[Rohan265]

Originally Posted by GTO

For that matter, 99.99% of the cars on our roads won't match the EQS' braking ability and inevitably rear-end it.

Does the EQS not have the option to turn off only the AEB since Emergency braking seems to be the bigger issue? Do any other systems cause problems while driving?
IMO, turning off the entire driver assistance due to problems created only by the emergency braking seems counter-productive because ADAS also has some other handy tools such as FCW, blind-spot detection, or rear-crossing warning.

[VRJ]

I’ve experienced this first hand while test driving the Tucson couple of weeks ago. I was on the passenger seat while my friend was driving. We were on a straight road, on the right lane, and a 2W merged in to our lane from the left without a signal to turn right at an intersection. This is something that happens a lot on Indian roads and before we hit the brakes, the ADAS just slammed the brakes soo darn hard and we were all shocked. This is the first time any of us experienced ADAS and it was quite uncomfortable. Fortunately I had my seat belt on, if not, I would’ve broken a tooth or two. The SA himself was surprised.

Not a very practical technology in Indian city roads, especially if you’re living in one of the metros. Although, I think this is a boon on highway drives (especially during the night). Heavy vehicles parked on the left lane has caused numerous accidents and I’m hoping ADAS can save life’s in such scenarios . Regarding lane assist and adaptive cruise control, theoretically they sound nice. But, practically not a fan unless you have access controlled highways with everyone maintaining an average speed and following lane etiquette. From the countless number of highway drives I’ve done, I don’t think I ever had the cruise control set at a speed continuously for more than a minute. There’s always a heavy vehicle that’s on the right lane traveling at one-third the speed limit which just ruins the average speed of our journey. It is what it is.

I feel ADAS should always be optional. Pay Rs. 50k or 1L extra and you get ADAS for the top two variants. Not everyone would use it. What’s the point for paying for a fancy technology that you’ll never use? Just adds to the overall cost.

Cheers!

[psispace]

Originally Posted by abtyagi

Casualties of ADAS in Indian conditions especially in NCR. Near ITO a car in the next lane was coming too close and ADAS decided to apply brakes, Causing the car behind to tail-end the Tuscon.
We haven't even got the mats yet, so not sure if the broken parts will be available at the dealership.

At first, my sympathies for your ordeal with your brand new car. It was heartbreaking when I had a small scratch on my car in the first month, so I can't even imagine what you must be going through. I hope you get your parts soon and can enjoy driving her more. I was seriously eyeing this car because of her level 2 ADAS tech. The AWD only being available in diesel and not getting even a test drive till now are what kept me away.

I would like to put my thoughts on ADAS in India and would be going against the trend in this thread here.

I have been driving an ADAS enabled car for the past decade. It was only in the initial stages that I used to get these minor frights.

I used to be a partially aggressive driver before I got my car. After some time, I started driving in a way as to not trigger the ADAS systems. I effectively became a more cautious driver. I kept a safe distance from the car ahead, stopped late braking and always indicated lane changes. No abrupt accelerations from behind another vehicle for overtaking unless absolutely necessary. I found even this can trigger the collision alert and braking.

It just requires a change in our driving style a bit. Some cars' ADAS systems are well tuned for Indian conditions. Others are not. Although my car was a CBU (Euro spec), I found it coping quite well once I started driving sedately. There are settings in most of these cars were you can adjust the distance to the vehicle in front at which the alarm and brake triggers. I have set it at the closest. I believe the Tucson and other cars also have this setting.

I know its' a little more challenging in urban conditions due to how closely we are followed by vehicles in the rear. Not to mention random bikers and pedestrians who will cut across in front of us. These systems usually don't function at crawling speeds (they don't function in mine), so it makes sense to go it really slow in heavy traffic. Even I was rear ended by bikers and one car during the first few months. Fortunately there was no serious damage like this. Just minor scratches which were easily buffed away at the next water service.

But if you are an enthusiast driver ( wrong terminology, even I am an enthusiast driver ), lets' say 'fast' driver, then its' best to switch of these systems. In this case, it doesn't make sense to buy these cars anyway.

Another problem is that with earlier cars, the ADAS used to function to its' full potential only upto 30 to 40 kmph(as in mine). Newer models are capable at bringing the car to a complete halt without colliding at even higher speeds. This increases the chances of such incidents.

Originally Posted by fiat_tarun

Exactly why ADAS has only marketing value in India and honestly no practical value. ACC is the only thing that I see a use case for considering our highways and expressways are getting better now.

