Inflating tyres with dry nitrogen

janitha · 14th November 2009, 15:59

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Originally Posted by Ravveendrra

Try it, it costs less than a visit to the petrol pump. Look at it this way - filling N2 in one tyre costs a little less than filling 1 litre of petrol, we fill petrol all our lives. Why not try N2 once.

Cheers,

Seems like saying that the age of miracles is not yet over.

The logic still eludes me. Doesn't the air need be removed fully before 100% N2 can be filled?

Mission_Safari · 14th November 2009, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by janitha

Seems like saying that the age of miracles is not yet over.

The logic still eludes me. Doesn't the air need be removed fully before 100% N2 can be filled?

Some of the IOCL bunks in chennai fill free nitrogen when you fill xtra premium fuel for a minimum of Rs.500. When they fill it for the first time they do deflate the tyres completely before filling it up with Nitrogen.

Ravveendrra · 14th November 2009, 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by janitha

Seems like saying that the age of miracles is not yet over.

The logic still eludes me. Doesn't the air need be removed fully before 100% N2 can be filled?

Those Nitrogen filling machines have a suction device built in them. Air is removed. No miracles at work here.

Cheers,

janitha · 14th November 2009, 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravveendrra

Those Nitrogen filling machines have a suction device built in them. Air is removed. No miracles at work here.

Cheers,

Thanks for the clarification. Now surely going to try it. By the way, here they charge Rs.300/-

architect · 14th November 2009, 22:24

In Delhi, HP pumps were charging Rs 50/- per tyre (with two free top-ups at 1 month/ 3000 km intervals whichever came earlier) and Rs 15/- per tyre for top-up after the first two free ones.

Now that the HP pump guy has disappeared, I have located a guy in Gurgaon who charges Rs 20/- per tyre for filling and Rs 10/- per tyre for top-ups. Typically I get a top-up in 30-45 days. So it costs me Rs 50/- instead of Rs 75/- for top-ups.

gkrishk · 10th December 2009, 11:41

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Originally Posted by CrackedHead

F1 cars and airplanes use nitrogen (non inflammable gas) for just one reason - its non-inflammable properties.

Should things go wrong, a wheel fire is less likely - To quote from this Boeing publication AERO : Wheel and Tire Servicing

"In addition, Boeing has received reports of three confirmed cases and other suspected cases in which a wheel/tire assembly exploded when the oxygen in air-filled tires combined with volatile gases given off by a severely overheated tire. In one case, the tire became overheated as a result of a dragging brake, and the wheel/tire assembly exploded when it reached the auto-ignition temperature. In another case, a wheel/tire assembly explosion in the wheel well during flight was suspected in the catastrophic loss of one airplane. A similar explosion caused severe damage to two others."

Such extreme temperatures are never reached in the average car. Hence Nitrogen has very little benefits for the average car's tyres.

There is good info about this here:Nitrogen in Tyres: Motoring Technical matters forum, including the above quote from Boeing.

anupam00 · 10th December 2009, 11:50

After the Advice of Architect,

My car has gone for Nitrogen Filling @ 40 per tyre & top up@10 per tyre.

The Top up time frame is normally 45 days.I have faced no issues with Nitrogen up till now.

optimist · 10th December 2009, 12:02

How many of you work with compressed air ? Your tyre is also a rough equivalent of the compressor receiver. Please put forward your arguments in support of air or nitrogen.

Those of who do will know why i asked. Please refrain from posting for 2 weeks.

Let us get some expert answers before taking this issue further.

shamanth · 10th December 2009, 12:34

Seeing this thread, I filled my bike FZ-S with Nitrogen. With in a week my bike had two punctures.

Dont know if its co-incident or nitrogen is doing something

ashlyak · 10th December 2009, 13:12

Hi,

I changed to Nitrogen 3 months back. Checked the pressure few days back and nothing less, same reading 33 psi for my WangenR. I am happy, i don't have to stand in the Q frequently.

Also, tyer pressure is one of the main factor for FE, and if we have correct pressure, i i am sure we will be able to maintain good FE

architect · 10th December 2009, 19:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by optimist

How many of you work with compressed air ? Your tyre is also a rough equivalent of the compressor receiver. Please put forward your arguments in support of air or nitrogen.

Those of who do will know why i asked. Please refrain from posting for 2 weeks.

Let us get some expert answers before taking this issue further.

My primary reason for going with Nitrogen is considerable difference in top-up times as I have mentioned earlier. The tyres run cooler on long highway runs, although I cannot quantify that.

I can get into technical and scientific discussion which disprove both of this, but the practical pleasure of not having to fill up air at petrol pump (esp because I hit the pump at 9.00 pm every day) is worth the expense.

SX4LOVER · 10th December 2009, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by architect

In Delhi, HP pumps were charging Rs 50/- per tyre (with two free top-ups at 1 month/ 3000 km intervals whichever came earlier) and Rs 15/- per tyre for top-up after the first two free ones.

