[Revy]

I would be happy if I get around 15 for my TDCi in the horrible traffic of Bangalore. To cover a distance of 13 km to office, I take from 60 - 80 minutes these days. When I drove out of showroom, they told about 3 liters of diesel is there. Filled about 25 liters at my regular pump on BTM Layout ( Advaith, I will highly recommend this place to Bangaloreans who happen to drive in that route). Then the DTE showed 403. So the mileage as per DTE is about 14.3 and after that, the DTE decrease is directly in line with the km's I run. After 1st service, I hope I can manage 15+ with some smart driving. Just switching off at those crowded signals alone improves the mileage ! In my route, out of the 60 minutes, I will be easily waiting at signals for 15 - 20 minutes.

Regarding tyres, I got Goodyear. Happy that I didn't get Apolo after seeing some of the posts here about the troubles !

[RGK]

Originally Posted by sanjayc

FE has got nothing to do with stopping at auto-cutoff or filling to the brim. I think you are getting it mixed up buddy..FE means kms/litre whereas auto-cutoff/filling up to the brim will mean more fuel in the tank and hence more distance covered.

Well it's a personal choice whether you want to fill till it overflows. But, there must be a reason why auto-cut offs are provided.

Will do a PM on this... already OT's are more

[Brix]

I read this in an email long time back.

Its recommended to stop at the first cutoff because, the fuel has traveled past the meter into the pipe. And if its cutoff it means that you've been billed for the fuel that still exists in the pipe(blacksnake) and that has not flowed into your tank. Probably a considerable amount of fuel. And if he keeps trying to refill with multiple cutoffs, you lost a lot more fuel according to the above theory.

Even since I read that email, I ensure that I either stop and the first cutoff, or I approximately mention the # of litres/money based on the fuel gauge.
That way its very safe.

Originally Posted by sanjayc

FE has got nothing to do with stopping at auto-cutoff or filling to the brim. I think you are getting it mixed up buddy..FE means kms/litre whereas auto-cutoff/filling up to the brim will mean more fuel in the tank and hence more distance covered.

Well it's a personal choice whether you want to fill till it overflows. But, there must be a reason why auto-cut offs are provided.

[Gilead]

I just a saw a Squeeze TDCi with ribbons being driven into my office. My first sighting of a non-display Squeeze. It looked good.

Originally Posted by gemithomas

As a thumb rule i would expect only around 12-14 in city and 15-17 on highways for a petrol 1.2 car. Anything more is just sheer luck i would say. On diesels this could be around 13-15 in city and 17-19 on highways. Buying a car expecting more than this would just give you heart burns. Just my opinion. Again i am telling you, if F.E is a high priority you should go for the KB Series.

I could not have put it better myself.

Originally Posted by Brix

That statement worries me a lot.

Why, what were your expectations? Like gemi said, it's a thumb rule. Some get more, some get less.

[scorpio07]

Originally Posted by Brix

I read this in an email long time back.

Its recommended to stop at the first cutoff because, the fuel has traveled past the meter into the pipe. And if its cutoff it means that you've been billed for the fuel that still exists in the pipe(blacksnake) and that has not flowed into your tank. Probably a considerable amount of fuel. And if he keeps trying to refill with multiple cutoffs, you lost a lot more fuel according to the above theory.

Even since I read that email, I ensure that I either stop and the first cutoff, or I approximately mention the # of litres/money based on the fuel gauge.
That way its very safe.

Ohh good to know that, yesterday when i filled, after the auto cut off also i filled about half litre or so i guess that would put the FE between 15 - 17 based on DTE city driving with AC, anyways will check full tank to fulltank.

Also, what we do is fill the tank, drive around for about 200 kms then fill the tank again. based on the amount of fuel filled we can calculate the FE?

which one is better rather more accurate for FE calculation

[pawan_pullarwar]

Hello Guys,

Is there any news if Maruti is launching SX4 diesel hatchback? I would prefer to buy it

[mkerala]

Originally Posted by poloman

You have to really see the numbers if you take away Mustang's and mkerala's posts

Our pots don't even go beyond 198+222=420. Total post is already over 2350. So its nearly 2000 replys from others. I am a normal person like you who liked figo and booked it. So why are not considering me as a figo fan?

[PYSO]

Originally Posted by longhorn

@pyso Do you really want me to answer this?

@longhorn A reply would be highly appreciated. Heck even a Merc owner looks at FE, which is why even in that segment diesel is the preferred choice. The B segment is way below that, and at least in the Indian context, we can't afford not to think about FE.

Consider a Merc owner (most likely a politician / builder / businessman) - who drives 30000 - 40000 kms a year. How much would his fuel bill differ over 5 years of ownership, if he bought a Petrol instead of a Diesel? Roughly 7-9 lakhs over 5 years?

Just imagine a B segment petrol car owner (most likely a young, middle class, salaried, family man), who drives 8000 to 10000 kms a year. How much will his fuel bill increase if he had an engine delivering 11 kpl (Figo) instead of 13 kpl (Swift)? Roughly 30K - 40K over 5 years?

The figures would be self-explanatory to you.