I found it to be quite the opposite. In Kerala where I reside, highways exist only by name and I have rarely used ACC when inside the state. I use it only occasionally to give rest to my right foot for some time, that too only with
less traffic (which is rare here).

I feel more cars with ADAS will make our roads safer. It is we who need to change our driving styles.

I was waiting for the day when these features would be available in the mass market. Even our present generation of Polo had ADAS as option in Europe on its top models. But the VW group, up to date, has not offered it here in any of their models. Nor have any other manufacturer, except for their top end models.

It has been a long wait. I never expected an Indian manufacturer to set the ball rolling. For this, I should congratulate Anand Mahindra and his team for being able to introduce this tech to the masses. He has set the ball rolling. The phrase; "but it doesn't have ADAS", has started creeping into automobile reviews as more and more vehicles have started getting equipped with it, in one level or the other.

Seatbelts, ABS, airbags etc. were not accepted earlier as a must have safety feature in the past. Remember the tag line " I die like a man, I don't wear seatbelts. I'll just brace myself against the steering wheel " ? In this day and age, you wouldn't be caught dead (forgive the pun) buying a new car without these features.

ADAS technology is here to stay and I am happy to say has already started invading our shores. Once the technology becomes more mainstay, it will only be a matter of time that these features become mandatory.

I would request everyone to not discourage the OP that he made a big mistake with this purchase just because of this unfortunate incident.

[jkrishnakj]

I am not even comfortable using the Lane assist function in my A6. I’ve had scary moments when I had accidentally flicked it on in a couple of highway drives. No ways will I ever be comfortable using a feature like ADAS in Indian roads.

[ajayc123]

While Mr Tyagi will get this repaired, and other folks will probably switch it off, I am wondering if Hyundai is taking any accountability for this incident and / or their ADAS that appears to be unsuited for Indian conditions Or are they looking the other way and washing their hands off this one. Should they be accountable?

[fiat_tarun]

Originally Posted by psispace

...
I would like to put my thoughts on ADAS in India and would be going against the trend in this thread here.

I have been driving an ADAS enabled car for the past decade. It was only in the initial stages that I used to get these minor frights.

I used to be a partially aggressive driver before I got my car. After some time, I started driving in a way as to not trigger the ADAS systems. I effectively became a more cautious driver. ...

Isn't the point of ADAS itself lost here ? With your changed driving style, the chances of you getting into a situation where the system would be needed is going to be so rare. In this case you have adapted to how the system works while it should be the other way around - i.e., not advocating a aggressive driving style but a more normal style in tune with our road & traffic conditions.

I found it to be quite the opposite. In Kerala where I reside, highways exist only by name and I have rarely used ACC when inside the state. I use it only occasionally to give rest to my right foot for some time, that too only with
less traffic (which is rare here).

Actually with ACC stop and go, it might make a good use case in Kerala as well with the constantly varying traffic speed. Kerala highways are definitely not the right place for regular cruise control though.

I feel more cars with ADAS will make our roads safer. It is we who need to change our driving styles.

My personal view is that if people are unwilling to change their outlook towards following rules and maintaining some sort of order on the road, the presense of ADAS isn't going to change that. The system will be switched off and everything continues as usual !

We need a full connected ecosytem (V2V & V2X) removing the 'human' from the equation to make our roads like Europe .

[PreludeSH]

Originally Posted by Samurai

Time for a new kind of warning board on the back of these cars?

Attachment 2375199

How about "Engine braking prohibited, ADAS braking prohibited"

[ashivas89]

Originally Posted by ajayc123

I am wondering if Hyundai is taking any accountability for this incident and / or their ADAS that appears to be unsuited for Indian conditions Or are they looking the other way and washing their hands off this one. Should they be accountable?

ADAS irrespective of the brand is is not suitable for Indian roads. I have heard so many stories from Merc owners about near misses because of the systems overreacting.

GTO's post also alludes to the same thing.

These features being offered in the name of oneupmanship is the only thing these manufacturers are doing wrong.

I don't think one can hold the manufacturer accountable for the functions "Working".

[ajayc123]

Originally Posted by ashivas89

ADAS irrespective of the brand is is not suitable for Indian roads. I have heard so many stories from Merc owners about near misses because of the systems overreacting.

GTO's post also alludes to the same thing.

These features being offered in the name of oneupmanship is the only thing these manufacturers are doing wrong.

I don't think one can hold the manufacturer accountable for the functions "Working".

I think they should be launched if they are fit for the purpose in the context.

