My New Refreshed Scorpio LX

anjan_c2007 · 31st August 2010, 19:44

Rains and more rains here all through! I wrote about a rainy drive in the previous post.This evening while parking the SUV at home, I noticed water vapour condensed on the inside of the front left headlight, seal beam.The right seal beam is quite OK and clear. What could be the reason? Though the water vapour will dry up come sunshine, why does this at all condense on the inside of the sealed headlight unit? There may be some passage from which air is seeping in and condensing.

The pictures here:

My New Refreshed Scorpio LX-dsc05868.jpg

The water vapour

My New Refreshed Scorpio LX-dsc05869.jpg

Dry and truly clear lens

HappyRoadie · 31st August 2010, 20:23

Hi Anjan, I think there is a crack in your in the headlight resulting in this condensation. I faced similar problem in my Grande. I think you get the headlight checked. Hope this helps.

HappyWheels · 31st August 2010, 21:43

Anjan,

I reckon you can get those headlamps changed under warranty.

anjan_c2007 · 1st September 2010, 19:25

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Originally Posted by HappyWheels

Anjan,

I reckon you can get those headlamps changed under warranty.

I will check up with the dealership and take the necessary steps.

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Originally Posted by HappyRoadie

Hi Anjan, I think there is a crack in your in the headlight resulting in this condensation. I faced similar problem in my Grande. I think you get the headlight checked. Hope this helps.

Thanks for your diagnosis. I had clicked the pictures yesterday at dusk.Today morning, while carefully seeing the headlight,I found a hairline crack on its upper part- now marked the crack within the ellipsoid and between the two parallel lines.
There was however no impact or hit of any kind anywhere.Even my parking is secure in the garage at home. At office the SUV is parked in a safe parking place too!

My New Refreshed Scorpio LX-crack-viewed.jpg

anjan_c2007 · 7th September 2010, 22:48

Nope there was no crack of any kind found upon a closer examination. What I thought was a hairline crack was actually a design element/cue on the headlight. I then also found the two fog lamps drowned in water and with condensed water vapour on the lens inside.At the base of both the fog lamps,there were pools of dirty and muddy water (from the slushy water logged pools) which is eventually ,repeatedly condensing (vow the condensed water is so pure!) on the inside of the lens ,drying, re-condensing, cyclically.
There is a new thread that I have created that you may please view:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...w-scorpio.html

diwakarmuthu · 8th September 2010, 19:13

@Anjan is this a problem that other Scorpios are also facing. I am asking this to check if I will also have the same problem after a year

anjan_c2007 · 10th September 2010, 20:48

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Originally Posted by diwakarmuthu

@Anjan is this a problem that other Scorpios are also facing. I am asking this to check if I will also have the same problem after a year

Quote:

Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

Nope there was no crack of any kind found upon a closer examination. What I thought was a hairline crack was actually a design element/cue on the headlight. I then also found the two fog lamps drowned in water and with condensed water vapour on the lens inside.At the base of both the fog lamps,there were pools of dirty and muddy water (from the slushy water logged pools) which is eventually ,repeatedly condensing (vow the condensed water is so pure!) on the inside of the lens ,drying, re-condensing, cyclically.
There is a new thread that I have created that you may please view:

Today the MASS replaced the three erring lamps viz the LH headlight and the two fog lamps free of cost, as these are covered by warranty.I had been to the MASS today and am very happy about their way of doing the thing.I have posted the details on this thread:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...w-scorpio.html

I am sure other dealers dealing in other brands of automobiles, especially SKODA, will take a cue from the MASS' and make the dealerships a better place for all.

diwakarmuthu · 15th September 2010, 14:03

Anjan, can you please share the fog lamp switch that is located in the dash. M.A.S.S. in my case also quoted about the switch being installed in the dash and I am worried if they are going to drill holes of some sort inside the dash.

Attachment 342868[/quote]

anjan_c2007 · 15th September 2010, 19:30

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Originally Posted by diwakarmuthu

Anjan, can you please share the fog lamp switch that is located in the dash. M.A.S.S. in my case also quoted about the switch being installed in the dash and I am worried if they are going to drill holes of some sort inside the dash.

