[krishnakarthik1]

Originally Posted by asm3899_CHD

It is now a much more desirable package and the best car in the segment in terms of fun-to-drive factor.

But the price difference between the Endeavour is now almost 6 lakhs in my city. It could be even more if the discounts on Endeavour are added. Even if we factor in the reliability, the powerful engine, the resale value it makes me wonder if the price gap is becoming too big.

[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

Finally a drive review of the facelifted fortuner other than Gaadiwaadi

Wonder if we will ever get to see a proper professional review instead of these amateurish, fly-by-night videos from kids who might still be on their learner's license . Where are the Autocars and Overdrives of the world? Did they not get hold of one yet?

Originally Posted by db DrivE

Black with chamois interiors looks pretty good.
I wonder why very few people choose these interiors over black.

I have seen chamois interiors on the pre-facelift and these are not as appealing in person as in pics/videos - strictly my point of view. Also, the chamois portion on front panel (surrounding the touch screen) sticks out like a sore thumb on an otherwise full-black dash.

Originally Posted by krishnakarthik1

But the price difference between the Endeavour is now almost 6 lakhs in my city

Are you sure about this? Here, in Bangalore, the on-road price of Fortuner 4x4 AT is Rs. 47.38 lac and that of the Endeavour Sport 4x4 AT is Rs. 45.12 lac - that is a difference of only about 2.2 lac. Even if you consider the Endeavour Titanium+ 4x4 AT, at an on-road price of 44.31 lac, the difference is just about 3 lac. While I agree that the Endeavour is more VFM any day, Fortuner is a brand in itself and with all the changes coming in with the facelift, has become all the more appealing. Ford has committed a blunder by not getting in the bi-turbo engine on the Endeavour, which now appears all the more under-powered with the beefed up motor under the Toyota's hood. Other areas where the Endeavour scored above the Fortuner also seem to have been worked upon by Toyota - steering, ride, sound system, cabin insulation, etc. while Ford is busy dropping differentiating features from its flagship product - ANC, rear heater, speakers, etc.! If this is not Hara-kiri, what is?

[CEF_Beasts]

Originally Posted by krishnakarthik1

But the price difference between the Endeavour is now almost 6 lakhs in my city. It could be even more if the discounts on Endeavour are added. Even if we factor in the reliability, the powerful engine, the resale value it makes me wonder if the price gap is becoming too big.

The price difference I can see is maximum ₹3Lakhs in case of Titanium+ 4X4 vs 4X4 AT of the Fortuner, ₹2Lakh in case of the Sport 4X4 variant to the 4X4 AT Fortuner. No way can it be ₹6Lakh unless I am missing something. ₹2-3Lakh can be recovered easily at the time selling.





Unless you mean Legender vs Endeavour’s Titanium + 4X2 AT approx difference of ₹6Lakh?

[krishnakarthik1]

Originally Posted by cool_dube

Are you sure about this?

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

The price difference I can see is maximum ₹3Lakhs in case of Titanium+ 4X4 vs 4X4 AT of the Fortuner, ₹

I looked at the base models of both. Endeavour Titanium 2.0 4x2 AT costing 35.99 and Fortuner 2.8 Diesel 4x2 AT at 41.70 and assumed a discount of 1 lakh on the Endeavour.

[TusharK]

Toyota has received over 5,000 bookings for the new Fortuner and Legender within a month of its launch. The carmaker has also started dealer dispatches across India.



The Fortuner facelift was launched on January 6, 2021. The SUV is available with two engine options - a 2.7-litre petrol that makes 164 BHP / 245 Nm and a 2.8-litre diesel with 201 BHP / 420 Nm (with 6-speed MT) and 201 BHP / 500 Nm (6-speed AT).



The Legender is the new top variant and is only available with a diesel engine paired with a 6-speed automatic transmission. While standard Fortuner diesel gets an optional all-wheel drive, the Legender is rear-wheel drive only.

Link to Team-BHP News

[asm3899_CHD]

Originally Posted by krishnakarthik1

and assumed a discount of 1 lakh on the Endeavour.

A discount of 1 lakh on a new 2021 Endeavour is not possible. I am talking in the area of Punjab and Chandigarh. In this area the sale of Endeavour is very high and discounts generally do not go above 30 Thousand. Although the year end discounts may even hover around 1.50 lakhs.

