[anu21v]

Originally Posted by aravind.anand

Well, it sounds like just 30 kg of additional metal, but trust me, it is much more than that.
- A fully functional metal boot lid with springs and mechanisms to operate.
- Additional carpeting and plastic claddings
-New body side panel, which has to be tested again
-New / modified exhausts and testing for them.
-Updated dmapeners taking into account the load in the overhang (boot)
-In this case - new rear doors, modification on the chassis ( longer wheel base) testing for that.
- Homologation testings, new dies for the extra body panels.

And many more, so we just can quantify it into 5000 buck can we?

Even-though the cost number of 20K is highly debatable (wise ones will say almost no cost difference, There is an Extra Length on Sedans but a Lower height than hatch trunk, Net-net roughly same volume and nil cost difference), but even-if we assume a Rs 20,000 on cost side from Hatch to Notch, That doesn't make the car so costly that anyone should charge a 50-75K price premium just for the body style sake. In my opinion considering there is almost no duty difference between hatch and notch there should be price increment only to the extent of cost increase. anything else is fleece.

[Sheel]

Sorry to go OT, but thought to chip in.

Originally Posted by rock75

azz is having lower sales than even punto,

FYI, Honda after the price cut is loosing substantial amount in every Jazz sold. Hence, there is a supply restraint.

Try booking a Jazz & then get back.

This information was shared in ACI few months back

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

With respect to Jazz, there are still problems in the pricing - may be due to high import content and with that, it's destined to fail.

[rohit_dce]

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

My expectation would be a 20K lesser than Dzire as Amaze top end will NOT come with certain features that ZDi has. But then they are supposedly coming with a more powerful engine, supposedly better FE, huge boot, spacious interiors compared to Dzire. People with insider contacts posted that even Honda is working hard to price the car at par with Dzire. I am sure, even if they command a 20K premium over Dzire, it will have it's share of customers.

That sounds a more rationale aargument than any of the ones stated before. After all, its Honda folks. The reliability, the quality, the fit nd finish levels and the fuel efficiency, all these are Honda's fortes and in the longer run, surely the car will givve its owner a benefit over the rest.

[rohit_dce]

Originally Posted by rock75

Actually you are right @arvind.anand. If we take in to account the excise component, Sail sedan and sail UVA are priced similarly. Theoretically, making a sedan version of a hatch shouldn't cost more than an incremental Rs 20000. Still, in the real world, car makers charge a markup of atleast Rs 60,000 upwards to differentiate the two versions otherwise who would buy a hatch if you are getting the sedan version at the same price!

Honda have an opportunity to start the Amaze petrol at Rs 4.75 lacs and shake things up. It could kill I20, swift and lots of petrol hatchback's sales! Moreover they don't have brio diesel (Brio D will be priced lower obviously)so they don't necessarily have to price Amaze diesel above Rs 6 lacs.

Honda will surely put the Amaze at a price point that you are mentioning because they have the oppotunity to ubndercut the price of the full sedan SAIL and their nearest rival Dzire. Anything close to dzire might just work as well in the companys favour seeing that Honda has higher quality levels than Maruti. And last but not the least, I inddeed do agree with you on the point that the Amaze will also give some premium hatches a run for their money as well.

[rock75]

Originally Posted by Sheel

Sorry to go OT, but thought to chip in.



FYI, Honda after the price cut is loosing substantial amount in every Jazz sold. Hence, there is a supply restraint.

Try booking a Jazz & then get back.

This information was shared in ACI few months back

Well, that's plain stupid tactic for honda, if it is the truth! They might as well stop selling Jazz in India as, if they increase the price to make it profitable,the sales may reduce to single digits.

For the same reason, Honda cannot afford to price Amaze at a premium. They have chosen to enter this high volume segment only to increase market share. By pricing amaze higher than Dzire they may risk another 'Jazz' in their portfolio. Chevrolet has already upped the ante by pricing Sail sedan competitively and therefore Honda has to rethink their pricing strategy.

[Dr.Nishath]

made a comparison of the top end (VD MT) honda amaze(thailand launched) and the m/s Dzire (zdi)..the difference does not seem substantial..also i dont think honda intends to compete with the chevy sail..they want to snatch Dzire's crown and like u guys pointed out,give premium hatches a run for their money..honda have always stood for quality n reliability so they will price the AMAZE around the Dzire and charge the honda premium over it..