Diwakar: please do not allow the MASS people to drill any holes or anything of that kind. There are spare dummy switches placed below the AC control switches. This is alongwith the fuel lid opener (remote).You will see the location of the switch in my Scorpio marked with a green arrow in this picture. I have got it placed to the right side for easier access by the driver.They charged some Rs 100 or so for the switch.Cheers

My New Refreshed Scorpio LX-dsc05213.jpg

anjan_c2007 · 5th November 2010, 21:14

Today gave a thorough wash to the beasty SUV.It has seen two monsoons now and has done me proud with its driveability, reliability and poise.The monsoon this year was too severe in this part of the country. As can be recollected the loss suffered by my Brute SUV was its two OE lamps-the headlamp and the foglamp (OE fitted at the MASS)both fitted on the left side.These were replaced free of cost at the dealership.
The weather is pleasant and with plenty orf water the cleaning job is quite a thrilling one. All the grime and dirt part company and the body/underbody is rendered clean. This is contrary to the wash I had given to it a few months ago when the weather was not so favourable. It was extremely sultry then.
But after the two-three hour satisfying job I have done, I can vouch and say that anyone who can clean a Scorpio can clean at least three small hatches (or toys?) with the same effort.
As I had said its as effort taking as bathing an elephant. But the difference lies in the fact that the pachyderm helps itself a little bit, lessening your efforts!

anjan_c2007 · 19th January 2011, 20:26

Have been driving the brute SUV daily and find it still very dependable. The power steering is cool and lets you forget the gigantic dimension of the SUV.The MHawk is a tireless performer and is extremely responsive to any acceleration manoeuvres. However deceleration is still a problem and the engine rpm is on the higher side while reducing speed due to any reason. During emergencies one has to shift to lower gears and depend on the mighty brakes as the engine refuses to obey the accelerator pedal even if that is let free. The suspension is also cool and takes on the rough and potholed roads or no roads with ease.No pre-Scorpio Mahindra can boast of any such Lotus designed suspension. Even several large cars falter on such roads, whereas the Scorpio remains composed and tough instilling a lot of confidence on the driver by absorbing many bumps. I have always had to crank the self only once to fire the MHawk which has never needed a second self ever till now.This is true even if I am out for 5 or 6 days at a stretch and the SUV is garaged.And even at 7 degrees Celsius it needed one self to fire up! The horn button which was very stiff when new has softened only a little bit, but is nowhere near the finesse shown by many cars- even the good old 800 had a feather touch horn. I do not simply know why Mahindra lags behind here.During emergencies one has to perform exercises with his or her palm. Fingers do not aid horn button engagement at all! The other lacuna is the big fat A pillar! Hits and misses are many due to the bulbous A pillar that obstructs the driver's visibility.For a big fat SUV everything need not be so fat! I am now finding that the four power windows need regular physiotherapy.That means even if you use the PW's infrequently these must be exercised on a regular basis or else they may conk off one by one. It happened to the rear right side window.Due to less use the PW simply stopped working. Then after a few days and repeated pressing the PW button it has now started working again. Then coming to Mr Jairam Rameshji's labelling of we SUV owners as criminals, though we are not, the spiralling petrol prices makes me happy when I feel I have invested in a diesel. And lastly, I put the air-con on at all times irrespective of the outside weather to remain cocooned and cut off from the dust and accessories carried by the atmospheric air.And believe me, the interiors remain relatively dust free if the windows are always rolled up.The only times I get the window glass down is when there is moist weather with no rains. This is when there is minimum dust. The MHawk's real grunt is audible to me only then.

rayygeorge · 20th January 2011, 22:05

(The horn button which was very stiff when new has softened only a little bit, but is nowhere near the finesse shown by many cars- even the good old 800 had a feather touch horn. I do not simply know why Mahindra lags behind here.During emergencies one has to perform exercises with his or her palm. Fingers do not aid horn button engagement at all!)

Anjan,
For the stiffness of the Scorpio horn ,what you can do is to get the steering hub cover opened.You can see three black rectangular contact switches ,two exactly below the point on the steering where the impressions are given for pressing and one at bottom.Upper half of these switches are closed on to the bottom part with an inbuilt snap latch on either ends.Open the snap latch with your finger or with the aid of a small screw driver .You can see two springs inside seated on plastic projections.Take out these springs and give few hard presses with a plier (do not loose the spring, it may jump out when you open the plier jaws).Put these springs back and close the cover with snap latch.Do this process on all three contact switches.Get your steering hub cover back.This should solve the problem.If you are not into DIY methods then it is better if you are getting this done by the electrician in ASC.
For a very soft horn switch you can replace all these springs with ball point pen springs.
I tried the first method when I got the steering removed for putting leather steering cover.Steering was with me for two days and I did this myself.I could not find six pall point pen springs at that time.
My scorpio switch is sounding with light press now.
I have the habit of pressing the horn switch with the ball of the palm, keeping fingers on the steering.

anjan_c2007 · 22nd January 2011, 19:39

Thanks Ray for your suggestion. Shall try that out sometime.
I too am a DIY kind but try not do it with new cars/bikes. My DIY activities are with the older ones in my garage, as I have greater confidence and have been working on those POT's (Pretty Old Things

) since long.

