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BHPian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Pune
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| ![]() Just came across this for Tata Vista, , It gives us an idea about the Zest and Bolt atleast. |
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There is no reason to make such excuses for the industry, although they probably welcome it. | ||
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BHPian Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: BLR/SAN
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BHPian Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: BLR/SAN
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For example, check this for BMW 3 Series. The BMW 3 series sedan was redesigned for the 2012 model year. Beginning with 2016 models, a front suspension change was made to better control wheel movement during small overlap frontal crashes. The change, however, wasn't enough to improve the car's performance in the small overlap test. Structure The driver's space was not maintained well, with maximum intrusion of the lower interior of 31 cm at the footrest. Upper interior intrusion was much less, measuring 8 cm at the upper hinge pillar and 5-6 cm at the instrument panel. The dummy's right foot was trapped between the brake pedal and toepan, and the pedal had to be cut off to free the foot. Injury measures Measures from the dummy indicate that injuries to the left lower leg, left foot, and right lower leg would be possible in a crash of this severity. Compare that to Subaru Impreza Structure The driver space was maintained well, with maximum intrusion of the lower interior of 12 cm at the footrest and maximum intrusion of the upper interior of 4 cm. Injury measures Measures taken from the dummy indicate a low risk of any significant injuries in a crash of this severity. | |
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Do you think Renault and Mahindra do not make safe cars for domestic market because they still don't know how to? Do you realize that these OEMs are building export spec crash-tested cars and selling them overseas? Quote:
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MSIL has added 6000/- to the Alto800's price for a driver airbag. If the entry level cars become 20000/- more expensive because they are crash-worthy and come with 2 airbags, will they suddenly go out of reach of car buyers? They won't. The extra 20000/- will be a small amount in EMI terms. Ultimately, it is only the auto industry and its complacence and severe lack of ethics that has to be blamed. There is no other excuse for selling death-traps to ill-informed buyers. | |||
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It's the manufacturers that give step-motherly treatment to Indian versions are cars because our road safety policy which is an like infant since it's birth and has never matured. We can copy and implement United Nations Decade of Action for Road Safety 2011-2020, but the government doesn't want to. Quote:
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BHPian ![]() Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Udupi, M'lore
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| ![]() Absolutely correct. All those cars which fared badly in NCAP tests are actually the best sellers in India. Take celerio, for example. at least 10 people in my friend circle and neighborhood ''upgraded' to celerio in last one year. Hyundai Eon is the darling of first time car buyers and Scorpio is the dream SUV of youngsters in rural and urban India. All these things point to one fact that, we Indians don't care about safety. Show us something new and shiny with a Suzuki/Hyundai logo on it and we jump in the line and buy it. Some of these cars (Eon) even have a place reserved on the dashboard to keep idols of your beloved gods and deities as they know that you need all the divine blessings that you can get when you drive their cars on road |
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BHPian Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: kolkata
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| ![]() DEAR FRIENDS, Hello to fellow Team BHP Brethrens. Had been quietly reading and following the debate, mostly after the recent publication of the crash test results. One thing is very clear. Most Indians are Confused and Baffled by the test result. Most educated and 99% fellow Brethrens are Enraged by the Betrayal by the Home Grown and Trusted brands. One thing to remember is, after today's publishing of the test results by CSE Labs for the the 'BREAD, PAO, BURGER AND PIZZA' Industry is, that, we Educated , White collar Professionals are responsible for most of the Mess, in our Country regarding, Food, Beverages,Drinking Water, Environment, Medicine, Building, Roads, Vehicle 9car, bus, trucks, etc) Safety, to name a few . Who is to be Blamed for all these. Bureaucrats:- Yes, they are us only, young I.A.S., OR SCIENTIST ARE MANNING ALL THE MAJOR DECISION MAKING POSTS. ALL 1980-S BATCHES ARE NEARLY RETIRING, AND VERY FEW . Scientific Departments of the Government: Yes, again, all young and highly educated are manning and heading the government department. Nearly all heads visit E.U, OR US OR SOUTH EAST COUNTRIES, once a year, to update their knowledge base and training. Government Regulatory Bodies and Other Watchdogs:- Mostly headed by Ex- Bureaucrats and staffed by B-or C Grade Reserved Category People, but again; Educated, and Trained by white collar professionals, from time to time. (as far as i know, their training calendars is about 25-30 days per year, as government understands the necessity to train the department personnel, to keep abreast with the latest in the field. Re-Commendatory bodies: Hardly any existed till 2014; now a few are there, but all related with financial institutions. here again, white collar, scholars are manning the posts. So Friends, now if we look on the other sides, all MNCs , and Indian Industries are headed by highly educated Youths or middle aged people, who have studied in India or Abroad. Very people like Lallo , or Mamata or Mayavati or Mulayam or Say Rahul or Sonia. Coming to point, All these highly influential people have jammed the inflow of technology and wherewithal required to uplift the lives of the common users. Its not the White People who have denied the technology or the resources. Its our own, who have stood in front of the boards, and said, " Sir, Not required, We will mange the Government. Sir, Indian People not able to digest, progress, Sir. Sir, Sir Sir Please Sir. : Whether its our own google head Pichola or microsoft head or nissan or renault or any. We know how we indians postulate before the white skin or even our company heads. Its from my experience in medical field, abroad, for last 23 years and the same for my wife's in building industry, in middle east, EU AND south east Asia. Hope i have been able to put my case. Its upto, us indians, who have to demand and press our case in each place where we work and take our salary from, for our fellow countrymen. Last edited by Zappo : 24th May 2016 at 13:13. Reason: back to back posts merged. |
