Fuel efficiency with 4 people + luggage was a little over 15 km/l.

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Just back from an 1100 km trip over the last 3 days on the Jazz CVT. Happy to report the car performed exceedingly well.

Positives:

1. Performance on highways is decent if you maintain 80-90kmph typically. Quick overtaking in D mode is challenging, so sports mode helps here.
2. ACC performed okay-ish. Maintained 24 degrees throughout the trip through Karnataka & AP. Nobody complained.
3. Around 200+ kms of ghat roads and narrow forest roads. Using sports mode is good here for engine braking on downhills rather than too much of brakes.
4. Cruise control is a boon on smooth highways.
5. Mileage with full load (4 adults+ 1 child & full boot) was a little over 15kmpl.

Negatives:

1. The wiper blade rubber quality is iffy. The rubber strip tore off itself after long usage. We had rain for like 250 km all 3 days combined. I am on 2nd set in 4 years and 19,000 km of ownership.
2. As already established this engine isn’t meant for brisk performance. Lightfoot is what it demands. Sports mode is a bit of fun but nothing compared to Polo TSI and all.

This happens to be my longest self-driven trip (1100 km) & return journey was around 555 km in a day (180 km ghats/villages, 375 km highways) which again is my personal best now.

Trip details link here.

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Honda plans to introduce a new mid-size SUV that will compete with the likes of the Hyundai Creta and Kia Seltos.

Honda has phased out the fourth-generation City, WR-V and Jazz from the Indian market. The carmaker now has three models on sale: 5th-gen City, City Hybrid and Amaze.

The fifth-generation Honda City was launched in July 2020. But, the fourth-generation model remained on sale until recently. The car cost less than its brand-new iteration and thus offered good value for those looking for a reasonably priced mid-size sedan.

The Jazz was the only hatchback on offer since the Brio was discontinued. It was pitted against the likes of the Hyundai i20, Maruti Suzuki Baleno and Tata Altroz. While the next-gen Jazz has already arrived in the global markets, Honda chose not to launch it in India.

The WR-V was essentially a jacked-up version of the Jazz. It was never going to be a substitute for the lack of a proper mid-size SUV in the brand’s line-up. However, this is about to change. Honda plans to introduce a new mid-size SUV that will compete with the likes of the Hyundai Creta and Kia Seltos. It is expected to debut around June this year.

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I intend to upgrade since I'll have to invariably travel more frequently these days after sunset.

BHPian VikramCS recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Dear All,

Stock headlights on my Jazz are just okay-ish, so, intend to upgrade since I'll have to invariably travel more frequently these days after sunset.

The intention of this thread:

I searched TBHP posts, but, wasn't clear with the information I got. I need advice from our knowledgeable members on:

1. Which is better Philips XtremeVision Plus OR Osram Night Breaker?
2. Even among these, there are multiple confusing options. Philips Xtreme Vision G-Force mentions H1, H3, H4, H7, H11, HB3, HB4, HIR2. Which is the right one for Jazz?
3. Osram's Night Breaker family has - Night Breaker Unlimited, Night Braker Laser and Xenarc Night Breaker Unlimited. Which among these is better?
4. Between Philips and Osram, which is better in terms of light throw, clarity during rains and reliability?

Any Jazz owners who have upgraded to the above, please advise.

Thank You.

Here's what BHPian shancz had to say on the matter:

No personal experience but stating from some posts I came across when a friend wanted to change/upgrade his Jazz's fog lamps.

Someone better informed and experienced might be able to guide you better.

1. Osram NightBreaker Laser has good reviews but Philips Xtreme Vision Plus is reputed to last longer.
2. Those are the bulb types(design). Jazz should be H4, your manual would contain that info.
3. Laser is the only one I had heard about but that's my limited exposure.
4. Philips Xtreme Vision plus is supposed to have better reliability than Osram NightBreaker Laser.

Again these are from what I read on the forum and beyond, no experience though and it might not be accurate.

But going with Xtreme Vision Plus would be playing safe, IMO.

