[bigben]

IMO I would suggest the Vista Tech as Tata Motors have worked on the many issues with the car and have improved them in the Vista Tech.
I have a 2009 model Vista and I have faced no issues so far. Just maintain the car at the prescribed intervals and you will face no problems.

Regarding the negatives you mentioned I am answering these from my experience with the car-

60:40 split option of rear seat not available- I have never used this.
driver seat height adjustment not possible- This might be an issue if you are very tall or short
no lumbar support- Never Used
no charging points in the rear- Never used
no electric orvm (manual)- This will be an issue
cost : rs 25k more - Bargain with this

[greenhorn]

My take

Originally Posted by haria

+ in vista tech compared to earlier vx
dashboard is driver aligned - A big Deal if you're used to having the speedo in front
suspension is made better
clutch is better
nav system provided - not really worth it. I would prefer to use google maps

-ve in vista tech compared to earlier vx
60:40 split option of rear seat not available - limited utility for me, not sure about you
driver seat height adjustment not possible - driver dependent. Is the current seating position comfortable?
no lumbar support - can be remedied with foam padding in seat covers
no charging points in the rear - Can be retrofitted at an acessories shop
no electric orvm (manual)- It's a little inconvenient if you need to switch the LHS ORVM during reverse and during driving, or if there are multiple drivers who change the mirrors a lot. On the plus side, Manual mirrors are cheaper to replace, and with tata, their electricals arent particularly reliable
cost : rs 25k more

Cost - That's up to you.

[jasonbourne]

Originally Posted by Arun.K

There is an easy way to find out the glow plug issue. The glow plug indicator will blink briefly after the engine starts and the check engine light comes up. In my 2009 Vista glow plug was changed twice and in our 2008 Vista it was changed thrice. So I presume it to be normal wear.


In our 2008 Vista the check engine light was on for a year. Once on, it will be there for sometime and automatically goes off. No error codes were shown, TASC guys checked all the sensors, even wiring and no fault was found. They said nothing to worry about. The entire time car was running smoothly. All of a sudden the check engine light went off on its own. Though not sure, I guess the problem would've got solved when the clutch switch was changed two months back during a major service. The switch was changed by TASC guys due to a recent clutch problem and not for check engine light on.

I own a Vista QJ for the past 3 years and I have driven almost 52000 Kms. I have never faced any major issues (except once the battery died and I had to call TAFE guys for starting it. They duly replace the battery). Its an awesome vehicle offering ultimate comfort even with 3 people sitting at the back during a long drive.

However last week suddenly the Engine Malfunction Indicator CAME ON in the instrument cluster after starting the car. Performed some manual checks and confirmed that there was no leakage or damage of any type in the engine bay. I did not have any issues while cranking the engine or driving. I did not notice any changes in the pick up or turbo. Everything seemed to be fine except for that indicator. After some time when I parked for buying something and started my car, along with the Engine Malfunction indicator I also noticed the Glow Plug Indicator blinking for 5 – 10 secs after which it did not appear. Since then it kept blinking everytime I started my car and would disappear after 5 – 10 secs.

Took my car to Prerara Motors near Kudlu gate (Since they did a good job on my previous visit to them). An SA named Satish attended to my car and informed me that the issue could be with one of the glow plugs but can confirm only after checking the car. He checked and confirmed that 2 Glow plugs have gone bad and had to be replaced and estimated cost was Rs. 1800 for parts and Rs. 400 labor. Since I had work I asked him to replace the faulty glow plug and call me once the vehicle is ready.

He called after an hour and told that one of the Glow plugs is jammed inside and could not be removed. In order to remove it, the engine head unit needed removal. I was shell shocked by this info and informed him that I won’t bear the cost of the labor incurred for removal refitting of the engine Head. Then I was contacted by their CRM and I was asked to be met in person. I went there after completing my personal work.

He informed that there is no way to remove the stuck Glow Plug normally. Also leaving it there might make the other Glow Plugs also become faulty on the long run. Since the Thread of the glow Plug was stuck, they have to remove the unit and give it in lathe and remove the stuck Glow plug. The total cost of labour was quoted as Rs. 20000 but after talking to some warranty guy they agreed to reduce it by 50%.

So now the cost of the Engine Head Unit removal and refitting comes to Rs. 10000. I took 4 days’ time, replaced one of the glow plugs and pushed off from there.

Can someone tell if what they said was right way to do since the Glow Plug is stuck? I do not mind the cost, but want to make sure that they don’t do anything that would adversely affect the performance of my car after they refit the engine Head unit.

[saket77]

Originally Posted by jasonbourne

Can someone tell if what they said was right way to do since the Glow Plug is stuck? I do not mind the cost, but want to make sure that they don’t do anything that would adversely affect the performance of my car after they refit the engine Head unit.

Is the job already done? If not, I will suggest you to try another TASS. They might be able to unscrew it. Also, leave the diagnosis for the CEL to them so as to confirm if indeed the glow plug has gone bad. In case, they too suggest the same procedure, go with one whom you trust more and who is offering to do it for less.

Regards,
Saket

[jasonbourne]

Originally Posted by saket77

Is the job already done? If not, I will suggest you to try another TASS. They might be able to unscrew it. Also, leave the diagnosis for the CEL to them so as to confirm if indeed the glow plug has gone bad. In case, they too suggest the same procedure, go with one whom you trust more and who is offering to do it for less.

Regards,
Saket

Thank you for your reply! No, the job is not yet done. Are you aware of any TASS around Electronic City?

