[rohit_dce]

Originally Posted by rock75

I can tell you that if Amaze is even at same price as Dzire, it won't even sell 1/4th of Dzire sales six month down the line. I'm not saying that Dzire is a better product than Amaze will be,mind you. I am just stating the market reality.

By the way, looking at Brio pricing, I'm looking out for atleast 40 k less than Dzire for petrol and around 25 k less for Diesel Amaze. And even their base model will have atleast a front power window, and not like LX/LDI for Dzire.

I would not be that judgemental mate before the car actually hits the roads. If it comes at the same price point, it surely will sell. If you see the pictures of the car, the car surely looks better than the Dzire and the internals are better as well. I do not see a reason as to why would it not sell. You tell me why it would not sell.

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

Subjective thoughts, isn't it?! As a customer, I look at more parameters than the length & the looks.

So what do you think of Amaze then? All the parameters that I can think of, it surely has an edge over the Dzire, be it the looks, efficiency, the after sales services, etc. It scores over the Dzire in almost every aspect. What say?

[Motored Mindset]

I quite like the design of the Amaze. I'm assuming that many Bhp-ians on the thread are disappointed with the design not because its really that distasteful (read: Swift Dzire with its ugly strap-on boot) but because we've come to expect Honda's arrow-shot form design philosophy on their models. The Jazz, City and Civic followed that design philosophy since they are global cars, the Brio was designed for emerging markets and that explains its bulbous dimensions (to maximize space) and please-all fascia.

I think the designers have done a marvelous job with the brief they have been given of making the Amaze a true sedan.

[rock75]

Originally Posted by rohit_dce

I would not be that judgemental mate before the car actually hits the roads. If it comes at the same price point, it surely will sell. If you see the pictures of the car, the car surely looks better than the Dzire and the internals are better as well. I do not see a reason as to why would it not sell. You tell me why it would not sell.

Well, firstly the market is in recession, at such times people do not take risk of going in for new models. Secondly, Dzire already is proven and successful model, and majority of car buyers in India have herd mentality, unless the new car is radically good looker, say like new verna is a big success unlike the previous one.

Amaze, looks decent, but can't be called great looker. Brio is no less than Ritz or say even swift and priced at a huge discount to swift, compare the sales figures for the two.

Then there is the case of Jazz, a great product, killed by ambitious pricing.Even big discounts couldn't salvage it and now it is said to be on phase out list.

If they charge a premium over Dzire, Honda will have tough time generating expected volumes. If priced at a discount, they can shift some of that waiting list of maruti to Honda. Once it get going, gradually Honda can increase the prices.

The era of charging a brand premium is over in India, especially in lower and middle segments with plethora of choices and more upcoming launches!

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by rohit_dce

So what do you think of Amaze then? All the parameters that I can think of, it surely has an edge over the Dzire, be it the looks, efficiency, the after sales services, etc. It scores over the Dzire in almost every aspect. What say?

Too early to comment! I would reserve my comments till I drive one! Even then I will NOT be much happy if Honda plays a premium card, but my opinion might favor them if this is a good package.

Frankly I was NOT very happy with Brio, but then I have NOT driven the Swift petrol also much, to have a proper comparo.

[agambhandari]

For all those criticising the looks of the Amaze, keep in mind that the SCOOP pics have been shot in a limited space and clearly not at the best angle( as swiftnfurious also said).
The car looks pretty alright in the press pics on first page in review and if i may say, more DZirable and AMAZING than the DZire!

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

....The car looks pretty alright in the press pics on first page in review and if i may say, more DZirable and AMAZING than the DZire!

I remember seeing various reviews of Amaze and one thing that almost all reviewers said is that "Amaze has a beautifully integrated boot on a hatch" and this is by far the BEST looking compact car. Anyway we need to give some leeway as "looks" is purely a subjective parameter.

And to me, I find none of the compact sedans or one segment up cars impressive or beautiful!! So it really don't matter to me how these cars stack up. We will only keep talking about which is better among the bad!

[Dr.Nishath]

Originally Posted by Motored Mindset

I quite like the design of the Amaze. I'm assuming that many Bhp-ians on the thread are disappointed with the design not because its really that distasteful (read: Swift Dzire with its ugly strap-on boot) but because we've come to expect Honda's arrow-shot form design philosophy on their models. The Jazz, City and Civic followed that design philosophy since they are global cars, the Brio was designed for emerging markets and that explains its bulbous dimensions (to maximize space) and please-all fascia.

I think the designers have done a marvelous job with the brief they have been given of making the Amaze a true sedan.

