Fiat Classic Club - Hyderabad (FCCH)

hillram · 10th April 2010, 19:22

Myself and Shiva made a detailed inspection the car this evening.We found out that:
- Car is a 1993 Make Premier Padmini BE
- It seems to have S1 head
- Carburattor is Piersburg (as rightly pointed by Behram sir)
- Floor gear box could be Nissan,but we are not sure of this.

Manish,I was told that the air vents were not only restricted to S1 and few models of Padmini did come with them.Anyway that doesnt reduce the confusion.
IMHO the car is only 50% original from my standards.
Indeed now its a difficult decision to acquire the car or not.

kavesh55 · 10th April 2010, 20:33

Dear all- if its 1993, then its not an S1, 1995 was the year s1 was launched till 1997. i have seen the cars of all three years. some difference in the seat material otherwise more or less same.

If theres still is the confusion. Please look out for the radiator, if its in the extreme right corner nor centre with a electric fan. its an S1

Thats what i had done when i got my car, just like its a boy ad of pulsar.
Even the exhaust manifold will have two instead of one pipe from the manifold.

As you said the head is of S1, what was the benefit of S1 head over regular heads ? can it be fitted ?
Behram your views please.

adheesh · 10th April 2010, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillram

To clear few things:
- This car is a 1993 Deluxe BE as per the RC book.
- Weber carburattor is fitted as I have removed the air filter and seen it myself.
- AC is an after fitment and not company fitted.
- am not sure of the NE gear box,but will have it checked soon.Though the gear shifts have been extremely smooth,which is possible with only a NE gear box.

All this is very much possible. Atleast from the photographs the car is clearly an S1. Apart from the obvious differences like the cooling system, even the small details (like the distinguished brake oil reservoir) point towards the car being an S1. Conversion would have been a possibility, but the detail to which the car has S1 nitigrities, that possibility has also been ruled out. Please check if the groves near the sparkplug are like Padmini ones or fully filled with metal. All S1 cylinder heads had these groves filled with metal. However the non-existence of S1 in 1993 is also true. The only acceptable explanation I could think of would be that the chassis plate has been changed for whatsoever reasons. Believe me, this is very much possible, can be done and is done regularly.

Regards,
Adheesh Parelkar

Cyberdoctorind · 10th April 2010, 21:35

Ok point taken, but the mechanic clearly says that they have modified the cooling system to that of a S1 which initially was like the old PP. Another interesting point here is about the head itself it has the manifold heating pod (pipe channeled from the radiator to the intake manifold -- like the one's present in the original 1100's from fiat) which tends me to believe that its a s1 head. So if one needs to believe that the chassis plate has been modified then the theory of mechanic strongly saying about the conversion of the cooling system and the car indeed being a 93 Be will not be correct. I have checked the plate where the eng / chassis number is present and it says H93 I should have compared the chassis number embosed on the chassis with the one on the plate.

arun1100 · 11th April 2010, 00:19

So its a 1993 PP Deluxe BE which is fitted with S1 head and cooling system. Gearbox might be of Nissan.

Hillram: Have you purchased the car already?

hillram · 11th April 2010, 01:38

@Arun..I havent purchased yet.Im a little hesitant with the gear box as i wanted a Nissan Gearbox.We are unable to tell this.
another worry is the presence of Piersburg carburrator,which according to Behram sir,were not good in performence.I was under the impression it has Weber carb.
Inspite of this, it seems to be a good car and Shiva also vouched for it.
I will decide in a day or two.

arun1100 · 11th April 2010, 01:50

Ram: You already have two lovely Fiats.

I feel your next Fiat/Padmini should be a similar one rather than a mix and match car.

Some pics of a immaculately maintained S1 in Bengaluru. A real treat to our eyes!

Samsag: Your S1 is same variant as this S1.? But the meter doesn't seem to have the hand brake warning light.

Karthik1100 · 11th April 2010, 02:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by arun1100

Ram: You already have two lovely Fiats.

I feel your next Fiat/Padmini should be a similar one rather than a mix and match car.

Some pics of a immaculately maintained S1 in Bengaluru. A real treat to our eyes!

Samsag: Your S1 is same variant as this S1.? But the meter doesn't seem to have the hand brake warning light.

OH this is Rs. 1,00,000 car right?

hillram · 11th April 2010, 03:17

Indeed Arun..this is a immaculate S1.
You have understood me correctly.I dont want to go for a Fiat which has been blended with various non-orginal parts,though the performence of the car is good.

Cyberdoctorind · 11th April 2010, 07:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillram

Indeed Arun..this is a immaculate S1.
You have understood me correctly.I dont want to go for a Fiat which has been blended with various non-orginal parts,though the performence of the car is good.

Ram, a noteworthy point here the chassis number AFAIK should have BE stamped on it if it is a BE car. I dont know whether it is a mandate or not. Attaching the picture of my engine bay

samsag12 · 11th April 2010, 09:21

In my recent posts i stated that it must be a mix and match car(deluxe BE). And it indeed is. Anyways IMHO Ram bhai don't pick it up unless you get it for 5K bucks

Its useless to buy it and get it in original shape. Will cost you a lot to bring back its originality. So leave it for someone else.
@arun1100 Arun bhai the pics of white S1 you posted seems in immaculate condition. The owner must be very passionate about his car. Yes sir my S1 is the same variant S1 as this one. It had the same rexine door pads, upholstery etc and other things but due to wear and tear they have been replaced. Attached is the pic of the different variants of S1 offered during its launch.
NOTE the BU stated version.

arun1100 · 11th April 2010, 11:42

Ram: I think your next Fiat should be either a -
Premier President
or
Safari
or
S1.

