[gtonsing]

Originally Posted by kika

One reason could be due to the fact that the cost of living in Bangalore is very high compared to Mumbai, hence people of low income categories like rickshaw drivers and cabbies have to find ways to make that extra income for their survival.

Cost of living higher than Mumbai? I seriously doubt this. I would be very surprised if this is true!!

[condor]

Coming back to Bangalore:

The new traffic signalling system looks confused. The signals often no longer show the time left for traffic on any side, and most times it is either showing VAC or MNL (Automatic or Manual control). However, the pedestrian crossing indicator module shows the time counter. So one is having to look at that and guess when one is going to get a green.

On top of this, at two signals near Ragigudda Jayanagar today: The pedestrian crossing was showing green even as traffic was moving across. The timer counts down, changes to green, and then red and again back to green - even as traffic is moving.

[sunilch]

Originally Posted by kika

One reason could be due to the fact that the cost of living in Bangalore is very high compared to Mumbai, hence people of low income categories like rickshaw drivers and cabbies have to find ways to make that extra income for their survival.

Hehe, your assumptions seem to be incorrect (cost of living).

And low income does not justify cheating, thuggery and un-ethical behavior that many have reported here. If that were true, you could simple extend the same logic and justify any crime or un-ethical behavior on the face of this earth.

[kika]

Originally Posted by gtonsing

Cost of living higher than Mumbai? I seriously doubt this. I would be very surprised if this is true!!

I wasn't talking on a real estate point of view. My point was more on the lines of everyday expenses.

Originally Posted by sunilch

Hehe, your assumptions seem to be incorrect (cost of living).

And low income does not justify cheating, thuggery and un-ethical behavior that many have reported here. If that were true, you could simple extend the same logic and justify any crime or un-ethical behavior on the face of this earth.

I'm not justifying, neither I'm supporting such behaviors. I just shared my point of view. Such incidents is giving a bad name to a beautiful city for all kinds of silly reasons.

[sunilch]

Originally Posted by kika

I wasn't talking on a real estate point of view. My point was more on the lines of everyday expenses.

I understood that you were not referring to only Real-Estate. But from my understanding, cost of living affects everyone the same nearly (for those in middle class and lower middle class). Yes Mumbai Vada Pav is cheaper and so is travelling in Mumbai locals. But such things are cheaper in all other places too. Replace Vada Pav with Idli Sambar or any such local quick snack. Replace local trains with similar cheap transport (such as busses) in other larger cities.

Relace higher cost of education in Mumbai with something else in Bangalore (say slightly higher cost of Petrol or private transport such as Taxis). Replace higher cost of medical expense in Mumbai with some other such item which is more expensive in Bangalore than in Mumbai.

Net net, cost of living in larger cities in same country (barring Real-Estate) follows the same line.

[binand]

Originally Posted by kika

One reason could be due to the fact that the cost of living in Bangalore is very high compared to Mumbai

Originally Posted by sunilch

Net net, cost of living in larger cities in same country (barring Real-Estate) follows the same line.

You folks might want to look at this:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...index-by-city/

Unfortunately I don't have a premium account there to see where they are sourcing this information from or what is the method used to calculate it - or even, what the rupee equivalent of the 1.5-point difference between Mumbai and Bangalore is. But superficially, it appears that (a) Bangalore does not have higher cost of living than Mumbai, and (b) cost of living in larger cities needn't necessarily be similar.

[115]

Some update on recent traffic situation

Traffic pile up on Marathahalli bridge is significantly increased in the last few weeks on KLM mall side as well as direction coming from Kundalahalli.

Unclear if the signal timing was changed or is it because of other reasons. Easily adding 10-15 mins commute time now

[itwasntme]

BTP getting over-enthusiastic now with AI?

https://www.moneycontrol.com/technol...-12829307.html

[audioholic]

Originally Posted by itwasntme

BTP getting over-enthusiastic now with AI?

https://www.moneycontrol.com/technol...-12829307.html

In a way this is the right step. Next is to start cracking down on the toppers in the pending offences list. That will at least force people to be more diligent. Right now some people have the attitude that they can maintain a big list of pending offences. That will also be busted. One man in a signal recently on his two wheeler was forcing me to move ahead of the stop line so he could jump the signal. I pointed at the cameras behind and told him I dont want a fine(was on my bike as well) and he casually told he has already a lot of pending cases and doesnt care. I then told him he would not be able to sell his two wheeler without clearing that and after that he stopped his attempt of jumping the signal. People here only understand and comply if their pocket is going to take a hit and nothing else. Bring on those extra violations and load people with every type of fine they have never imagined about

[kavensri]

Originally Posted by itwasntme

BTP getting over-enthusiastic now with AI?

