter now is the fact that how will Ertiga be able to sustain these figures after the launch of Mobilio which in all sense seems like a winner if priced well. Quote:
For those who are need the +2 occasionally, will pick the Ertiga or the Enjoy or the Mobilio based on how much they can stretch. Last edited by paragsachania : 2nd May 2014 at 18:26. | ||
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2nd May 2014, 18:54
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If Ex-SR is 15L, Taxn is at ~20% + Insurance = 18L+ in B'lore (Innova VX - ABS)(And theres also another absurd top end ZX variant at >18.5L) Quote:
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2nd May 2014, 19:07
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3rd May 2014, 19:54
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| re: Honda Mobilio (Brio-based MPV) coming soon? EDIT: pre-launch ad on p29 Quote:
Your second point, "low slung as an estate car" is indeed what Honda has been marketing at least in Indonesia. It is an LMPV, Low Multi Purpose Vehicle, to give you a sedan like feeling, but simultaneously being a people mover. I don't agree with your GC statement. The Indonesia specced Mobilio comes with a GC of 189mm (refer the picture below from the Indonesia brochure) for a wheebase of 2650mm. Now compare that with the 185mm GC of the Ertiga, which comes with a wheelbase of 2740. I doubt if any of the Ertiga owners at least here on TBHP have even complained on the GC of the Ertiga. Hence I have absolutely no worries on the GC of Mobilio. Just FYI Innova GC measures 176mm, though I believe this is the height of the rear wheel differential from the ground.  Quote:
 , but if they are functional and long lasting then I am OK with it. Again look wise I agree Honda could have done a better job in differentiating Mobilio from the Amaze, but then they want to share the platform and the parts bin to take advantage of economies of scale. I can live with such lacunae provided Honda passes on the cost benefits to the customer and prices the Mobilio very competitively as compared to the Ertiga.Last edited by AutoIndian : 3rd May 2014 at 19:58. | ||
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4th May 2014, 13:27
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4th May 2014, 22:48
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| re: Honda Mobilio (Brio-based MPV) coming soon? EDIT: pre-launch ad on p29 With due courtesy to AutonetMagz, I am reproducing their Mobilio review published on 26th April 2014. With the help of Google translate, converting it from Indonesian language to English. # Jakarta # AutonetMagz - After getting the type of Prestige Honda Mobilio A / T to our editors garage, it's not exciting if we do a review of the car is only modest, because in this review we tried a little harrowing LMPV (Low Multi Purpose Vehicle) is sensational to ferociously hilly road climbs and performance on the highway. Curious is not it? Let us examine directly the advantages and disadvantages of the Honda Mobilio. eskterior The front display is actually no different than a car like the Honda Brio is given a longer wheelbase and a tail, elevated and given cubication same machine with the Honda Jazz.  Fortunately Honda gives front detailing is quite interesting at the Honda Mobilio, so so looks a little different than the Brio. At Prestige we type test, its outer fog lamp get chrome accents. The side of this car looks pretty okay though there is a fault line in the middle of the door is a little disturbing view, whereas the function of the basin at the side door to the feasibility of passengers when looking out the window. For type velgnya Prestige models look more luxurious with polished finishing (the other type only in silver paint) while still using the same size as the outer fog lamp, body side molding Prestige Honda Mobilio this type of chrome accents.  Unfortunate, because sharing a platform with the Honda Brio goes into LCGC car category, the Mobilio, there are some common plastic parts on the exterior seem cheap and frail like a door handle. From the rear, the car looks very beautiful than any competitor in its class, thanks to a design that combines style Outlander Sport-style lights and bumper which has a line of black complete with ornaments and two reflector lamps such as the BMW X3, making it look very sexy.  