[krishnakarthik1]

Originally Posted by asm3899_CHD

A discount of 1 lakh on a new 2021 Endeavour is not possible. I am talking in the area of Punjab and Chandigarh. In this area the sale of Endeavour is very high and discounts generally do not go above 30 Thousand. Although the year end discounts may even hover around 1.50 lakhs.

Even here I see so many new Endeavors. In our apartment complex 5 new ones arrived in the last 2 weeks and I thought there was some deep discounting going on. Anyway, this is the Fortuner's page and I dont want to take it off topic.

I am in the market to upgrade from my Hexa and the Fortuner is the only one right now I can upgrade to.

[CEF_Beasts]

Looks like this is the only car at ~₹40 Lakh which has managed to get these kind of bookings in 1 month. to Toyota for this achievement.

But I have a serious question for Toyota India, what’s the point of this if you aren’t able to arrange test-drives for prospective customers, media. Demo cars also came almost 10-15 days after launch.

I agree the factory was facing issues but then they could have planned the launch better, made enough cars for the media fleet, test-drive vehicles at showrooms across India and then launched the car at a later date.

[JohaanTJ]

Waiting for reliable reviews on the updated 201BHP/500NM version of the facelift. Curious to know how much the new variable flow control system has improved the steering experience at low speeds. Came to know through some random youtube videos that the suspension has been slightly reworked to improve ride quality.

Attaching a video link here in which a sub 10 second 0-100kmph sprint time was achieved in sport mode eventhough a proper Vbox is not shown in the clip.

https://youtu.be/1AqxGFbkCR8

[asm3899_CHD]

Originally Posted by TusharK

2.8-litre diesel with 175 BHP / 420 Nm (with 6-speed MT) and 201 BHP / 500 Nm (6-speed AT).Link to Team-BHP News

The manual also develops 201 bhp of power.

[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by TusharK

2.8-litre diesel with 175 BHP / 420 Nm (with 6-speed MT) and 201 BHP / 500 Nm (6-speed AT)

This is incorrect. The max output remains the same (201 BHP) for both MT and AT variants. It is just the max torque that changes from MT to AT. Please see excerpt below from Toyota India website:

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

But I have a serious question for Toyota India, what’s the point of this if you aren’t able to arrange test-drives for prospective customers, media.

You have answered your own question below The whole point is that 5 thousand-plus customers have committed to buying a 40-plus lac car without even getting to drive one - why would TKM bother to provide test drive cars with THAT kind of a cult following? On a serious note, what I am being told is that given the limited production capacity of the Bidadi plant (due to the ongoing unrest), dealers are prioritizing customer deliveries over test drive cars.

Looks like this is the only car at ~₹40 Lakh which has managed to get these kind of bookings in 1 month. to Toyota for this achievement.

Originally Posted by JohaanTJ

Waiting for reliable reviews on the updated 201BHP/500NM version of the facelift.

Amen! Have been requesting mods for a quick preview on key changes - steering, ride, engine performance, sound quality, etc. if not a full-blown review.

[2000rpm]

Originally Posted by TusharK

Toyota has received over 5,000 bookings for the new Fortuner and Legender within a month of its launch. The carmaker has also started dealer dispatches across India.

Thats 2000 - 2500 Crs of business! Damn the Fortuner is popular!

I think Toyota understand something about the Indian market which we dont seem to get!

[arvi86]

No wonder Toyota keeps jacking up the retail prices every time they launch a facelift or a generation change. As much as we like complaining about how greedy Toyota is in doing what they do for the Innova and Fortuner, instances like these just goes to show how strong 'Brand Toyota' is in the premium segments.

There's absolutely no other car-maker that can think of mounting a challenge to Toyota, Innova upwards. Skoda's Superb is the only exception that puts up a fight with the Camry although the volumes there are inconsequential.

[yd_gli]

This is why I would buy a Fortuner 10 out of 10 times if I were in the market for a 7 seater SUV. The number of cars sold and reliability means you will never have to struggle for parts or resale value on it. The Safari might be half the cost but resale and future proofing will bulldoze your ownership experience into shambles. I own a Hexa and love it to bits, but I know I will have tears in my eyes when it comes to resale value.

[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by arvi86

There's absolutely no other car-maker that can think of mounting a challenge to Toyota

Agree! Fortuner is the king of its segment for more than a decade now. The Endeavour did manage to breathe down its neck for a few years but come 2020 and BAM! Ford decides to get charitable and plonk a 2 lit pot in there