[windiesel]

Originally Posted by Ford5

Can engine development be outsourced? I mean like how many of Toyota's Petrol engines are fine tuned and also manufactured by Yamaha.

Toyota's engines mfd by Yamaha? can you elaborate? (In India Police=Daku not just Chor, which is an understatement)

[gitartha]

Originally Posted by a4anurag

ABS, EBD and Brake Assist for VXi/VDi variant is a blessing if they launch but as we all know Maruti it will only add ABS and leave it. No brake aids and air bags. Hope Maruti proves is wrong.

Anurag.

Whats the point if they do? Next time some one else will demand airbags on the LDI/LXI.

If anyone wants abs+brake assist+airbags, they are always welcome to buy a ZXI/ZDI. No questions asked. They will even get climate control, broader alloy wheels, rear wiper, et al as a bonus thrown in.

The whole point in having a V & L variant is to address different customer price points. And if ABS does not come in VDI/VXI (it comes in ertiga VDI , mind you, & even in LDI as standard fitment), we Indians deserve this treatment, because we would rather have the choice to spend the extra dough on a double din touch screen ICE sytem with extra loud subwoofers, than for a small sticker/moniker on our tail gate. Also, how many people have actually bought a WagonR VXI (ABS) when they could buy a swift lxi at almost the same price. So back to where I started from. Whats the point?

[VeyronSuperSprt]

Guys, this thread is about the new Swift with the Suzuki diesel engine. Please confine discussions around this topic. Thanks!

[saadat1992]

Originally Posted by windiesel

Toyota's engines mfd by Yamaha? can you elaborate? (In India Police=Daku not just Chor, which is an understatement)

Well, AFAIK Yamaha Instruments did the sound tuning in the Lexus LFA's engine note and exhaust! I dont think they manufacture Toyota engines! The reason why we buy a Toyota is because of its bullet proof reliability! And i dont think Toyota would risk it by letting Yamaha manufacture it!

And, i dont really think Suzuki can pull it off with it's own oil burner! I mean, it wont be as good as the MJD!
We also saw the 3 cyl oil burner in the Brio being tested nationwide! But, they are yet to launch it!

[a4anurag]

Originally Posted by saadat1992

And, i dont really think Suzuki can pull it off with it's own oil burner! I mean, it wont be as good as the MJD!

If Fiat stops the supply of the 1.3 MJD to Maruti and it has to get manufactured it's own engine so it would become like Hero MotorCorp after the split with Honda.

Maruti has to develop one quick and has to compete good if not as good as the 1.3 MJD. It would be good if they preserve the driveabilty and frugal nature.

Anurag.

[shivasuma]

Originally Posted by saadat1992

We also saw the 3 cyl oil burner in the Brio being tested nationwide! But, they are yet to launch it!

From what I remember, it was apparently shelved as Honda couldn't manage the NVH.

[rockporiom]

Call me a pessimist but I highly doubt that keyless go is going to come anytime soon to any maruti cars leave alone swift. The reason?

Well its basically because they will have to start looking for a new parts supplier for the whole system which will be quite difficult for them. Since there is one thing common in all maruti cars right from the wagonr to the sx4 that is Nippon. Kizashi has the push button mechanism and it is made by a company known as calsonic Kansei corp. and there is one draw back to this system that it is very complex and not user friendly when it comes to personalisation. For e.g if I want the doors to auto lock at 20 I need to go to the service center where they will send the car to their regional office where some boffins sit on a laptop and do something which causes it to work. AFAIK Nippon has no such systems though they may develope one later but I doubt if they will do it only for the sake of MSIL. Correct me if I am wrong here. You may also notice a gap under the driver's side A/C vent that is where the push button system goes. You can see that even stingray has that hole. This means that they were designed to have the system, even the dashboard has the icon for the foot on clutch and push button. They may have removed it due to supplier issues.

As far as the cruise control goes it is a dream come true. I would happily trade in my Dzire zdi for another zdi(supposing that the updates will also come to dzire later on) if it has this system because it is a boon on the highways. And since we have a lot of highway driving it is like a dream come true. But again this feature is a huge doubt since the spy pics of YL1 don't show any cruise control buttons. Will Maruti add Cruise control to the swift which is obviously going to be cheaper than the YL1 before adding it to YL1?

[audioholic]

Originally Posted by rockporiom

Call
Well its basically because they will have to start looking for a new parts supplier for the whole system which will be quite difficult for them. Since there is one thing common in all maruti cars right from the wagonr to the sx4 that is Nippon. Kizashi has the push button mechanism and it is made by a company known as calsonic Kansei corp. and there is one draw back to this system that it is very complex and not user friendly when it comes to personalisation. For ?