Will the B segment petrol car owner go for a car with more capabilities, more features at a cheaper sale price; however having 15% lower FE (FIGO)?
Or will he go for a car with higher FE; however with less features, less capabilities, and a higher sale price (SWIFT)?

Think of it differently -- when one goes to buy a car ---> If you can afford a A+ segment car, dont you stretch and somehow buy a B segment car instead? If you can afford a B segment car, don't you stretch and buy a B+ segment car instead? Why? Simply because you know that the car is going to stay with you for another 5-7 years, and you better buy as good a car as you can stretch and afford.

Imagine the guy who is stretching his budget from A+ segment to buy a B segment car. Is his top priority FE? Nope, because if that was the case, then he would stick to the A+ segment car. He is looking for something which an A+ segment car cant give him. He is looking at having various features, some amount of driving pleasure, a car with which he can go on occasional long drives, a car with much more space and comfort than a A+ car, a car with more safety, etc. FE is a concern, but then he would be willing to sacrifice some FE for getting a substantially better car.

Figo P will find it difficult against Swift P, mainly due to the Maruti brand, Maruti A**, and the fact that Swift is a established product; and only minorly due to lower FE of Figo P engine.

[gemithomas]

Originally Posted by mkerala

Our pots don't even go beyond 198+222=420. Total post is already over 2350. So its nearly 2000 replys from others. I am a normal person like you who liked figo and booked it. So why are not considering me as a figo fan?

OT: mkerala. I think you are "put" here by some competing brand to "promote" the delay in delivery. Now that ford has decided to "Squeeze" you. What are you gonna do!!!

[sanjayc]

Originally Posted by pawan_pullarwar

Hello Guys,

Is there any news if Maruti is launching SX4 diesel hatchback? I would prefer to buy it

This is another proof about the popularity of this thread! It is attracting total OTs like magnets

Originally Posted by gemithomas

OT: mkerala. I think you are "put" here by some competing brand to "promote" the delay in delivery. Now that ford has decided to "Squeeze" you. What are you gonna do!!!

[sanjayc]

Originally Posted by mkerala

Our pots don't even go beyond 198+222=420. Total post is already over 2350. So its nearly 2000 replys from others. I am a normal person like you who liked figo and booked it. So why are not considering me as a figo fan?

Is this Polo 3-Pot? 192+222=420 Is this some DTE figure

[pawan_pullarwar]

Originally Posted by sanjayc

This is another proof about the popularity of this thread! It is attracting total OTs like magnets

Here many of us are comparing Figo with other hatchback, this one was one of my attampt

[longhorn]

Originally Posted by PYSO

Just imagine a B segment petrol car owner (most likely a young, middle class, salaried, family man), who drives 8000 to 10000 kms a year. How much will his fuel bill increase if he had an engine delivering 11 kpl (Figo) instead of 13 kpl (Swift)? Roughly 30K - 40K over 5 years?

I don't think the Figo(P)'s FE is as low as 11 but the K series Swift sure as heck gives 14-16 in city unless you are ripping all the way to glory.

Originally Posted by PYSO

Will the B segment petrol car owner go for a car with more capabilities, more features at a cheaper sale price; however having 15% lower FE (FIGO)?

Or will he go for a car with higher FE; however with less features, less capabilities, and a higher sale price (SWIFT)?

Figo P will find it difficult against Swift P, mainly due to the Maruti brand, Maruti A**, and the fact that Swift is a established product; and only minorly due to lower FE of Figo P engine.

As far as petrol engine goes, I believe if he can afford that extra 50K, he would go in for the Swift, while for the diesel, he would go for the Figo.

[mkerala]

Originally Posted by gemithomas

OT: mkerala. I think you are "put" here by some competing brand to "promote" the delay in delivery. Now that ford has decided to "Squeeze" you. What are you gonna do!!!

I spoke here out about delay when my dealer told that he doesn't know when he can deliver my car. Till that time i was silent. I didn't even want mustang to enquirer about my delay even though he offered.

Also someone from here had put a list of guys whose figo are delivered and i was in it. He commented something like "This guy....". O'h i don't remember much. Tried searching the forum couldn't find.

This delay has not occurred because me or any company but ford itself.

[Gilead]

Originally Posted by longhorn

As far as petrol engine goes, I believe if he can afford that extra 50K, he would go in for the Swift, while for the diesel, he would go for the Figo.

What if he can afford the extra 50K for the petrol engine, but has claustrophobia and needs decent boot space as well?

Swift's weight is ~ 1000 kgs. Figo's weight is ~ 1100 kgs. Have you ever felt the difference in sheet metal between the two? Or the insulation?

A swift runs on 165 mm tires. A Figo runs on 175 mm tires. Need I say which tire is better for mileage and which one is better for road grip and safety?

Like I have repeated before, don't go by FE alone. There are more factors that make up a car. If FE is very important, don't go anywhere near the Figo. But it's still a better VFM proposition overall IMO.

Originally Posted by mkerala

This delay has not occurred because me or any company but ford itself.

mkerala is feeling 'squeezed' by gemithomas.