[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by Shubhendra

Hi All,
My beast has completed around 7700 kms and gone through first and second service. But Engine Oil has not been changed in both the Services and as per SA of TASS there is no need for engine oil change and Engine Oil change will be done at 15,000 kms.
But today when i was going through Service Manual, it was recommending Oil change at every Service.
I am totally confused. Please suggest me Gurus, whether SA was wrong or TML. Should i go for voluntary Service now and change engine oil?

Shubhendra - I underwent exactly the same confusion yesterday when I took my Safari for its first service. Per my owner's manual, service schedule is:

a. 1,000 kms - 1,500 kms or 1 month (whichever is earlier)
b. 5,000 kms - 5,500 kms or 6 months (whichever is earlier)
c. 15,000 kms - 15,500 kms or 1 year (whichever is earlier)
... and every 15,000 kms then on.

Now, the manual says that engine oil, oil filter, and fuel filter are supposed to be changed for each of the above. However, when I brought this point to the notice of the service advisor, he was confident that none of these need to be changed before 15,000 kms!! I showed him my owner's manual and he was confused! He said he will check with his 'seniors' and do the needful, if needed. After 3 hours, he calls me and tells me that he checked with TML guys and it is not needed. I did not buy that and called up TML Area Manager (Customer Service) Karnataka and posed this query to him. Now it was his turn to get confused - he promised to call me back in some time after checking with some more people. He did call me in half an hour and told me that it is definitely not required before 15,000 kms!!! When I told him that this is contrary to what the manual says, he said it is a mis-print. I was as well as - so now what?! He says do not worry sir - no changes required till 15,000 kms of running the vehicle. I did not stop at that - I called up TML Pune and got the same, though more polished, answer - "Given the modern technolgy that our 2.2 engine uses, oil changes are not required before 15,000 kms". Also, he repeated the 'mis-print' theory.

Eventually I gave up and got my Safari back after first service without any of these three being changed! Am planning to get the first oil change done at 7,500 kms though as adviced by ADC and some other TBHP-ians.

Experts/veteran 2.2 VTT owners - please comment/advice.

[sbhaduri]

@cool-dube: It is always better to get the engine oil and oil filter replaced regularly within 5-7k kms and or 6months.This way the engine will remain clean as ever from inside.To prove you would note in his posts that adc had done voluntary oil changes on his Safari at every 7500kms and his old engine was very clean from inside.

Periodic oil and oil filter replacement keeps the engine clean.

[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by sbhaduri

@cool-dube: It is always better to get the engine oil and oil filter replaced regularly within 5-7k kms and or 6months.This way the engine will remain clean as ever from inside.To prove you would note in his posts that adc had done voluntary oil changes on his Safari at every 7500kms and his old engine was very clean from inside.

Periodic oil and oil filter replacement keeps the engine clean.

Agreed - and I am planning to do that irrespective of the 'modern technology' used by the VTT I am more bothered about not changing the oil for the first 7,500 kms!!

[ram.west]

Originally Posted by maheshmenon

The engine problem is back big time, did about 1k km after my previous TASC visit (see previous posts). Just today when I started the truck, the rpm was needle was vibrating at about 500 only , the engine was shaking like crazy ( i mean really crazy) and making quite a racket. service light was remaning on. Attempted two starts but the same issue. had a quick look at the turbo hoses, no anomalies,but i had to shut down the engine fast, the vibes really had me worried that the mount may be damaged if I kept it running.

I want to get TML in the loop now, the customer care e-mail ID hasn't responded. any help will be appretiated!!!

does it emit lot of black smoke? with the whole vehicle shuddering crazy and the rpm going up and down violently ? has your vehicle been done the refitment ??