I would still expect the ADAS to be tuned for typical edge cases like these in India. Maybe, I am expecting too much.

Anyway, so be it.

[Nalin1]

ADAS in India-

Must be under The Official Joke thread .

We operate vehicles in India by coming to an understanding with people/animals around (drivers. riders, pedestrians, dogs, cows).

I move, you move, I stop, you stop, I swerve, you swerve, I honk/flash first, you honk/flash first and a million other tell tale communication skills to keep moving on the road.

The last thing we need is a machine that interferes in this understanding process and does something on its own. ADAS in India will prevent the odd accident on a rare occasion while causing another 10 on the way.

As another BHPian has mentioned above, it is like 2 drivers driving the same car with one driver clueless on Indian driving dynamics.

[ashivas89]

Originally Posted by ajayc123

I would still expect the ADAS to be tuned for typical edge cases like these in India. Maybe, I am expecting too much.

The day engineers are successful in developing a system that works in our conditions, is the day driverless cars become a reality

It will require an insanely well trained AI along with an equally insane amount of processing firepower for that to work, simply because of the infinite perilous scenarios our roads offer.

TBH these features work well mostly in developed nations with disciplined driving only.

[psispace]

Originally Posted by fiat_tarun

Isn't the point of ADAS itself lost here ? With your changed driving style, the chances of you getting into a situation where the system would be needed is going to be so rare. In this case you have adapted to how the system works while it should be the other way around - i.e., not advocating a aggressive driving style but a more normal style in tune with our road & traffic conditions.

I find this adaptation to be favourable towards safety. What we perceive as our normal driving style may not actually be so. Our driving mannerisms are anything but normal. No doubt, our road conditions also attribute in part to our driving style.

As for those rare occasions of interventions. I would value those interventions with their weight in gold. I have been saved quite a number of times by these interventions which would otherwise have resulted in a lot of headaches and monetary loss. There is a sense of cocooning that you have when you know your car has got your back incase of a lapse of concentration.

Actually with ACC stop and go, it might make a good use case in Kerala as well with the constantly varying traffic speed. Kerala highways are definitely not the right place for regular cruise control though.

Personally, with the vehicle density such as one on our roads, I did not find it useful. It is programmed to keep a minimum distance from the car in front when stopping. In India, thats' easily space for one more small car. This space either gets filled by another car or results in incessant honking from behind. Its' more useable while on the move though. Please be aware that mine is the 2011 Volvo S60. My experience is with the ADAS iteration in this vehicle.

[Rajeevraj]

The kind of ADAS that can be useful in India is passive ADAS. Passive ADAS means that the system warns you, but does not take any action by itself. The control is with the driver and it is up to the driver to decide what action is needed. A good passive ADAS system is smart enough to give the right advance notice and also tailor it depending on what kind of alerting is needed.

Somehow we have jumped on to the Active ADAS bandwagon which is not at all suited to Indian condituons.

[wocanak]

Originally Posted by psispace

...
I found it to be quite the opposite. In Kerala where I reside, highways exist only by name and I have rarely used ACC when inside the state. I use it only occasionally to give rest to my right foot for some time, that too only with less traffic (which is rare here).
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First, thanks for your detailed perspective on ADAS. Can you elaborate on why you find ACC to be not so useful?

Like the OP my experience with normal cruise control is that you can hardly keep it on for few minutes on our highways. It just becomes very stressful turning it on/off/adjusting, so I hardly use it. I am imagining that with ACC, this will be much more useful. I have seen videos with Astor ACC seeming to work even in bumper to bumper traffic, though speed needs to be set above 20, it seemed to work well below that.

I was counting on ACC and single pedal driving to help me out as i grow older.

Funny incident, I had only experienced ACC in US (very briefly), I assumed the same when I test drove S-Cross in ORR Bangalore when it was launched. After setting cruise control, car was closing in on the vehicle in front and I am asking the SA why is it not slowing down, he is like, "Sir, you have to brake." After that had a fun conversation with SA about the usefulness of this in India Vs the marketing hype.

[Hayek]

I think the problem arises because too many of us drive too close to other vehicles. The fact is simple - if you ram someone from behind, it is your fault 100% of the time. If someone rams you from behind, it is his fault.

We have had a Tiguan Allspace with Automatic Emergency Braking active which has run over 19000 km. The AEB has activated erroneously a couple of times, mainly when I drive too quickly down a ramp, and once or twice when I left late braking before a signal too late. But it is a critical safety feature and am glad it can’t (as far as I know) be deactivated on the car.