Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

naman · 20th March 2007, 10:30

hey ...

need the headlights upgrade for city zx vtec....

keen on philips rally 100/90 with relay...
please clear me of a few doubts...
1. do i need a ceramic holder
2. is the black coating on the stock bulb culprit for poor headlights in city
3. do i need any changes in the reflector....

i usually drive in night... and i love driving fast... so i need the eyes !!!

tsk1979 · 20th March 2007, 10:53

naman
1. You may need one. Its good to have. Many people run 100/90W without ceramic holders, but some face problems, so its a good to have thing, and it is not too expensive
2. No, the black coating will be there on all bulbs
3. Nope, I am running 100/90 without any change. If you get fake bulbs, they do not have UV resistant glass, and that will damage your reflector.

naman · 20th March 2007, 17:13

thanks a lot for the help...

please advice a good dealer in south delhi. and i guess there is no B&W for the bulbs.... how do i make out if its genuine or not. and which relay is good.... i visited a dealer in Def Co... he first said no relay was needed.. but when i persisted he said he will get boston relay... pl confirm if its ok. and how to find if a relay is genuine !!

mail4ajo · 20th March 2007, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Many people run 100/90W without ceramic holders, but some face problems,

Get the ceramic holder. They usually come along with a good wiring harness. I got lucas harness inbuilt with relay. The regular holders may get damaged due to the higher voltage.

gbpscars · 20th March 2007, 19:22

Could someone please help me with headlamp alignment? This is for an OHC VTEC.

I can see the points that say U<->D and L<->R for Up-Down and Left-Right on the casing. I can also see the screws.

Of course I will be using the manual procedure to align.

But they dont seem to be easily reachable.

What I dont understand is why would it be in such a hard to reach location while this is such a necessary thing to be done.

Wish I had the new post-2005 auto levelers.

Thanks to anyone who will help on this.

pshyamsundar · 26th March 2007, 11:54

Osram silverstar bulbs are available in bangalore. I have them on my swift. its 60/55 rating. its definetely better than the OEM fitting. I have done some highway driving with these and my observation is they are good for driving only till about 10pm. After which you will encounter these real high beam fellows with those eye blinding light. you can take these folks and you cant make them dim their light with osram silverstar.

I think for them only option would be get 100/90 bulbs preferably osram silverstar. But you need those relays and stuff and the maruti guys will always crib about warranty and stuff like that. I have written a strong letter to maruti customer care about the poor quality of OEM light. Let me see if they get back to me.

panky12345 · 28th March 2007, 13:41

Can somebody let me know that where is a good shop in delhi to get my lightning upgraded ( i mean the bulbs & relay).

Is anything else needed for indica apart from bulbs and relay? how much will it cost?

s0uljah · 28th March 2007, 23:20

Sorry if this has allready been covered in this thread.

What are the main things to keep in mind while opting for an HID kit ?

I know that the brightness isnt related to the different temps (eg6k/8k/12k etc) and this only has to do with the colour.

More specifically for the swift is at an h4/h7 fitment?

My friend is purchasing a China manufactured HID conversion kit, seems to be of a decent company who is OEM manufacture for some cars apparently. Anyway this is what is being offered in a High/Low Xenon kit

Basic Fittings

2 x HID Bulbs (Bulb type and Color Temperature can be chosen)
2 x Ballasts ( with built-in starter/igniter for better performance)
2 x secure Mounting Brackets
All necessary install accessories

Main Technical Parameter

Input Voltage : Dc 8-18v
Starting up Instant Voltage : AC 23000V
Steady Power : 35W2W
Ambient Temperature : -40--- +105

He doesnt know anythign about lighting... and neither do I. I had read somethign about projectors etc when using xenon/hid in this thread too. What do they cost?

tsk1979 · 29th March 2007, 01:13

Replaced Tata Safari OEM Philips 60/55W with Osram Silverstar 60/55W(Back home in Ludhiana). The packing says 50%+. 300Rs for a pair.

The result : The night turned into day. While fitting andt testing at TASS, another guy with a safari came and asked, where did we get it. By the time we finished with the job card formalities(A retro fit job) he had already come back with a pair for his safari

so impressed was he with the light.