Here's what BHPian jaysheth had to say on the matter:

Hi Vikram,

Totally agree that the stock lights are not great. Had a tough time travelling 60 kms on a highway, 2 weeks ago (had to slow down due to lack of brightness). Last week, therefore, I upgraded the headlights in my Honda Jazz VX CVT with Osram H4 LED. Detailed impressions here (Auto Lighting thread: Post all queries about automobile lighting here).

The local vendor quoted INR 5K (MRP 5600). I argued that it is selling for INR 3300 on Amazon, to which he said to go with Amazon, so I ordered from Amazon. Along with that, I also ordered white Osram parking lights, as yellow lights next to white look ugly.

Product Link for the headlights + parking lights combo package (INR 3.7K)

The reason behind choosing this (for now): I too was looking for better halogens, but BHPian Behemoth advised that there wouldn't be a significant improvement. Details here (Auto Lighting thread: Post all queries about automobile lighting here). Ideally read all communication between myself and Behemoth, starting from this point, to get the full perspective. I am still keen on halogens, but only during the monsoon seasons for now.

I still have a feeling that halogens were at least illuminating the side areas, whereas it is pitch dark with these LEDs. This is because LEDs do not emit light in all directions (unlike halogens). However, I am planning a Pune-Mumbai-Pune trip early next week. Am planning to keep some part of the journey intentionally in the night, on the Pune-Mumbai expressway (which is usually pitch dark). If you could hold on till then, I will be happy to share my experience.

These are of course white lights (6000K) which should be avoided in monsoon. I could not find good 4300K LED lights, hence settled for this. But in any case (and this is important), I have decided to use these lights during non-monsoon months. During monsoon, I intend to use either stock halogens or preferably a slightly better yet 60/55W halogens during monsoon. Will research better halogens before the monsoon (please share your impressions if you go with any halogens). Thanks to my helpful mechanic, I have learnt to install these myself, well, hopefully! Please be aware that installing these LEDs requires some installation skills and minor twisting with/tampering with rubber gaskets (luckily no cutting was required, only twisting the rubber/cover to match the updated design).

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Blaupunkt is a very reliable German brand with direct to consumer presence in India along with support (maybe like Bosch). It sells Lights, Rear Cams, Dash Cams, Car audio, Dampening sheets along with other stuff.

Why then there are very few reviews or recommendations for their products vs. online/unbranded products? I thought it would be a no-brainer to buy from them for any upgrades. Do they have a QC issue in the market or are the products fake?

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Prices of the regular Honda City have been increased by Rs. 11,000.

Honda has increased the prices of the City, City Hybrid, Amaze, Jazz and WR-V by up to Rs 39,100.

The 'ZX' variant of the City e:HEV receives the most significant price hike of Rs 39,100, while the prices of all variants of the regular City have been increased by Rs 11,000.

The Honda Jazz also receives a price hike of Rs 11,000. Prices of the diesel variants of the WR-V have also been increased by Rs 11,000, while the prices of the petrol variants remain unchanged.

Honda Amaze prices have been hiked between Rs 6,300 to Rs 11,000, depending on the variant. The price of the Diesel E MT variant remains unchanged.

Honda has not made any changes to the prices of the fourth-generation City.

Honda will continue to sell the fifth-gen City, along with the City Hybrid and Amaze.

According to a media report, Honda is planning to discontinue the Jazz, WR-V and the fourth-generation City in India.

The report states that the production of the Jazz is expected to end after October this year, while the WR-V could go out of production post March 2023. Honda is also said to stop production and sales of the fourth-generation City by December 2022.

If these reports are true, then it would mark the brand’s exit from the hatchback segment. Whereas the WR-V is rumoured to be replaced with a new compact SUV (codenamed: 3US / 31XA). It could arrive in August 2023. Honda will continue to sell the fifth-gen City, along with the City Hybrid and Amaze.

Honda declined to make an official statement, terming the latest reports as mere speculations.

Source: ET Auto

If I have to buy a petrol automatic once again at a price below 15L in Bangalore, I will again pick the Jazz over a Magnite / Kiger CVT, a Venue / Sonet DCT or an S-Cross.