And I would be the happiest man on the road, if BTP can fine each and every violator of 'wrongside driving/riding' and 'illegal parking'.

[deathwalkr]

Originally Posted by itwasntme

BTP getting over-enthusiastic now with AI?

It helped here in Kerala. The biggest change i could see was that now Pillion riders are also wearing helmets and even kids seated in front.

There was a general feeling of safe driving during the initial days when the media kept talking about AI cameras and what all they can catch.

But then most of the cams stopped working, media found different stories to tell and people went about their old ways.

But the helmet thing kind of stuck.

So yay?

[Jazzybala]

Originally Posted by kavensri

And I would be the happiest man on the road, if BTP can fine each and every violator of 'wrongside driving/riding' and 'illegal parking'.

What is the point of fining these idiots? Our traffic laws need more harsher punishments for even petty violations for the deterrent effect we require. Else people will keep doing what they do without any worries.

[rajeevsulu]

This attitude of troubling lady drivers and riders is so prevalent these days. I see so many guys doing stunts in front of lady riders as if riding is a "macho" thing. Mid 70"s , when my mother used to drive our Fiat in small town Erode, people actually gave her way. There were just two women who drove cars in my place then. As a small boy of 5, that image of people giving way is stuck in my head.

To this day,I give way to a lady,on two wheels or four.Thanks to the Lovely people of yesteryears.

Cheers

[itwasntme]

Enjoy!

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[airguitar]

Well, seems like the holiday season has ensured that fellow commuters haven't had a reason to rant on this thread . Let me dust this thread off, wipe the rust clean and get things moving.

There seems a new phenomenon called "Drive at an angle" or "Trojan Driving" - which is you giving a perception that you are sticking to your lane, but you are driving at a small angle to the vehicle in the next lane and at an opportune moment you will put your vehicle in such a spot that the other guy cannot now move and will have to let you go. Trojan because, you will appear to be an innocent/distracted driver just lurking at the periphery of your lane until they suddenly make that move in a trice and freeze you. It's becoming all too common in Bangalore given you never know which lane will endup with stalled buses, 'conductor issuing tickets at stage' buses, vehicles taking left turn or right turn from the other extreme, blah blah.

Separately, I did a quick run and back to Kochi over the weekend to pickup my family vacationing there. I'm aghast and reluctantly admit that Bengaluru-registered vehicles are now one of the most undisciplined, unruly, selfish and outright dangerous users of the road in all of South India. I have vehemently defended Bengaluru and it's drivers on these forums being a native Bangalorean and out of pride for my city. I used to argue that every city has it's fair share of bad drivers etc. etc. While that is still true, Bangalore has the highest % (majority if I dare say )in South India. It's also a sad story that these are some of the most well-to-do, highly-educated (formally I mean), high-flying people. A significant percentage of boorishly-driven vehicles on South India's highways are Bangalore registered vehicles. Most of us (I'm including myself to ensure it doesn't look like I'm preachy ) seem to have a bloated sense of importance about ourselves. The bit that screams, "I have started late from my origin, but I have a 25 Lakh car and I will kick some ass to get home by 5pm and enjoy my Social Media time once I get home".

In a sea of calmly moving vehicles from Walayar to Kochi, I could always guess which vehicle was a Bengaluru registered one without looking at it's number plates on this trip. Tell-tale signs: Overspeeding, using more than 2 lanes at the same time, switching lanes without signaling (or heck, without even looking behind), close overtakes (accelerating to 2 feet behind the vehicle at the front on the same lane, overtake and then merge back 2 feet in front of same vehicle that you overtook), LED headlights flashing and blinding you from the IRVM, honking and a bad sense of safety in general. I'm not absolving vehicles from other states or cities, but it was disheartening to see how my fellowmen behaved on the road. We all know that Kerala has speed limits (and more importantly, cameras that will be used to whip you when you are flagged ), but most Bengaluru registered seem to be blissfully unaware of them. I sure hope from the bottom of the heart that they get a truckload of those speeding tickets and that the Kerala MVD fills its coffers more from their payments.

I'm also beginning to observe that many Innova Hycrosses are driving rash and lousy overtake maneuvers, seems like it might acquire some notoriety that people associate with Cretas and Nexon EVs. Talk of monocoque swag.

Lastly, it does feel unsafe to drive slow or sedate on our highways of late (ironically). Staying at the upper speed-limit/a shade under it, I felt more secure because atleast I was ahead of a % of the morons that I was likely to encounter ( but in the process perhaps becoming one of them).

Why am I posting this on this thread? Just to say that the bad driving discipline on the city roads carries on to the highways as well without folks realizing the heightened risks at much higher speeds. Bengaluru drivers need to pull up their socks, plan their journeys better and need to be more respectful towards other users of the road.