[dadu]

Originally Posted by cool_dube

Now, the manual says that engine oil, oil filter, and fuel filter are supposed to be changed for each of the above. However, when I brought this point to the notice of the service advisor, he was confident that none of these need to be changed before 15,000 kms!! I showed him my owner's manual and he was confused! He said he will check with his 'seniors' and do the needful, if needed. After 3 hours, he calls me and tells me that he checked with TML guys and it is not needed. I did not buy that and called up TML Area Manager (Customer Service) Karnataka and posed this query to him. Now it was his turn to get confused - he promised to call me back in some time after checking with some more people. He did call me in half an hour and told me that it is definitely not required before 15,000 kms!!! When I told him that this is contrary to what the manual says, he said it is a mis-print. I was as well as - so now what?! He says do not worry sir - no changes required till 15,000 kms of running the vehicle. I did not stop at that - I called up TML Pune and got the same, though more polished, answer - "Given the modern technolgy that our 2.2 engine uses, oil changes are not required before 15,000 kms". Also, he repeated the 'mis-print' theory.

Eventually I gave up and got my Safari back after first service without any of these three being changed! Am planning to get the first oil change done at 7,500 kms though as adviced by ADC and some other TBHP-ians.

Experts/veteran 2.2 VTT owners - please comment/advice.

Well this is a known thing and you could have always trusted T-bhp posts on this, while reading I was anticipating a call to Ratan Tata to confirm the same, alas it didnt happen

Always follow manufacturers recommendation, they put those thing in the service intervals after thorough testing, even the oil manufacturers test their oils for those intervals.

[v&v]

Originally Posted by cool_dube

Shubhendra - I underwent exactly the same confusion yesterday when I took my Safari for its first service. Per my owner's manual, service schedule is:

a. 1,000 kms - 1,500 kms or 1 month (whichever is earlier)
b. 5,000 kms - 5,500 kms or 6 months (whichever is earlier)
c. 15,000 kms - 15,500 kms or 1 year (whichever is earlier)
... and every 15,000 kms then on.

Now, the manual says that engine oil, oil filter, and fuel filter are supposed to be changed for each of the above. However, when I brought this point to the notice of the service advisor, he was confident that none of these need to be changed before 15,000 kms!! I showed him my owner's manual and he was confused! He said he will check with his 'seniors' and do the needful, if needed. After 3 hours, he calls me and tells me that he checked with TML guys and it is not needed. I did not buy that and called up TML Area Manager (Customer Service) Karnataka and posed this query to him. Now it was his turn to get confused - he promised to call me back in some time after checking with some more people. He did call me in half an hour and told me that it is definitely not required before 15,000 kms!!! When I told him that this is contrary to what the manual says, he said it is a mis-print. I was as well as - so now what?! He says do not worry sir - no changes required till 15,000 kms of running the vehicle. I did not stop at that - I called up TML Pune and got the same, though more polished, answer - "Given the modern technolgy that our 2.2 engine uses, oil changes are not required before 15,000 kms". Also, he repeated the 'mis-print' theory.

Eventually I gave up and got my Safari back after first service without any of these three being changed! Am planning to get the first oil change done at 7,500 kms though as adviced by ADC and some other TBHP-ians.

Experts/veteran 2.2 VTT owners - please comment/advice.

cool_dube,
if you are using your safari for daily commuting ie in high traffic , lot of idling then it is advisable to change the oil at 7.5 k kms. Otherwise i feel it is not at all required. I did my first change only at 15k km.

As for fuel filter it needs change only at 30k kms only. There is some advisory being already issued to service centers. This was also pointed out by DADU too. I am getting a refund for fuel filter changed in 15km now after i lodged a complaint regarding the same.

[maheshmenon]

Originally Posted by maheshmenon

The engine problem is back big time, did about 1k km after my previous TASC visit (see previous posts). Just today when I started the truck, the rpm was needle was vibrating at about 500 only , the engine was shaking like crazy ( i mean really crazy) and making quite a racket. service light was remaning on. Attempted two starts but the same issue. had a quick look at the turbo hoses, no anomalies,but i had to shut down the engine fast, the vibes really had me worried that the mount may be damaged if I kept it running.

Originally Posted by jkdas

Any smoke? Difference in engine oil level? Bad fly wheel?