BHPian mbudhraja recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Quick Intro

Buying a car was always on the cards, but it was only in the middle of Covid Wave 1 that my wife and I realized that we will never go back to booking shared rides if and when the pandemic gets over. Hence began the hunt of our first car to be. We are based in Bangalore and the car was primarily to be used within city plus a few 500km trips around Bangalore every year.

Shortlisting :

Once we decided to buy a car, I immediately announced that this is a husband's space and I will be the one setting the ground rules  I set the magical figure of 10 lakhs as our budget and also expressed my clear dislike for compact sedans (though over the last year, I have come to acknowledge the practicality of compact sedans over the Balenos of the world)

Zeroing In :

The ground rules made it pretty simple for us. Given Bangalore's super generous road tax structure, Compact SUVs were hardly making the cut of < 10L and compact sedans were never considered. We anyway loved the Premium Hatchback segment and that is where we would focus on. I never wanted a Baleno or an I20 because of safety concerns, and Jazz because of the dated design. My wife's love for Indian companies, the 5 star safety rating, fresh appealing design and all the online reviewers made it further simple - ALTROZ it will be

However all of this changed when the lockdown was lifted and we tried the Altroz. The horrendous experience in Tata Motors showroom and panel gaps in Altroz was a heartbreak. In came Ford Freestyle and we were sold the moment I put it on Gear 1 and pressed the gas. I have never experienced the same joy in driving any car as I did on the freestyle. In July 2020, massive car discounts ensured that I could get the top variant Titanium+ @ 8.70L on road. The decision was made - White Ford Freestyle it will be.

Go Corona Go :

I am pretty sure we got infected while test driving the Altroz that day in Tata motors Hebbal, there was zero sanitization of the vehicle or anywhere else in the showroom. Both of us went down with Covid in wave 1 itself and travelled back to our hometown for the next 6 months, hence the car wasn't booked

Paradox of choices :

What do couples do when the are home, in the middle of Covid, with no friends around, planning to buy a car and ample time in hand - they youtube the hell out of car reviews. New launches like Kia Sonet, cosmetic features like led DRLs, expert family member opinions, they all made freestyle seem too boring a choice

Holding the ground :

We fully understood during this time that freestyle or ford in general had very boring interiors (though we both loved the simplicity of the dash layout), had very little cosmetic features like led head lamps, fog lamps or tale lamps, had an unpractically low boot space and no armrests (I shared a screenshot with Ford India that their Gallery showed the freestyle with front armrest in the website and they immediately took that picture off). All of that aside, Dil to Bachha hai Ji . Feb 2021 - we were back in Bangalore and in the first week itself, we wanted to make the booking. By this time, 2020 discounts were gone and there was a price increase in Jan 2021. The Titanium+ was now costing us 9.08L.

Father in law is always correct :

With the absolute taste of quality that my FIL has, he did ask me to check a Japanese make hatchback (he was referring to Toyota or Honda and not Maruti Suzuki) before I made the booking. With Glanza being a Baleno, we went to check the Jazz - and boy was he correct. In all honesty, we both still love the freestyle exteriors more than the Jazz (every freestyle we see on the road, we still feel it's our own), however it is the cabin of the Jazz that made the decision Black and White (I mean literally, never again can I sit in a car with black interiors)

We were getting Jazz VX MT @ 9.6L compared to Freestyle Titanium+ at 9.1L. The additional 50k was making sense given way more space, beige interiors, higher visibility, a lot better interiors and a few cosmetic features (we were trading 4 airbags in exchange but the safety aspect and build quality of both the cars seemed to be good). We made the booking and got the delivery within 2 weeks.

The CVT instead of MT was decided last minute once the salesman convinced me to take a test drive (it did finally make us go beyond 10L, we ended up spending 11L with accessories), but I count my blessings each day of the last 15months that I bought a Jazz CVT over Freestyle, or over any of the compact SUVs.