[rohit_dce]

Originally Posted by rock75

Well, that's plain stupid tactic for honda, if it is the truth! They might as well stop selling Jazz in India as, if they increase the price to make it profitable,the sales may reduce to single digits.

For the same reason, Honda cannot afford to price Amaze at a premium. They have chosen to enter this high volume segment only to increase market share. By pricing amaze higher than Dzire they may risk another 'Jazz' in their portfolio. Chevrolet has already upped the ante by pricing Sail sedan competitively and therefore Honda has to rethink their pricing strategy.

Bull's eye my friend. Honda is going to enter the mass market segment with the Amaze and I believe they will bring in the car at a price which undercuts the Dzire or is at par with the Dzire. Let us exclude the Sail as it is a complete sedan. Honda according to me will do it their best to make the amazing amaze a success.

[romeomidhun]

IMO, in the future, a conservative hatch at 6 - 9L doesn't make much sense. Add value to the car - like a boot however small it is, give it some SUV looks or off-roading capabilities, or add 2 extra jump seats and make it a small MUV etc. Honda also may be thinking in that way.

[rohit_dce]

Originally Posted by romeomidhun

IMO, in the future, a conservative hatch at 6 - 9L doesn't make much sense. Add value to the car - like a boot however small it is, give it some SUV looks or off-roading capabilities, or add 2 extra jump seats and make it a small MUV etc. Honda also may be thinking in that way.

Even I see Honda going that way. You gotta make the most of the platform you ve invested in. Ad yes, a hatchback at the price of an entry level sedan does not really command a high aspirational value. The dawning of the CS segment has surely dented the sales of the hatchbacks and with the Honda badging on a CS nearing launch, those dents are about to get more in size.

[rohit_dce]

A point which I believe we also need to take into account is the how good does the car look in the garage. I know looks can be deceptive, but the common man might just take the looks into account as well. If you see, the side profile of the Amaze gives you exactly 3 boxes whereas the Dzire CS or the upcoming Verito CS do not look like proper sedans so the Amaze would gibe you the benefit of a true sedan at the price of a CS.

[zenren]

Originally Posted by rohit_dce

Let us exclude the Sail as it is a complete sedan.

That is the idea behind the concept of CS - "Why buy a hatch when you can get a sedan at marginally higher price?"

With the Sail pricing, it goes to the next level - "Why compromise for a CS if you can get a full size sedan at the same price?"

Only reason to compromise on the small boot on the CS versions is the price. Amaze would have to compete with Sail for sure, unless it is priced significantly lower than Sail which is next to impossible.

[deehunk]

I agree with zenren, if you look at SAIL, the mid variant of hatchback and base variant of Sedan are closely priced. GM already had a good petrol and diesel engine in their kitty so they could competitively price the 2 Sail brothers. Hyundai have no product for mini sedan and TATA has a confused bunch of variants. Honda will have to compete with GM and Maruti for this segment. The Sail is definitely a bigger car than Dzire or Amaze, so its an interesting battle to happen soon.

[stringbh]

If they price the Amaze properly, Honda's reliability will come head on with Maruti's A.S.S., in decision making !

OT though, can they beat Dzire's fuel efficiency ?

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by stringbh

If they price the Amaze properly, Honda's reliability will come head on with Maruti's A.S.S., in decision making !

OT though, can they beat Dzire's fuel efficiency ?

Speculations are that Amaze D might have an Fe of 25 kmpl which is more than Dzire, that too with an assumed power of 100 bhp over Dzire's 75 bhp!

Will have to wait for the final numbers though.

[rohit_dce]

Originally Posted by stringbh

If they price the Amaze properly, Honda's reliability will come head on with Maruti's A.S.S., in decision making !

OT though, can they beat Dzire's fuel efficiency ?

See, with the Sail getting priced pretty well, Honda surely will price it well to get the momentum going. And see, Honda cars do pretty well in terms of fuel efficiencies with the petrol engines doing better than their contemporaries, so yeah, I think it will be able to beat the Dzire's fuel efficiency.