Now that the HP pump guy has disappeared, I have located a guy in Gurgaon who charges Rs 20/- per tyre for filling and Rs 10/- per tyre for top-ups. Typically I get a top-up in 30-45 days. So it costs me Rs 50/- instead of Rs 75/- for top-ups.

hi architect. can u give me the name and address/location of the guy in gurgaon. my dad lives there and it will be good for the Indogo XL Classic he has.

architect · 11th December 2009, 01:01

Mahadev tyres Gurgaon 2347111 (add 0124). Don't remember the sector, it is 2 km from Expressway turning left into a road just after IFFCO chowk going towards Delhi (from the Service lane). Best to call up and confirm address.

And don't blame for spreading the nitrogen disease.

abhi3284 · 11th December 2009, 08:57

I upgraded my Alto Tyres to Michelin XM1+ last week and filled Nitrogen in them.
The Tyre Dealer filled it free of charge. I had some Quesries regaring Nirtogen Filling :

1) How frequently should i visit the Tyre Shop for checking Nitrogen?

2) I guess from now on, it will be Nitrogen Top-up, so what are the charges for Top-up. And in case the Tyre Pressure does not decrease, do they still charge you for checking ?

3) I am going outstation next Week in my Car. Should i get the Tyre Pressure checked, even though i filled Nitrogen just 10 Days ago?

navan49 · 11th December 2009, 09:02

Hi guy,

I too run with nitrogen. It was told the pressure check once in 3 months will do. Mine is 45 days old fill. I traveled 1000 kms with out recheck. It is fine. You don't have to check before your long tour. We have to top up with Nitrogen only. I too should explore the top up charges. If we fill xtra mile diesel or speed petron for 1000 and 500 some bulks do free of cost.

14th November 2009, 22:24	#650
architect Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ghaziabad, U. P Posts: 1,363 Thanked: 782 Times	In Delhi, HP pumps were charging Rs 50/- per tyre (with two free top-ups at 1 month/ 3000 km intervals whichever came earlier) and Rs 15/- per tyre for top-up after the first two free ones. Now that the HP pump guy has disappeared, I have located a guy in Gurgaon who charges Rs 20/- per tyre for filling and Rs 10/- per tyre for top-ups. Typically I get a top-up in 30-45 days. So it costs me Rs 50/- instead of Rs 75/- for top-ups.
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10th December 2009, 11:50	#652
anupam00 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NOIDA Posts: 217 Thanked: 489 Times	After the Advice of Architect, My car has gone for Nitrogen Filling @ 40 per tyre & top up@10 per tyre. The Top up time frame is normally 45 days.I have faced no issues with Nitrogen up till now.
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10th December 2009, 12:02	#653
optimist BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 226 Thanked: 87 Times	to determine facts about air and nitrogen. How many of you work with compressed air ? Your tyre is also a rough equivalent of the compressor receiver. Please put forward your arguments in support of air or nitrogen. Those of who do will know why i asked. Please refrain from posting for 2 weeks. Let us get some expert answers before taking this issue further.
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10th December 2009, 12:34	#654
shamanth BANNED Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 1,036 Thanked: 658 Times View My Garage	Seeing this thread, I filled my bike FZ-S with Nitrogen. With in a week my bike had two punctures. Dont know if its co-incident or nitrogen is doing something
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10th December 2009, 13:12	#655
ashlyak BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 56 Thanked: 23 Times	Hi, I changed to Nitrogen 3 months back. Checked the pressure few days back and nothing less, same reading 33 psi for my WangenR. I am happy, i don't have to stand in the Q frequently. Also, tyer pressure is one of the main factor for FE, and if we have correct pressure, i i am sure we will be able to maintain good FE
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11th December 2009, 01:01	#658
architect Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ghaziabad, U. P Posts: 1,363 Thanked: 782 Times	Mahadev tyres Gurgaon 2347111 (add 0124). Don't remember the sector, it is 2 km from Expressway turning left into a road just after IFFCO chowk going towards Delhi (from the Service lane). Best to call up and confirm address. And don't blame for spreading the nitrogen disease.
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11th December 2009, 08:57	#659
abhi3284 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 317 Thanked: 498 Times	I upgraded my Alto Tyres to Michelin XM1+ last week and filled Nitrogen in them. The Tyre Dealer filled it free of charge. I had some Quesries regaring Nirtogen Filling : 1) How frequently should i visit the Tyre Shop for checking Nitrogen? 2) I guess from now on, it will be Nitrogen Top-up, so what are the charges for Top-up. And in case the Tyre Pressure does not decrease, do they still charge you for checking ? 3) I am going outstation next Week in my Car. Should i get the Tyre Pressure checked, even though i filled Nitrogen just 10 Days ago?
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11th December 2009, 09:02	#660
navan49 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CHENNAI Posts: 1,000 Thanked: 73 Times View My Garage	Hi guy, I too run with nitrogen. It was told the pressure check once in 3 months will do. Mine is 45 days old fill. I traveled 1000 kms with out recheck. It is fine. You don't have to check before your long tour. We have to top up with Nitrogen only. I too should explore the top up charges. If we fill xtra mile diesel or speed petron for 1000 and 500 some bulks do free of cost.
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