Originally Posted by ram.west

does it emit lot of black smoke? with the whole vehicle shuddering crazy and the rpm going up and down violently ? has your vehicle been done the refitment ??

Ok guys the problem turned out to be that the "Fuel Injector #2 & #3" wires were cut due to rodent entry. so with only 2 cylinders firing, the imbalance caused the heavy vibrations. Same has been re-connected with tape but I was told that the harness is pretty expensive.

[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by dadu

Well this is a known thing and you could have always trusted T-bhp posts on this, while reading I was anticipating a call to Ratan Tata to confirm the same, alas it didnt happen

Dadu - I almost did

Originally Posted by dadu

Always follow manufacturers recommendation, they put those thing in the service intervals after thorough testing, even the oil manufacturers test their oils for those intervals.

This is the best part - what do I consider as manufacturer's recommendation :

a. Service manual - which says change the oil at 1K as well as 5K
or
b. TASS and TML opinion - no change required till 15K

[v&v]

Originally Posted by cool_dube

Dadu - I almost did



This is the best part - what do I consider as manufacturer's recommendation :

a. Service manual - which says change the oil at 1K as well as 5K
or
b. TASS and TML opinion - no change required till 15K

cool_dube,
Just get the oil change done, its a matter or Rs 2.1 k. its as simple as that.
Nobody is going ask you why did you change oil, vice versa is possible !

v&V

[v&v]

Hi I found a new way to turn off FOLLOW ME feature.

Once the engine is switched off. Open the driver door and remove the key from ignition, Head light glows. Just switch ON the parking light for once. Head light gets switched offs.
Thats it.

Earlier i used to lock the vehicle and then unlock.

[bj96]

Originally Posted by v&v

Earlier i used to lock the vehicle and then unlock.

I press just the unlock button on remote after door ajar. It switches off HL, if it was on due to follow me.
-BJ

[dkamath]

Originally Posted by maheshmenon

Ok guys the problem turned out to be that the "Fuel Injector #2 & #3" wires were cut due to rodent entry. so with only 2 cylinders firing, the imbalance caused the heavy vibrations. Same has been re-connected with tape but I was told that the harness is pretty expensive.

Have seen this issue in 2 of my colleague's cars (the HT lines of one of the spark plugs was broken/eaten), but they were petrol powered. I guess we need to be keep a watch on this, as i have had rodent entry into our vehicle earlier.

[vijuvarghese]

Has anyone lost a tail gate mounted spare wheel of the Safari? If yes, what is the solution to prevent or delay the stealing process?

The reason am asking is due to the theft of my Sierra spare wheel which has the same mount design. It was locked with a Godrej 6 lever lock and vehicle parked in front of a hospital at Ulsoor in BLR, just for one night when my son was admitted. There was no trace of the wheel nor the lock. It was a neat job that there was no metal dust or any sign of struggle to remove the wheel. I lost a brand new 6.0J wheel and new tyre.

After this experience I do not keep the spare wheel on the vehicle, it gets mounted only for long drives.

My new 2.2 VTT is expected next week. I request current owners to post their ideas.

Thank,
Viju

[bj96]

Originally Posted by vijuvarghese

Has anyone lost a tail gate mounted spare wheel of the Safari? If yes, what is the solution to prevent or delay the stealing process?

Fortunately, we do not have many such petty thefts in Pune yet. I have a little lock jamming one of the mounting bolts plus, I park my truck in the reverse direction against a wall/pillar- barely about 6" gap between spare wheel and the wall. This protects the spare wheel cover too. To steal, thief must either push the truck or break the wall .

-BJ

[simply_sunny001]

Originally Posted by bj96

I park my truck in the reverse direction against a wall/pillar- barely about 6" gap between spare wheel and the wall. This protects the spare wheel cover too. To steal, thief must either push the truck or break the wall .

-BJ

BJ

very nice and innovative trick, i dont think you will ever have your spare wheel stolen.