Why cant Nippon add a keyless module to their current security system? Is it as difficult as impossible? Currently they know in and out of Maruti cars. They just need to change the remotes on offer and make changes to how the security system works. Is it that difficult? Moreover, Maruti has the habit of importing some components. Climate control of the SX4 is one such example. It is a Suzuki Genuine part. Hence we cant judge what they can come out with. MSIL did have some segment first features like ACC, ABS, Airbags etc when the segment had never seen such things. So whats the difficulty in giving what the segment is already offering or standard these days?

[rockporiom]

Originally Posted by audioholic

Why cant Nippon add a keyless module to their current security system? Is it as difficult as impossible? Currently they know in and out of Maruti cars. They just need to change the remotes on offer and make changes to how the security system works. Is it that difficult? Moreover, Maruti has the habit of importing some components. Climate control of the SX4 is one such example. It is a Suzuki Genuine part. Hence we cant judge what they can come out with. MSIL did have some segment first features like ACC, ABS, Airbags etc when the segment had never seen such things. So whats the difficulty in giving what the segment is already offering or standard these days?

I Completely agree with you that they have introduced many segment first. But importing items would mean a bump in price. As we all know Maruti they are known to price most of their products well. I think that is the reason they removed the push button from the new swift when it initially came to india in 2011. Even at that time i20 had push button but they still didn't add it in the swift. The top end swift zdi is around 60k-70k cheaper than the i20 without having features such as bluetooth, push button start, auto day/night mirrors, etc. That price gap will be reduced if they introduce the system. I think that is the reason they are avoiding the system till now.

[a4anurag]

Any update on this development part of the Swift?

Expected features and release date?

Anurag.

[Aditya]

Maruti Suzuki is rumoured to be readying the Swift and Dzire with a list of new features for launch.

Link to News Article

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by Aditya

Maruti Suzuki is rumoured to be readying the Swift and Dzire with a list of new features for launch.

Link to News Article

And the lower variants don't get any additional features? May be optional ABS? The ZDi is already overpriced; so NOT sure how good this move will be considering they can add another 30K easily to the price.

[rockporiom]

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

And the lower variants don't get any additional features? May be optional ABS? The ZDi is already overpriced; so NOT sure how good this move will be considering they can add another 30K easily to the price.

The dealers have reduced purchase of zdi variants which signals that most of the features like cruise control and keyless go will be only for the top zxi/zdi variants whereas features such as D.R.L's and auto up/down for driver might come in the lower variants. A price rise is imminent only question is by how much.

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by rockporiom

The dealers have reduced purchase of zdi variants which signals that most of the features like cruise control and keyless go will be only for the top zxi/zdi variants whereas features such as D.R.L's and auto up/down for driver might come in the lower variants. A price rise is imminent only question is by how much.

Did you mean to say that the demand for top end has been lower now? At a time when Swift has started having discounts (in all these 10 years), how will this fare is my doubt.

But I appreciate they have started offering better features in the segment - that's definitely a welcome move. Again if there are no additional features provided in the lower variants, the price gap between the V variant and Z variant is going to be even wider forcing more people to opt for V variant. But they could balance the price by offering ABS as optional in V variant at an additional 25 K which will almost take care of the extra bucks on the Z variant.

Now, why these ONLY on the diesel variants? Have they started feeling the pinch with diesel sales?

[rockporiom]

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

Did you mean to say that the demand for top end has been lower now? At a time when Swift has started having discounts (in all these 10 years), how will this fare is my doubt.

But I appreciate they have started offering better features in the segment - that's definitely a welcome move. Again if there are no additional features provided in the lower variants, the price gap between the V variant and Z variant is going to be even wider forcing more people to opt for V variant. But they could balance the price by offering ABS as optional in V variant at an additional 25 K which will almost take care of the extra bucks on the Z variant.

Now, why these ONLY on the diesel variants? Have they started feeling the pinch with diesel sales?

No the dealers have reduced and in some places stopped purchasing of the top end model of the dzire. When I went to place booking for my dzire the dealer said "Sir, discount ki kya baat karte ho zdi gaadi hi nahi aati hai. " this got me spooked and when I pressed for a reason they finally gave in.

They call the new key fob khichne waali chaavi. I was scratching my head for a long time to understand what it meant. I understood what they meant after they saw the keys of my kizashi in which the metal key comes out of the fob when a button is pressed.

When did I say updates are only for diesel they will be for the top end model regardless of diesel or petrol.