Precisely,I like the design.I won't mind if the AMAZE misses a couple of features from the D'zire kit.Here's hoping honda don't go overboard with the pricing and nuke the product.Barring any serious issues,i can see myself driving an AMAZE to work in 2 months time..

[rockporiom]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

For all those criticising the looks of the Amaze, keep in mind that the SCOOP pics have been shot in a limited space and clearly not at the best angle( as swiftnfurious also said).
The car looks pretty alright in the press pics on first page in review and if i may say, more DZirable and AMAZING than the DZire!

I don't think so because i have seen the car personally in the same colour, it doesn't look all that great because of the c pillar.
Further the car is disproportionate because it is under the crucial 4 meter mark.
All the cars under the four meter mark look disproportionate(no offense meant) because there is not enough space for designing and integrating the boot well.
But the amaze can be said to be a practical vehicle with the boot space of 400 liters and better rear legroom from Dzire.
But at the same time the price of 8.75 lakhs for top end model(Diesel) is way too high considering the amount of features that it has.
The most shocking part is that the legroom and boot space is more in the amaze even though it is 5mm shorter than the Dzire.

One more thing that worries me is that the fuel tank located under the boot of the car is way too low, considering the amount of bumps that we have on our roads.

[Dr.Nishath]

Originally Posted by rockporiom

........But at the same time the price of 8.75 lakhs for top end model(Diesel) is way too high considering the amount of features that it has.
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kindly list the features of the top end variant{diesel},if it isn't too much trouble..

[rockporiom]

Originally Posted by Dr.Nishath

kindly list the features of the top end variant{diesel},if it isn't too much trouble..

Yeah sure why not here it goes:
Manual aircon
Power orvm with integrated blinkers
165mm clearance
10 spoke alloy wheels(4 wheels)
Same dashboard as brio
Chrome grill on front
Rear chrome garnish
400 litres boot space
175/60 R14 tyres
Automatic transmission in petrol
Same legroom as brio
1 litre bottle holders on all doors
Cup holders in armrest at rear
no cd player only usb and aux
instant FE and trip meter
4.6M turning radius
ABD with EBD
dual airbags

[msmatic]

Originally Posted by rockporiom

Yeah sure why not here it goes:
Manual aircon
Power orvm with integrated blinkers
165mm clearance
10 spoke alloy wheels(4 wheels)
Same dashboard as brio
Chrome grill on front
Rear chrome garnish
400 litres boot space
175/60 R14 tyres
Automatic transmission in petrol
Same legroom as brio
1 litre bottle holders on all doors
Cup holders in armrest at rear
no cd player only usb and aux
instant FE and trip meter
4.6M turning radius
ABD with EBD
dual airbags

What about driver seat height adjust, will it be available at least in the top end trim? I hope 8.75 is the on road price, else its going to cost more than the city

[nik_kapur]

Originally Posted by khanak

What a terrible looking car!! Even the new Dsire looks better.

It truly is ugly ! I would much larger be seen in a Chevy Sail which looks well proportioned. The Brio Amaze is seriously trying to pose as someone it really isnt.

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by rockporiom

Same legroom as brio

Completely wrong. The Amaze has way more legroom than the Brio. We did a test in Japan with a 6 foot 8 inch passenger at the back and a regular height guy driving and he was able to sit comfortably. Every single person has specified the rear legroom to be class leading. I am not sure how you say legroom is same as Brio?

[rockporiom]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

Completely wrong. The Amaze has way more legroom than the Brio. We did a test in Japan with a 6 foot 8 inch passenger at the back and a regular height guy driving and he was able to sit comfortably. Every single person has specified the rear legroom to be class leading. I am not sure how you say legroom is same as Brio?

Strange because when I sat in the brio and immediately sat in amaze it felt to be the same.
I might have not seen properly, but what's more is that even the sales executive agreed with me. I am six foot tall, and I agree that the legroom is more than Dzire though.

Originally Posted by msmatic

What about driver seat height adjust, will it be available at least in the top end trim? I hope 8.75 is the on road price, else its going to cost more than the city

Yeah sorry I forgot to mention that there is seat height adjust in the vx variant.

wanted to mention one more thing is that the price of 8.75 lakhs is wrong. According to landmark Honda the diesel top end will cost a whopping 8.9 lakhs on-road Ahmedabad.

[ozzyrules]

Originally Posted by rockporiom

no cd player only usb and aux

That's in sync with the times. Thankfully, they didn't decide to have a CD/Aux combo and no USB