For Prestige types, there is a chrome garnish on the rear door complete with a parking camera. Engines and Performance This engine uses Honda engines L15Z1 different coded with the Honda Jazz and the Honda Freed L15A engine which uses code that is no longer used by the latest variant of the Honda. Strength was shrunk from 120 ps to 118 ps. But that does not mean the worse, it is a Honda engine L15Z1 in the development of more advanced L15A, deliberately made smaller power because power is more easily obtained lap down making it more efficient and saving fuel.  i - VTEC was also also get revised so that it can play in the top round and bottom round at once . So do not be surprised when we try to touch the gas pedal a little bit of this car , its power immediately taste , but when we step on the gas pedal and spontaneous , the response was very poor due to its CVT transmission is not responsive . It's easy to accelerate from 0 to 60 km / h with this car , but after 60 km / h feels underpowered . Honda Mobilio should try to take a manual version to feel the performance . The interesting thing to come from under the hood , but not the positive issues that we tried to describe , because when we look into the hood we will find the build quality of the car is very disappointing for a car costing nearly 200 million . Starting from the messy paint , seal and seal - body connection that seemed perfunctory , severely damaging the scenery, especially the battery size in the design ngepas can not be upgraded because of the absence of more space in the engine room of this car .  suspension Honda seems a bit extreme to give a very sporty suspension on a car family. However, short-travel suspension at the front and rear wheels provide incredible performance when cornering, even at speeds over 60 km / hour we spoke this car cornering, body roll is still very minimal feels like a sports sedan. Also need to be raised thumb wheel for driving accuracy although EPS (Electronic Power Steering) makes feelingnya bad as other cars, but according to our handling of this car is quite remarkable. A little note, this car has a pretty severe understeer because the tail is very long, so that when we turn to the high-speed tail 'ngebuang', it feels like the grip of the tires may disappear when cornering.  At high speeds , the car is still stable , even the most stable in its class because of the harsh suspension . But for a family car , the car's suspension is arguably too hard , even harder than most other classmates LMPV . If Avanza using the suspension is too bouncy so too bouncy when going through bumpy roads , Honda Mobilio it feels too stiff so that shocks to the abdomen of passengers when passing bad roads with a rather high speed , such as passing a speed bump ( see video ) . Even the last row passengers bouncing several times and they hit the roof of the vehicle heads for the harsh suspension passes through uneven road . Honda is trying to get out of the mainstream that the family car to be synonymous with comfort , but now Honda actually gives a very sporty suspension to sacrifice the comfort of the car . interior Entry into the front of the cabin it's the same Honda Mobilio into the Honda Brio Satya , ranging from the design and use of materials might make us illfeel dashboard when compared to its competitors . Even in comparison with Avanza , according to our dashboard design , utilities , materials used and finishing , Avanza much neater .  But we need to appreciate that Honda Mobilio've tried to give the impression of luxury in this car's interior accents ranging from silver lining on the AC instrument and door panels are covered in plastic door trim throughout, because there is still a part of Honda Brio iron plate on the door that looks (to seen at Brio review here). But it seems still less lost ya! Utilities on this car should also be enhanced, if earlier we know the Honda is a smart manufacturer in designing the dashboard and interior, this car is the opposite, where the storage and cup holders it was minimal, and the size is very small glove box in its class.  These car seats are used enough attention, in the front row, Honda gave the front seats are the same as the Honda Brio, the chair is very thin and very easy to order seat foam felt if we press with the finger. Although the occupied and have a comfortable driving position is good enough for a test driver with 170 cm height, front head rest this car can not be height adjustable, while the second and third row seats can be height adjustable.  The second and third row seats in the car is also quite unique , if Avanza add thickness to catch up to his seat Spin Chevrolet and Suzuki Ertiga , it comes with a Honda Mobilio seat foam is very thin and very elastic like a toy . The effect of leg room and rear middle passenger became very well and airy due to the use of very thin seat earlier , although we doubt the durability of the chair if used for a very long time . But while seats Honda Mobilio thin , but still comfortably occupied anyway . And in all types of Honda Mobilio , we did not find a hand rest on the second row seats like Innova , Nissan Grand Livina and Suzuki Ertiga . But as a competitor , Honda Mobilio middle seat is equipped with a sliding . accommodation The most pleasant thing in the car is on the accommodation very relieved , though slender body with relatively short roof when seen from the outside , its interior turns into the most relieved so relieved even in class .  