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Originally Posted by 4x4addict When I look through these comments, I find some of them fairly amusing. Let me tell you guys upfront. The Jimny was never meant to serve the purpose of of family car. It is purely a farmers ride or a weekend fun car.
Before you start measuring the width of the seats, please look under the car. It is solid axle for crying out loud. Your baby will throw up it's milk shortly.
This car is purely for an off-road enthusiast. For baby comfort and slightly wider mother in law comfort, there are like a 100 options and Jimny is definitely not one of them. It is a solid offroader which is compromised in just about every other aspect. |
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Originally Posted by SUVolens Well, yes and no. Yes, internationally and especially in road space constricted Europe, the original Jimny is a farmer’s tool and an urban toy/joyride. In 4x4 crazed Australia and S Africa too. But from Maruti in India? I don’t think that’s how they’re seeing it or will be able to market it. The off-roading trend is growing here, true. And no small measure thanks to the efforts of M&M and Force Motors. And while Maruti may have kept an eye on that growth trend while agreeing to sell the Jimny here, their primary thought was to give the crowds the vital feature missing from the competition - access, both practically and metaphorically. 4 doors just flatten the doubts many have when eyeing the Thar for example. They open the doors (no puns intended) for a slightly older demographic too and that would’ve been plenty in evidence from the visitors to the Jimny viewings at the dealers. This ‘compromised’ version also makes a great case to be sold by bucketloads in the hill states, not an ignorable number. Then there is the defence market. It’s a calculated move from MSIL. All they need is a crafty pricing and they’ll be laughing all the way to the banks.
Does that make the LWB Jimny a family car? Gawd NO! It doesn’t have it in its genes to be that. But what it can be is a stylish compromise that many would be willing to live with, within their daily commute zones. That’s not what the competition is able to do currently. |
I agree with both of you, however I can’t help but notice that everyone here seems to be glossing over the obvious. I have close to zero experience driving in India but when I first learned to drive here (yes, I had to relearn because driving in India is a different skill altogether, or is to me, not to mention being RHD virgin) I was amazed how people even rode anything else but jeeps* on these roads?! Like I said, I have only been on a very tiny fraction of Indian roads, but based on that limited sample of data, its not hard to extrapolate that one is almost off-roading about half the time despite not having any interest in going off road. I am off road a lot even when I least desire it. I wasn’t exaggerating, when I said, during my initial days, on some really bad tracts of what was supposed to be roads, that I needed a damn tractor to traverse these sections. So I put my money where my mouth is and bought my first ride in India, a Mahindra Thar.
Why does it come as a surprise then that Maruti, and others, are doing the obvious and mainstreaming slightly better appointed farm equipment for our roads while also selling factory lifted hatches and sedans under the same roof? Because it sells for the same reasons why tiny cars sell in Europe and boats on wheels in the US. The only anomaly here is the Indian obsession over “road presence” - given our roads, the mindset is, inexplicably, bigger-is-better! Or maybe it isn’t, may be people feel safer in bigger vehicles?
Almost all my limited knowledge about the driving/offroading culture (and much else in India, to be honest) comes from reading forums/articles online or watching YouTube videos, but I’d still hazard a wild guess that the tiny fraction of the off-road enthusiast community in India has to be tinier than the fraction of Indian roads I have been on so far. Furthermore, within that said tiny population, majority are rich kids with no girlfriends and nowhere else to blow their money on (again, I read this in an article about youth in Punjab/Haryana and their obsession with jeeps*, so don’t shoot the messenger) engaging in measuring contests of the juvenile kind (to keep it kosher for the elders here) climbing over remains of abandoned structures, dilapidated steps, and sidewalks on the outskirts of Indian suburbia (source: YouTube). So no, there doesn't seem to be a need for any manufacturer making any product targeted exclusively towards the genuine off-road enthusiast community; just take what’s existing, make it a little pretty and mainstream it as you get to charge a pretty penny for that lipstick on the pig. Not that there’s anything wrong with it; I like pigs wearing lipstick!
I am aware that I may come off sounding haughty dissing on Indian roads, but am not. There are a coveted lucky few of you who live in Indian cities paved with glistening tarmac and ride on gleaming concrete, and you have better options to chose from. More power to you! I envy you as much as I hate my options. But you are few and far between; we are the not-so-lucky majority who drive on roads where the kids are gonna throw up their milk regardless of the ride. It is what it is, no dissing here. In the US, we used to plan weeks ahead to drive two hours up in the mountains to enjoy a weekend of mudding/wheeling and camping with people who whined about the broken roads and bridges of America (and I was always like, what?!?!). Here I am planning road trips out of my way just so to escape the almost mandatory off-roading and visit places where the lucky few get to live and drive. Its just what it is and I made my peace with that.
So yeah, we need these jeeps* - Jimny’s, Thar’s, and the like. Heck, I will buy a subscription for 3-yearly-renewal for an AC Bolero if it came with an auto tranny and TPMS - and strip all other electronics off it please.
Then there’s the pricing discussion. I remember when I had booked the Thar without even test driving it, and was reading on these very forums the wild speculation about its then yet-to-be-announced pricing; estimates thrown around were mostly on the higher side, some almost as high as 25L. And I notice the same about the Jimny; folks speculating upwards of 16/17L’s for the Jimny. I too have booked one on opening day but this would be dead on arrival if it was priced closer to the Thar. These are still pigs, notwithstanding the lipstick.
Speaking of bookings though, is it possible to change the dealership from one state to another? Or change the name on the original booking?
* - I use the generic term jeep like how it came to be, as short for GP (as in General Purpose), or what's called utility vehicles today