[saket77]

Originally Posted by jasonbourne

Thank you for your reply! No, the job is not yet done. Are you aware of any TASS around Electronic City?

Sorry, since I am not from your city, it's difficult for me to speculate. I am sure some advice will pour from local BHPians soon.

[zoombiee]

Originally Posted by jasonbourne

Thank you for your reply! No, the job is not yet done. Are you aware of any TASS around Electronic City?

Concorde is just abt 500-750 mts from Prerana at Kudlu gate.

[jasonbourne]

Originally Posted by saket77

Sorry, since I am not from your city, it's difficult for me to speculate. I am sure some advice will pour from local BHPians soon.

No problem! Thank you for your help!

Originally Posted by zoombiee

Concorde is just abt 500-750 mts from Prerana at Kudlu gate.

Oh yes, you are right! there is one concorde motors enroute to Prerana! But I dismissed it thinking it was a commercial vehicles service station! Will check with them once and update! Thank you!

[zoombiee]

Originally Posted by jasonbourne

No problem! Thank you for your help!



Oh yes, you are right! there is one concorde motors enroute to Prerana! But I dismissed it thinking it was a commercial vehicles service station! Will check with them once and update! Thank you!

There are 2. One is at sik board and one is near Kudlu gate. Its not on Hosur road but a bit inside. You should find it on google maps. The Kudlu gate one is a tad better than the silk board one.

[jasonbourne]

Originally Posted by zoombiee

There are 2. One is at sik board and one is near Kudlu gate. Its not on Hosur road but a bit inside. You should find it on google maps. The Kudlu gate one is a tad better than the silk board one.

Thanks for the clarification! Yes, I do remember seeing the board for concorde motors in hosur road indicating its half a KM inside! Will drop in there and check.

[rkg]

My Indica Vista Qjet Aura is a oct 2008 make and has run 82K. Recently i was getting some noise. Concorde said it may be due or ac compressor clutch noise.

Noise come when car is started and stays on. When AC is switched on it goes. But if the car is continuously running with AC, the noise come again and stays. The TASS explanation is there is no load on compressor if AC is off and hence the noise. If AC is on there will be load on compressor and noise comes down. this is due to compressor clutch.

TASS does not replace clutch but entire compressor . Cost is 30K

I had shown the car outside to three AC mechanics. two said, it is not due to AC clutch, third guy said it is due to AC clutch and costs 7.5K

Ac is Behr make.

Dose any body has similar issue?

[interc00led]

Originally Posted by jasonbourne

Thanks for the clarification! Yes, I do remember seeing the board for concorde motors in hosur road indicating its half a KM inside! Will drop in there and check.

A special tool is used to remove the stuck/broken glow plug.
There are people who do the work on-site ie. they come to the workshop and remove the glow-plug for Rs.1000~1500.
9/10 times, there is no need to remove the head.

If the head is removed then make sure the head gasket,injector copper seals,exhaust gasket etc is replaced and the bolts torqued properly.

[Reinhard]

hi, has anybody tried to replace the headlamps of Indica Vista (pre-sedan class version, without the Manza like headlamps and grille) as a DIY? I want to replace the stock Osrams with Philips XV 55 that I've sourced already.

I've always been a bit disappointed with the design of the headlamp assembly on the accessibility side in this version (not sure how it is in the Manza spec lamps). its impossible to reach the low-beam holder with the headlamp assy in place. So it must be removed.

I tried this for almost an hour yesterday, removing all the visible bolts (including the one at the bottom deep in the engine bay besides the radiator. But the bottom of the assy seems to have some notch locked in the inside of the bumper. Do we have to also remove the bumper to take out the headlamps?
Any guidance would be welcome.

As one of the most vital parts of a car, the low-beam bulb socket should be very accessible so that people can replace them on their own in emergencies - like bulb going kaput during a drive at night on highways.

[mahesh_sn]

Originally Posted by Reinhard

I tried this for almost an hour yesterday, removing all the visible bolts (including the one at the bottom deep in the engine bay besides the radiator. But the bottom of the assy seems to have some notch locked in the inside of the bumper. Do we have to also remove the bumper to take out the headlamps?

In Manza, the bumper needs to be removed to take out the head lamp assembly. Mine is a 2011 Manza. One of the headlamps on my Mnaza had its high beam bulb fused a couple of months back and I saw the TASC mechanic removing the bumper to take the head lamp assembly out.

[rammishra]

Dear RKG,

I own Vista Saffire petrol 2009 Make and have the same issue. Vehicle was shown to the Shreeji Automobiles TASC at Surat they said noise is from compressor and compreesor costs Rs. 14000/-. I also took opinion from local AC mechanic he said it comes due to compressor clutch but TASC does not replace clutch they replace complete compressor.

He also doubted that it may be due to belt pulley which connects compressor and engine. I have not got the work done yet but yes noise does come from compressor. Compresssor is same BEHR make.

Originally Posted by rkg

My Indica Vista Qjet Aura is a oct 2008 make and has run 82K. Recently i was getting some noise. Concorde said it may be due or ac compressor clutch noise.

Noise come when car is started and stays on. When AC is switched on it goes. But if the car is continuously running with AC, the noise come again and stays. The TASS explanation is there is no load on compressor if AC is off and hence the noise. If AC is on there will be load on compressor and noise comes down. this is due to compressor clutch.

TASS does not replace clutch but entire compressor . Cost is 30K

I had shown the car outside to three AC mechanics. two said, it is not due to AC clutch, third guy said it is due to AC clutch and costs 7.5K

Ac is Behr make.

Dose any body has similar issue?