Middle and rear passengers will not feel collided head terpapas knee and headroom for short. Here we recognize the greatness of Honda designers. Access to the car is also very easy with one-touch tumble seat, although not as wide as the Ertiga middle door, this car has been pretty easy for an MPV.  Baggage Car is arguably the most relief in its class, very relieved even compared to Toyota Innova though. Although the mechanism is still conventional folding chair Avanza, but the rear seats can be folded separately and have reclining. kekedapan cabin The first time we entered the cabin of this car and started the engine, it feels kekedapan cabin is very good car because the engine in idle position when the sound is minimal. But apparently this car is a horror to the problem kekedapan voice (can be seen in the video below). Honda Mobilio brings to mind the first generation of Toyota Avanza minimal soundproofing, this car when it goes above 40 km / hour, the sound of the tires, the wind from under the car really feels fit into. Not only that, the sound from the outside like the sound of the motor and the sound of people talking very leaky because it has a rubber door 1 layer only (CMIIW, in a class that uses Mobilio LMPV only 1 layer of rubber door).  Even when we try to play audio in 20 volumes ( not too loud ) , audio sound leaking out . So do not be surprised if you talk a little loud or others chatting in the car door , her voice will be heard quite clearly . So what if the speed is over 100 km / h ? We think it may sound engine , tire and wind in the same car as kekedapan sound that occurs in the first generation Avanza . Avanza latest generation has been much better than the Honda Mobilio for soundproofing problems . features Honda Mobilio Prestige as the highest variant is equipped with the same safety equipment with Chevy Spin and Suzuki Ertiga , which brakes with ABS , dual SRS airbags and Immobillizer Key . Featured entertainment at Prestige Honda Mobilio type already quite complete , touch screen head unit with 4 speakers Kenwood brand and the camera back in the car gives the impression that quite well . But unfortunately the location is too slanted to make the screen difficult to read when the sun is scorching . The location of the volume knob located on the left side also makes it feel a bit difficult to reach by the driver . But compared with competitors, this car should be equipped with a driver seat height adjuster, seat belt height adjuster, steering audio controls, 2nd row arm rest and front driver's seat height adjustable head restnya. Build Quality Actually we rarely comment on the build quality of a vehicle, because the vehicle in Indonesia generally has the build quality is quite good, even some APM willing to build quality cars waiting for repairs to the base of the famous Indian market has the build quality under Indonesian market. But look at the build quality of Honda Mobilio is far from neat word makes us itch to criticize. As the car is priced at nearly 200 million (for which our Prestige type this review), Honda's lack of control of the build quality of this car before it is sent to the customer, from the joints of the body behind the hood, door cracks, joints interior especially on the door trim, plastic-plastic on the interior walls, glove box, and the back door of this car feels Honda Indonesia should able to appreciate their customers better. conclusion Honda Mobilio given the slogan of many advantages many advantages, it also has many weaknesses and shortcomings. Honda Mobilio excellence and merit no relief on the interior space, the trunk is very spacious, seat configuration is easy, beautiful exterior design and stable handling suspension because it has a sporty character. Then the weaknesses and shortcomings of this car is on the suspension is too harsh for a family car, the cabin damper poor, and the material that seem cheap interior design and build quality that should be improved again before being sent to the consumer. For more details, see the second video review of the Honda Mobilio that we have made below. Hopefully this time the reviews AutonetMagz can help provide insight to you before deciding to purchase a vehicle, the rest back to you the judge, where the car that best suits your budget and taste choices. The original review can be found here ---> http://autonetmagz.com/review-honda-...h-video/14718/ Last edited by Aditya : 8th May 2014 at 12:38. Reason: Removing attachments that are not displaying |
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4th May 2014, 23:38
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