4x4addict · 22nd January 2011, 20:13

Hi Ray,

Does your Scorpio have Air Bags. Mine does, I am worried of damaging anything when removing the steering cover. I too find the Horn a royal pain. It has softened a little bit from before, but still too hard for my liking...

anjan_c2007 · 22nd January 2011, 22:14

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Originally Posted by 4x4addict

Hi Ray,

Does your Scorpio have Air Bags. Mine does, I am worried of damaging anything when removing the steering cover. I too find the Horn a royal pain. It has softened a little bit from before, but still too hard for my liking...

No, it does not have airbags. In your case I am sure you won't risk it just because the airbags are located there.
Even the Padmini and Ambassador horns are easier to operate- this one in the Scorpio must have been designed by some gym-toned wrestler or boxer !

31st August 2010, 19:44	#511
anjan_c2007 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: India Posts: 8,708 Thanked: 22,855 Times View My Garage	Rains and more rains here all through! I wrote about a rainy drive in the previous post.This evening while parking the SUV at home, I noticed water vapour condensed on the inside of the front left headlight, seal beam.The right seal beam is quite OK and clear. What could be the reason? Though the water vapour will dry up come sunshine, why does this at all condense on the inside of the sealed headlight unit? There may be some passage from which air is seeping in and condensing. The pictures here: The water vapour Dry and truly clear lens
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31st August 2010, 20:23	#512
HappyRoadie BHPian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Lucknow Posts: 540 Thanked: 308 Times View My Garage	Hi Anjan, I think there is a crack in your in the headlight resulting in this condensation. I faced similar problem in my Grande. I think you get the headlight checked. Hope this helps.
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31st August 2010, 21:43	#513
HappyWheels Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4,145 Thanked: 571 Times	Anjan, I reckon you can get those headlamps changed under warranty.
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7th September 2010, 22:48	#515
anjan_c2007 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: India Posts: 8,708 Thanked: 22,855 Times View My Garage	Nope there was no crack of any kind found upon a closer examination. What I thought was a hairline crack was actually a design element/cue on the headlight. I then also found the two fog lamps drowned in water and with condensed water vapour on the lens inside.At the base of both the fog lamps,there were pools of dirty and muddy water (from the slushy water logged pools) which is eventually ,repeatedly condensing (vow the condensed water is so pure!) on the inside of the lens ,drying, re-condensing, cyclically. There is a new thread that I have created that you may please view: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...w-scorpio.html Last edited by anjan_c2007 : 7th September 2010 at 22:51.
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8th September 2010, 19:13	#516
diwakarmuthu BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: KA, TN Posts: 449 Thanked: 545 Times	@Anjan is this a problem that other Scorpios are also facing. I am asking this to check if I will also have the same problem after a year
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15th September 2010, 14:03	#518
diwakarmuthu BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: KA, TN Posts: 449 Thanked: 545 Times	Anjan, can you please share the fog lamp switch that is located in the dash. M.A.S.S. in my case also quoted about the switch being installed in the dash and I am worried if they are going to drill holes of some sort inside the dash. Attachment 342868[/quote]
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5th November 2010, 21:14	#520
anjan_c2007 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: India Posts: 8,708 Thanked: 22,855 Times View My Garage	Today gave a thorough wash to the beasty SUV.It has seen two monsoons now and has done me proud with its driveability, reliability and poise.The monsoon this year was too severe in this part of the country. As can be recollected the loss suffered by my Brute SUV was its two OE lamps-the headlamp and the foglamp (OE fitted at the MASS)both fitted on the left side.These were replaced free of cost at the dealership. The weather is pleasant and with plenty orf water the cleaning job is quite a thrilling one. All the grime and dirt part company and the body/underbody is rendered clean. This is contrary to the wash I had given to it a few months ago when the weather was not so favourable. It was extremely sultry then. But after the two-three hour satisfying job I have done, I can vouch and say that anyone who can clean a Scorpio can clean at least three small hatches (or toys?) with the same effort. As I had said its as effort taking as bathing an elephant. But the difference lies in the fact that the pachyderm helps itself a little bit, lessening your efforts!
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19th January 2011, 20:26	#521