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BHPian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: New Delhi
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The answer perhaps lies in the Indian consumer and his supposedly rational choices. Look at the sale of TATA cars. And compare them to the number of tin cans on the road. That pretty much summarises the entire argument. | |
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BHPian ![]() Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Mumbai
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| ![]() I for one disagree that the government should make certain safety equipment mandatory. Primarily because it implies that the Govt is more intelligent and can make the better choice with regards to such stuff. I find that line of thinking parochial and out of place. Imagine if someone in the Govt decided that all cars will come with an electronic speed limit of 80kph. It's a much easier fix than putting airbags, ABS etc and can be easily retrofitted in all ECU as well. Some idiots will still find a way to cause massive damages. The Govt should focus on educating. Jago Grahak Jago is the right way to go. The video of eunuchs at a traffic signal asking people to belt up is in the right direction. The only person fit to decide is the consumer. And the consumer continues to choose in favour of these cars. Who are we to tell a person what safety feature she should buy just because we made a different choice? Make your own choice and don't try to berate the choice of others. Any person inherently knows the value of her life. However, that doesn't mean that everyone goes and buys insurance. Risk management is a function of probability and impact. Most people do the math and conclude that the cost of insuring is just too high. They choose to self-insure. A similar example would be in the area of car insurance. So many people have only the 3rd party insurance, many have none! ![]() |
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BHPian ![]() Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Kolkata
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| ![]() Lets keep global players aside, even our very own Maruti Suzuki is mature enough to produce safe cars for imports but not for the domestic market. Quote:
Yes sir you are right, 1 USD=68 INR & 1 Euro=75 INR, so our fellow Indian's life is definitely 68/75 times lower compared to their American or European counterparts. | |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() I think this is consumers choice. It's a risk factor. Personal example - I wear a helmet, jacket and gloves on two wheelers, where as my dad doesn't. One day after sitting for a while and speaking with him, I realised that he has accepted the risk and still doesn't want to wear a helmet. So that's an informed decision. While I'm completely against such behaviour, I do understand the fact that it's ultimately his choice to make. We - teamBHPians - can only ensure that the consumer is aware of the risks. That's all. For a celerio owner, buying a safe car may not be more important than 4 speakers and a good head unit. But yes, those of who brought these airbag equipped cars thinking they are safe should be refunded by the maker. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Delhi
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I had recently shared a brief story on how my father-in-law met with another accident while on a two-wheeler. He can afford an S-class but decides to use his scooter because its convenient in the narrow lanes of Chandni Chowk. When I spoke to him his attitude towards riding a two-wheeler was similar. He, like many millions in India, rely much more on their deity instead of worrying about how a two-wheeler is extremely unsafe compared to a car. He says, jo hona hai woh already likha hai, time se pehle mujhe kuch nahin hoga (Whatever is supposed to happen is predestined, before my time nothing can happen to me) And this is after he's had several minor accidents and recently when he broke 2 or 3 of his ribs and lost a lot of flesh n blood in his hands and legs. Another incident which should explain how many people's mind works is when I left my Swift parked at my in-laws' place when I went for a vacation abroad. One night before I came back some crooks decided to make off with car batteries in the lane where my car was also parked. Now many of you would know that a Wagon-R (not sure about the latest model though) has a bonnet opening mechanism which can be operated with ease by simply getting underneath the car and which is why its a battery thief's favourite. Long story short, I was told that the only reason my car battery was left was because there was laddu-gopal (Baby Krishna) idol which was unintentionally left by my wife in the car. We were supposed to hand it over to them but somehow left it in the car. ![]() So, godspeed to the illiterate (and idiot) car buyer who thinks that the Ganesha idol (no offence) on the dashboard is way more protective than an airbag or ABS. | |
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() Despite these crash tests showing the safety of these cars at dangerous levels, people will still buy them. When a Person thinks of saving the extra 1L at the cost of risking his life than asking for a safer model we cant expect things to get fixed soon. I have seen my own friends who have bought Mid variants giving the excuse that we dont drive at dangerous speeds and "city me Airbags aur ABS ki kya jarurat hai". The price difference was hardly about 60-80K which they infact spent later for wheels and audio upgrades, infact more than that. I feel pity but at the same time I know that money has gained more importance than one's Life. My neighbour bought a Scorpio home after seeing this video ![]() Maruti is trying to test the waters by giving the option of ABS/Airbags on the lower end models to see the demand. Infact I observed couple of colleagues in my office option for LXI Swift with Airbags because it was a little over budget(between 6-6.4L). They compromised on ACC and manual windows but went for Airbag options. This is the kind of consumers we need who can force the manufacturer to safety priority than trying to sell models without safety equipments and features. We have so many unnecessary features which otherwise can be compensated by using other wireless devices available in the market today than compromising on safety. We Indians need to have a mindset change to demand the right things though we are doing it to an extent, that extent is not enough to induce manufacturers to make safety features mandatory in every car. |
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