They look better than my 100/90W Narva!

gbpscars · 29th March 2007, 16:38

s0uljah,

in fact i have been hunting around for ideas for finding an old projector housing for a H7 6000K HID kit that I got from Germany.

i'm planning to fix them as accessory lighting - on a driving lamp housing or a fog lamp housing, or a customised alignment that can cover a large area ahead of my car, of course without the glare to oncoming traffic.

but the search is proving to be futile for a decent projector lens. i looked for it with Skoda, Hyundai for accident cars, but havent had any luck until now. i just have their numbers and will have to call them during my long leave next week.

will keep you posted about it.

you can always buy them from ebay.com, but will work out expensive and is stupid to fit in a rebased H7 in a OEM projector that they sell.

PM me if you need any other info, i did quite a lot of study on this HID stuff.

panky12345 · 29th March 2007, 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Replaced Tata Safari OEM Philips 60/55W with Osram Silverstar 60/55W(Back home in Ludhiana). The packing says 50%+. 300Rs for a pair.

The result : The night turned into day. While fitting andt testing at TASS, another guy with a safari came and asked, where did we get it. By the time we finished with the job card formalities(A retro fit job) he had already come back with a pair for his safari

so impressed was he with the light.

They look better than my 100/90W Narva!

Tanveer, where these can be sourced? Also, if I put these in my indica, would it require relay and all? ( i mean being 60/55W)

tsk1979 · 29th March 2007, 16:57

They are 60/55W so no relay needed.
You need to call up osram. Get their number from osramindia.com, call up and ask for a dealer in your area.
I found out the number of ludhiana dealer from the chd office.
You can call up these
SEE THE WORLD IN A NEW LIGHT

gigy · 29th March 2007, 18:28

panky brother,
did you buy osram silverstar for Rs300?
i bought them for 15 pounds!!!!!!!!... what a waste of money

mail4ajo · 29th March 2007, 18:36

TSK, I have converted to 100/90 Philips rallye some time earlier with new wiring harness and relay. I am very happy except for 2 recent blow outs. I asked to check the lines and told my service guy that he is responsible for the next blowout.

Can I use the Osram 60/55W on the it without changing the wiring harness to stock?

tsk1979 · 29th March 2007, 23:40

You don't need to rechange the wiring back to stock.
Just plug and play. If you are happy with 100/90W currently why change back, unless you suspect that 100/90W are duplicate.

Beware of philips duplicates, they are dime a dozen. While checking out the Osrams I saw few samples of Bluevision which were definitely duplicate. Shoddy quality, etc., were clear giveaways.

20th March 2007, 10:30	#271
naman BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 132 Thanked: 11 Times	hey ... need the headlights upgrade for city zx vtec.... keen on philips rally 100/90 with relay... please clear me of a few doubts... 1. do i need a ceramic holder 2. is the black coating on the stock bulb culprit for poor headlights in city 3. do i need any changes in the reflector.... i usually drive in night... and i love driving fast... so i need the eyes !!!
	() Thanks

20th March 2007, 10:53	#272
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,695 Thanked: 22,413 Times View My Garage	naman 1. You may need one. Its good to have. Many people run 100/90W without ceramic holders, but some face problems, so its a good to have thing, and it is not too expensive 2. No, the black coating will be there on all bulbs 3. Nope, I am running 100/90 without any change. If you get fake bulbs, they do not have UV resistant glass, and that will damage your reflector.
	() Thanks

20th March 2007, 17:13	#273
naman BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 132 Thanked: 11 Times	thanks a lot for the help... please advice a good dealer in south delhi. and i guess there is no B&W for the bulbs.... how do i make out if its genuine or not. and which relay is good.... i visited a dealer in Def Co... he first said no relay was needed.. but when i persisted he said he will get boston relay... pl confirm if its ok. and how to find if a relay is genuine !!
	() Thanks

20th March 2007, 19:22	#275
gbpscars BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 402 Thanked: 5 Times	Headlamp alignment Could someone please help me with headlamp alignment? This is for an OHC VTEC. I can see the points that say U<->D and L<->R for Up-Down and Left-Right on the casing. I can also see the screws. Of course I will be using the manual procedure to align. But they dont seem to be easily reachable. What I dont understand is why would it be in such a hard to reach location while this is such a necessary thing to be done. Wish I had the new post-2005 auto levelers. Thanks to anyone who will help on this. Last edited by gbpscars : 20th March 2007 at 19:26.
	() Thanks

26th March 2007, 11:54	#276
pshyamsundar BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 130 Thanked: 0 Times	Osram silverstar bulbs are available in bangalore. I have them on my swift. its 60/55 rating. its definetely better than the OEM fitting. I have done some highway driving with these and my observation is they are good for driving only till about 10pm. After which you will encounter these real high beam fellows with those eye blinding light. you can take these folks and you cant make them dim their light with osram silverstar. I think for them only option would be get 100/90 bulbs preferably osram silverstar. But you need those relays and stuff and the maruti guys will always crib about warranty and stuff like that. I have written a strong letter to maruti customer care about the poor quality of OEM light. Let me see if they get back to me.
	() Thanks