anjan_c2007 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: India Posts: 8,708 Thanked: 22,855 Times View My Garage	Re: My New Refreshed Scorpio LX Have been driving the brute SUV daily and find it still very dependable. The power steering is cool and lets you forget the gigantic dimension of the SUV.The MHawk is a tireless performer and is extremely responsive to any acceleration manoeuvres. However deceleration is still a problem and the engine rpm is on the higher side while reducing speed due to any reason. During emergencies one has to shift to lower gears and depend on the mighty brakes as the engine refuses to obey the accelerator pedal even if that is let free. The suspension is also cool and takes on the rough and potholed roads or no roads with ease.No pre-Scorpio Mahindra can boast of any such Lotus designed suspension. Even several large cars falter on such roads, whereas the Scorpio remains composed and tough instilling a lot of confidence on the driver by absorbing many bumps. I have always had to crank the self only once to fire the MHawk which has never needed a second self ever till now.This is true even if I am out for 5 or 6 days at a stretch and the SUV is garaged.And even at 7 degrees Celsius it needed one self to fire up! The horn button which was very stiff when new has softened only a little bit, but is nowhere near the finesse shown by many cars- even the good old 800 had a feather touch horn. I do not simply know why Mahindra lags behind here.During emergencies one has to perform exercises with his or her palm. Fingers do not aid horn button engagement at all! The other lacuna is the big fat A pillar! Hits and misses are many due to the bulbous A pillar that obstructs the driver's visibility.For a big fat SUV everything need not be so fat! I am now finding that the four power windows need regular physiotherapy.That means even if you use the PW's infrequently these must be exercised on a regular basis or else they may conk off one by one. It happened to the rear right side window.Due to less use the PW simply stopped working. Then after a few days and repeated pressing the PW button it has now started working again. Then coming to Mr Jairam Rameshji's labelling of we SUV owners as criminals, though we are not, the spiralling petrol prices makes me happy when I feel I have invested in a diesel. And lastly, I put the air-con on at all times irrespective of the outside weather to remain cocooned and cut off from the dust and accessories carried by the atmospheric air.And believe me, the interiors remain relatively dust free if the windows are always rolled up.The only times I get the window glass down is when there is moist weather with no rains. This is when there is minimum dust. The MHawk's real grunt is audible to me only then. Last edited by anjan_c2007 : 19th January 2011 at 20:33.
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20th January 2011, 22:05	#522
rayygeorge BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 53 Thanked: 3 Times	Re: My New Refreshed Scorpio LX (The horn button which was very stiff when new has softened only a little bit, but is nowhere near the finesse shown by many cars- even the good old 800 had a feather touch horn. I do not simply know why Mahindra lags behind here.During emergencies one has to perform exercises with his or her palm. Fingers do not aid horn button engagement at all!) Anjan, For the stiffness of the Scorpio horn ,what you can do is to get the steering hub cover opened.You can see three black rectangular contact switches ,two exactly below the point on the steering where the impressions are given for pressing and one at bottom.Upper half of these switches are closed on to the bottom part with an inbuilt snap latch on either ends.Open the snap latch with your finger or with the aid of a small screw driver .You can see two springs inside seated on plastic projections.Take out these springs and give few hard presses with a plier (do not loose the spring, it may jump out when you open the plier jaws).Put these springs back and close the cover with snap latch.Do this process on all three contact switches.Get your steering hub cover back.This should solve the problem.If you are not into DIY methods then it is better if you are getting this done by the electrician in ASC. For a very soft horn switch you can replace all these springs with ball point pen springs. I tried the first method when I got the steering removed for putting leather steering cover.Steering was with me for two days and I did this myself.I could not find six pall point pen springs at that time. My scorpio switch is sounding with light press now. I have the habit of pressing the horn switch with the ball of the palm, keeping fingers on the steering.
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22nd January 2011, 19:39	#523
anjan_c2007 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: India Posts: 8,708 Thanked: 22,855 Times View My Garage	Re: My New Refreshed Scorpio LX Thanks Ray for your suggestion. Shall try that out sometime. I too am a DIY kind but try not do it with new cars/bikes. My DIY activities are with the older ones in my garage, as I have greater confidence and have been working on those POT's (Pretty Old Things) since long.
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22nd January 2011, 20:13	#524
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,497 Thanked: 4,649 Times View My Garage	Re: My New Refreshed Scorpio LX Hi Ray, Does your Scorpio have Air Bags. Mine does, I am worried of damaging anything when removing the steering cover. I too find the Horn a royal pain. It has softened a little bit from before, but still too hard for my liking...
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