15 months / 8000 KM Done :

Fast forward 15 months - I cherish every moment I am behind the wheels of this Breezy machine. I think the weather in Bangalore and the Jazz CVT complement each other - not sure which of the two is more soothing. Listing down some of my key observations experienced during city drives, a trip each to Yercaud (500KM), Pondicherry (800KM) and Wayanad (900KM).

Pros:

1. Best in class cabin - I have never been in a better cabin. The Jazz has really big windows with quarter glasses. There are people who feel claustrophobic in many cars and I will strongly recommend Jazz for them
2. Extremely smooth gearbox and engine - almost no noise or jerks
3. Paddle shifters - if you feel like having fun
4. Space - Enough and more
5. Looks - It's subjective, though Jazz can look extremely sporty if you add spoilers and do some tweaking with the alloys
6. Build - There are very few cars that seem to be as strongly built as this one. The doors seem heavier than even the Altroz doors and it adds a lot of confidence
7. Cruise Control - for those mostly on the highways

Cons:

1. Low ground clearance - this is widely known and I too scrape the car once every few months - got the lower body rubber coat done, hoping that helps
2. Weak headlights - will upgrade the lamps
3. Not for real enthusiasts - 1.2L NA engine is slightly underpowered.
4. Nothing else - people do call out the lack of rear headrest as a concern, but the incline at the back is perfect making the rear seat experience equally good as front

Conclusion

If I have to buy a petrol automatic once again (true automatic, not AMTs) at a price below 15L in Bangalore, I will again pick the Jazz over a Magnite / Kiger CVT, a Venue / Sonet DCT or an S-Cross torque convertor while the jury is still out on Altroz's DCA.

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I wasn't too sure about the car's build quality while buying it over the i20 & Baleno, but the latest Global NCAP results have put my worries to rest.

BHPian SoumenD recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

3 year update:

Model is 2019 VX CVT exclusive edition. Odo hit 13000kms as we reach the anniversary.

Running has been very low in last two years (3k kms only) thanks to WFH. But now with offices opening we are running 2-3 days a week. Still monthly would be around 400kms max.

Likes:

• Its a honda, so boringly reliable. Fill it, shut it, forget it.
• Very smooth 1.2L iVtec-CVT integration. With minimal input pottering around the city is breeze.
• Space management is awesome. Have done a couple of highway trips with 5 adults in reasonable comfort. Even bootspace is good enough for weekenders for small family (2adults+1kid).
• Adequate features for my needs. Reverse camera, AA/AC, ACC, electric ORVM, keyless entry & go to name a few.
• Cruise control and paddleshifters are a boon on highways.
• Good build quality. GNCAP 4* with stable bodyshell. A rarity in hatchbacks till Altroz came in.
• Minimal rattles with good enough ride quality. Neither too stiff, nor too soft.
• Decently frugal per my expectations. 11-12kmpl in city, 16-18kmpl on highways depending on road conditions. All calculations T2T method.

Dislikes :

• 6 month service interval is daylight robbery and we can do little about it if we don’t want to void warranty.
• On highways for enthusiastic driving need to keep engine on boil (3k+ RPM) and even then its okay’ish. With the 1.5 iVtec, this would have been the perfect car.
• Reverse camera quality is pathetic. VGA quality.

So as you see there’s not much to complain and this is exactly what I had expected it to be while making the decision back in 2019. Only one thing I wasn’t 100% sure but expected was safe build quality while choosing this over i20 & baleno. And thanks to GNCAP for proving my instincts were correct. Hope this companionship continues without much issues

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The prices of the fourth-gen Honda City remain unchanged.

Honda has increased the prices of its models by up to Rs. 21,600

The carmaker has hiked the price of the WR-V VX MT Diesel by Rs. 21,600. The SV MT variant now costs Rs. 19,000 more. The price of the SV MT Petrol variant has also been increased by Rs. 5,500.

Prices of the Jazz V CVT and ZX CVT variants have gone up by Rs. 13,000, while the rest of the trims now cost up to Rs. 6,100 more.