28th March 2007, 13:41	#277
panky12345 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,697 Thanked: 171 Times	Can somebody let me know that where is a good shop in delhi to get my lightning upgraded ( i mean the bulbs & relay). Is anything else needed for indica apart from bulbs and relay? how much will it cost?
	() Thanks

28th March 2007, 23:20	#278
s0uljah Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 2,222 Thanked: 26 Times View My Garage	Sorry if this has allready been covered in this thread. What are the main things to keep in mind while opting for an HID kit ? I know that the brightness isnt related to the different temps (eg6k/8k/12k etc) and this only has to do with the colour. More specifically for the swift is at an h4/h7 fitment? My friend is purchasing a China manufactured HID conversion kit, seems to be of a decent company who is OEM manufacture for some cars apparently. Anyway this is what is being offered in a High/Low Xenon kit Basic Fittings 2 x HID Bulbs (Bulb type and Color Temperature can be chosen) 2 x Ballasts ( with built-in starter/igniter for better performance) 2 x secure Mounting Brackets All necessary install accessories Main Technical Parameter Input Voltage : Dc 8-18v Starting up Instant Voltage : AC 23000V Steady Power : 35W2W Ambient Temperature : -40--- +105 He doesnt know anythign about lighting... and neither do I. I had read somethign about projectors etc when using xenon/hid in this thread too. What do they cost?
	() Thanks

29th March 2007, 01:13	#279
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,695 Thanked: 22,413 Times View My Garage	Replaced Tata Safari OEM Philips 60/55W with Osram Silverstar 60/55W(Back home in Ludhiana). The packing says 50%+. 300Rs for a pair. The result : The night turned into day. While fitting andt testing at TASS, another guy with a safari came and asked, where did we get it. By the time we finished with the job card formalities(A retro fit job) he had already come back with a pair for his safari so impressed was he with the light. They look better than my 100/90W Narva! Last edited by tsk1979 : 29th March 2007 at 01:15.
	() Thanks

29th March 2007, 16:38	#280
gbpscars BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 402 Thanked: 5 Times	s0uljah, in fact i have been hunting around for ideas for finding an old projector housing for a H7 6000K HID kit that I got from Germany. i'm planning to fix them as accessory lighting - on a driving lamp housing or a fog lamp housing, or a customised alignment that can cover a large area ahead of my car, of course without the glare to oncoming traffic. but the search is proving to be futile for a decent projector lens. i looked for it with Skoda, Hyundai for accident cars, but havent had any luck until now. i just have their numbers and will have to call them during my long leave next week. will keep you posted about it. you can always buy them from ebay.com, but will work out expensive and is stupid to fit in a rebased H7 in a OEM projector that they sell. PM me if you need any other info, i did quite a lot of study on this HID stuff. Last edited by gbpscars : 29th March 2007 at 16:40.
	() Thanks

29th March 2007, 16:57	#282
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,695 Thanked: 22,413 Times View My Garage	They are 60/55W so no relay needed. You need to call up osram. Get their number from osramindia.com, call up and ask for a dealer in your area. I found out the number of ludhiana dealer from the chd office. You can call up these SEE THE WORLD IN A NEW LIGHT
	() Thanks

29th March 2007, 18:28	#283
gigy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,321 Thanked: 46 Times	panky brother, did you buy osram silverstar for Rs300? i bought them for 15 pounds!!!!!!!!... what a waste of money
	() Thanks

29th March 2007, 18:36	#284
mail4ajo Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,957 Thanked: 330 Times View My Garage	TSK, I have converted to 100/90 Philips rallye some time earlier with new wiring harness and relay. I am very happy except for 2 recent blow outs. I asked to check the lines and told my service guy that he is responsible for the next blowout. Can I use the Osram 60/55W on the it without changing the wiring harness to stock?
	() Thanks

29th March 2007, 23:40	#285
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,695 Thanked: 22,413 Times View My Garage	You don't need to rechange the wiring back to stock. Just plug and play. If you are happy with 100/90W currently why change back, unless you suspect that 100/90W are duplicate. Beware of philips duplicates, they are dime a dozen. While checking out the Osrams I saw few samples of Bluevision which were definitely duplicate. Shoddy quality, etc., were clear giveaways.
	() Thanks

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