Parts for President are difficult to source. Now is the right time to buy one and restore to originality.

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 11th April 2010, 11:54

Arun, the white S1 looks in immaculate condition. Just saw the engine compartment, not even a speck of dust on it

Spike

arun1100 · 11th April 2010, 12:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

Arun, the white S1 looks in immaculate condition. Just saw the engine compartment, not even a speck of dust on it

Spike

Yeah Spike.. It belongs to a Doctor. He is seen in one of the pics. This S1 is his 8th Fiat, his first car being a 1954 Fiat 1100! I just couldn't believe it.

We initially thought the car was for sale. But it is not.

P.S: Hope you too will buy a Fiat 1100 sometime and start a Fiat Club in Kerala!

Cyberdoctorind · 11th April 2010, 12:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by arun1100

Yeah Spike.. It belongs to a Doctor. He is seen in one of the pics. This S1 is his 8th Fiat, his first car being a 1954 Fiat 1100! I just couldn't believe it.

We initially thought the car was for sale. But it is not.

Does he still retain all the cars

10th April 2010, 19:22	#421
hillram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,942 Thanked: 1,326 Times View My Garage	Myself and Shiva made a detailed inspection the car this evening.We found out that: - Car is a 1993 Make Premier Padmini BE - It seems to have S1 head - Carburattor is Piersburg (as rightly pointed by Behram sir) - Floor gear box could be Nissan,but we are not sure of this. Manish,I was told that the air vents were not only restricted to S1 and few models of Padmini did come with them.Anyway that doesnt reduce the confusion. IMHO the car is only 50% original from my standards. Indeed now its a difficult decision to acquire the car or not.
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10th April 2010, 20:33	#422
kavesh55 BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 748 Thanked: 49 Times	Dear all- if its 1993, then its not an S1, 1995 was the year s1 was launched till 1997. i have seen the cars of all three years. some difference in the seat material otherwise more or less same. If theres still is the confusion. Please look out for the radiator, if its in the extreme right corner nor centre with a electric fan. its an S1 Thats what i had done when i got my car, just like its a boy ad of pulsar. Even the exhaust manifold will have two instead of one pipe from the manifold. As you said the head is of S1, what was the benefit of S1 head over regular heads ? can it be fitted ? Behram your views please.
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10th April 2010, 21:35	#424
Cyberdoctorind BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 183 Thanked: 48 Times	Ok point taken, but the mechanic clearly says that they have modified the cooling system to that of a S1 which initially was like the old PP. Another interesting point here is about the head itself it has the manifold heating pod (pipe channeled from the radiator to the intake manifold -- like the one's present in the original 1100's from fiat) which tends me to believe that its a s1 head. So if one needs to believe that the chassis plate has been modified then the theory of mechanic strongly saying about the conversion of the cooling system and the car indeed being a 93 Be will not be correct. I have checked the plate where the eng / chassis number is present and it says H93 I should have compared the chassis number embosed on the chassis with the one on the plate.
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11th April 2010, 00:19	#425
arun1100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,087 Thanked: 5,577 Times View My Garage	So its a 1993 PP Deluxe BE which is fitted with S1 head and cooling system. Gearbox might be of Nissan. Hillram: Have you purchased the car already?
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11th April 2010, 01:38	#426
hillram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,942 Thanked: 1,326 Times View My Garage	@Arun..I havent purchased yet.Im a little hesitant with the gear box as i wanted a Nissan Gearbox.We are unable to tell this. another worry is the presence of Piersburg carburrator,which according to Behram sir,were not good in performence.I was under the impression it has Weber carb. Inspite of this, it seems to be a good car and Shiva also vouched for it. I will decide in a day or two. Last edited by hillram : 11th April 2010 at 01:44.
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11th April 2010, 01:50	#427
arun1100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,087 Thanked: 5,577 Times View My Garage	Ram: You already have two lovely Fiats. I feel your next Fiat/Padmini should be a similar one rather than a mix and match car. Some pics of a immaculately maintained S1 in Bengaluru. A real treat to our eyes! Samsag: Your S1 is same variant as this S1.? But the meter doesn't seem to have the hand brake warning light. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by arun1100 : 11th April 2010 at 01:53.
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11th April 2010, 03:17	#429
hillram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,942 Thanked: 1,326 Times View My Garage	Indeed Arun..this is a immaculate S1. You have understood me correctly.I dont want to go for a Fiat which has been blended with various non-orginal parts,though the performence of the car is good.
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11th April 2010, 09:21	#431
samsag12 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: City of Nawaabs Posts: 1,624 Thanked: 242 Times View My Garage	In my recent posts i stated that it must be a mix and match car(deluxe BE). And it indeed is. Anyways IMHO Ram bhai don't pick it up unless you get it for 5K bucks Its useless to buy it and get it in original shape. Will cost you a lot to bring back its originality. So leave it for someone else. @arun1100 Arun bhai the pics of white S1 you posted seems in immaculate condition. The owner must be very passionate about his car. Yes sir my S1 is the same variant S1 as this one. It had the same rexine door pads, upholstery etc and other things but due to wear and tear they have been replaced. Attached is the pic of the different variants of S1 offered during its launch. NOTE the BU stated version. Attached Thumbnails
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11th April 2010, 11:42	#432
arun1100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,087 Thanked: 5,577 Times View My Garage	Ram: I think your next Fiat should be either a - Premier President or Safari or S1. Parts for President are difficult to source. Now is the right time to buy one and restore to originality.
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11th April 2010, 11:54	#433
SPIKE ARRESTOR Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,854 Thanked: 1,532 Times	Arun, the white S1 looks in immaculate condition. Just saw the engine compartment, not even a speck of dust on it Spike
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