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Old 19th June 2020, 10:17   #301
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That's crazy if it indeed happened, because MG has spent millions setting up a factory here. There are not full imports. It will only hurt business
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This has already happened. A MG Hector has been vandalised in Delhi already after it was brought home from the showroom. Chinese or not, no one has the right to damage someone else's property like this. The owner has bought the asset using his own money, not the taxpayer's.
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We are drifting off topic - but should recognise that the bulk of the value of any product goes to the shareholders and those who designed it - not to those who assemble it. Hence whether the MG Hector has 100% Indian components or not is irrelevant, it is a Chinese product. Made by a State owned Chinese company. And the Communist Party of China run government and the People’s Liberation Army directly benefit when one buys it. The same applies for lots of other brands - Volvo, Pirelli, Oppo, Vivo, One Plus, Xiaomi, Haier, Lenovo (including the ThinkPad) etc.

Exactly! And this is a concept that people very conveniently choose to overlook.

India buys 8 crore mobiles per year. Even if we assume a margin of 1000 Rs per mobile, thats 8000 crore earning. Per year. Thats 8000 crore gone from the forex reserves. And I dont even want to start on fiscal deficit and balance of payments and what not.
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While the intent is good to develop value-adding manufacturing technology in India, I am not in support of a closed economy. I remember during my stint with M&M, the amount of innovation the Indian component manufacturers (rane, Motherson, etc) used to develop to fight off the cheaper chinese counterparts. Needless to say, there are millions of Indian jobs which depend on Chinese supply chains across the globe (shipping, trade, finance and the likes).

To be cheeky, wherever your mobiles/laptops are assembled, it will always be powered by a core Chinese LiOn battery.
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We are drifting off topic - but should recognise that the bulk of the value of any product goes to the shareholders and those who designed it - not to those who assemble it.
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For a company with Chinese origin, the biggest chunk of the profit will be repatriated to China and that is what matters the most.

For example: A Tata Harrier might be using a sunroof manufactured by a Chinese company. Assuming sales price, sale of 1 Harrier will add 1L in revenue for the sunroof OEM but will add 20L in revenue to Tata's bucket. If we assume that Webasto (a German company) contract manufactures its sunroof in China, then the addition to Chinese economy would be even lower.

EDIT: A second thought that came to my mind. Isn't China one of the biggest market for JLR group?

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Completely agree with the view that the biggest benefactors of a company doing well is its majority shareholders. When compared to that, the value from the economic activity at the destination country in assembling or selling is trivial.

That said, I think we should not discuss this in the Hector review thread, What we are discussing has nothing to do with the engineering of the car or its capabilities. Let this thread stay as a one-stop point for potential customers to know about the utility provided by the car. Ultimately this is still a free market and everyone will choose the one which gives him the biggest value. This discussion is best suited for the India-China rivalry thread.

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More importantly, we need to distinguish between Chinese products and Chinese brands. While there may be case for avoiding Chinese products, if a Chinese brand is being manufactured in India , its a different ball game.
Manufacturing in India leads to creation of jobs, directly and indirectly and revenue for the government. Can you imagine the loss of jobs and revenue if MG, for one shut their factory.?
And lets us not fool ourselves that American or other products are not Chinese . The only thing American in a an Apple product is the brand, the everything inside is Chinese.

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Trust me, I don't like China. So that's out of the way.

To get the facts straightened - China invaded India in 1962 after the "Forward Policy" from India sent soldiers without full fledged policy & planning for any Chinese reaction in areas that were originally just "left aside". There was never an agreed border in Aksai Chin in those days after independence. At the end of hostilities, the Chinese returned what was their controlled part of NEFA (Arunachal Pradesh today) after a pretty voluntarily declared cease-fire when India was already on back-foot in '62. Look from the Chinese perspective and they were of the opinion that India tried to occupy a part of their land that was never settled with the British due to other priorities. (Of course, I want the Aksai Chin region of Ladakh together with Pangong Tse to be part of India, no question about it.) India's border disputes with China & Pakistan are very different. Pakistan's claims are criminal pretty much. China's on the other hand are complicated since a long time.
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..The only thing American in a an Apple product is the brand, the everything inside is Chinese.
Not true. As a semiconductor industry insider and having worked directly with Apple as a client, i can tell you Apple is as american as it gets. All the design/IP/software is US. That is where are the smarts are and the value add is. Most of the semiconductor comes from outside China. China mostly only assembles the phones.
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Not true. As a semiconductor industry insider and having worked directly with Apple as a client, i can tell you Apple is as american as it gets. All the design/IP/software is US. That is where are the smarts are and the value add is. Most of the semiconductor comes from outside China. China mostly only assembles the phones.
Lets take a cheap phone with Qualcomm processor - the chips are designed in US of A and manufactured by TSMC or Samsung just like Apple`s chips either in Taiwan or Korea , the software is Android from US, everything is run by google from US, display is from Samsung (Korean), Camera is form Sony (Japanese).

So my Redmi phone is not really all that Chinese although its made in China, just like an iPhone.
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Hector's vs rivals' sales performance since its launch in India.

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Slogans like "Digital Strike" made in public also dont help the cause. I dont understand why so much frenzy has to be built around this matter. If at all you want to make a noteworthy impact via Atmanirbhar, beware that the road ahead is a long one. Let's not start with a bang and end with a whimper.
Theatrics cannot make you design and develop a microprocessor. They can only help you burn it on the street.
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It just struck me that this car is so aptly named, considering the country of origin!

The Cambridge dictionary confirms the meaning of Hector as, “to talk and behave towards someone in a loud and unpleasantly forceful way, especially in order to get them to act or think as you want”

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