All variants of the Amaze get a nominal price hike of Rs. 5,300. Similarly, prices of the fifth-gen City have been increased by up to Rs. 5,800. The V CVT variant has gotten dearer by Rs. 5,000.

The Honda Jazz scored 13.89 points for adult occupant protection and 31.54 points for child safety.

The Honda Jazz has been awarded a 4-star safety rating by Global NCAP. The car scored 13.89 points for adult occupant protection and 31.54 points for child safety.

According to the test report, the Jazz offered good protection to the head and neck of the front occupants. The driver’s chest showed adequate protection and the passenger’s chest showed good protection. The driver’s and passenger’s knees showed marginal protection. The driver’s tibias showed adequate protection, while the passenger’s tibias showed adequate and good protection. The bodyshell and footwell area was rated as stable.

The child seat for the 3-year-old dummy offered limited protection to the head. It offered poor protection to the chest and good protection to the neck. The child seat for the 1.5-year-old dummy offered good protection to the head and limited protection to the chest.

The test vehicle was equipped with dual front airbags, ABS and seatbelt reminders.

Our 2016 Ford Endeavour handles the highway duties, with the Jazz taking care of the household work.

BHPian 123.rishabh recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Hello Everyone!

We bought our Safari Dicor LX 2.2 in the year 2008. The car was a great value for money purchase & was really close to my heart (like every hardcore safari fanboy). The car was a really durable, reliable & extremely comfortable companion be it city drives, highways or some dirt autocross events.

It was replaced by the Ford Endeavour 3.2 Titanium in the year 2016.

Post this the Safari was being used by me for going to college, doing household chores as an extra car in the house.

Fast forward to the year 2018, the car had covered 95K Kms (With All Original Paint), but thanks to NGT it was no longer fit to be driven in Delhi due to which I had to sell it with a heavy heart.

There was a need for a car to do basic household work and get around crowded places, so I thought of going in for a Used hatchback.

Wants:

• Reliability
• Good boot space
• Practicality
• Good ergonomics & comfort

Instantly the Old generation Honda Jazz (GE) & Ritz came to my mind & the search began.

Plenty of Ritz was available but didn't like the overall quality of the cars.

Then the search began for the Jazz GE.

I always liked this car due to the lovely Magic Seats, man maximum machine minimum design, the amazing reliability, efficiency of the L12B I Vtec powerplant & the quirky interior theme.
There were many cars available on Olx, but almost all of them were with the dealers and every car had done 60-65k on the ODO (All tampered).

After a search for a month, a known neighbourhood mechanic told me about a 2009 Jazz that had done 1,12,000 Kms but was a single owner car. Initially, I had apprehensions about the high mileage as none of my new cars had crossed the 1 lakh Km mark, still, I thought of having a look as this was the first example that was being sold directly by the owner.

I talked to the owner, fixed an appointment & saw the car. It belonged to a retired Major General & had all the service records from HONDA. The car looked in a much better condition than the ones which I saw at the dealers with fake 65k ODO. Requested the Owner to allow me to get an Inspection from Honda ASS. The ASS gave a go-ahead & I picked up the car.

What I like about the car

• Superb front seats & Ergonomics (Everything is just placed perfectly)
• Silent and refined 1.2L engine
• Slick gearbox with amazing drivability in the city
• Easy to use steering controls
• Magic seats are a boon (Can load almost anything)
• FE (Never drops below 12Kmpl, Have achieved a max of 17 Kmpl)
• Fit and finish of materials used is top-notch

What I don't like

• Steering size is a bit large
• Weak headlamps
• GC is on the lower side (I'm used to low cars, so does not bother me much)
• Misses on the relax mode which was available in the next-gen car
• Engine lacks punch (A 1.5 swap will make it perfect)

Safety & Built Quality

The car has decent safety equipment like ABS & Dual airbags as standard. It is much better built compared to the cars today and pretty decent for being used in the city. (Both the Airbags have been replaced under the Takata recall)

Usage Pattern

The car is driven in alternation with my A4 for a 65Km trip to the office & back. On weekends it's driven for 10 km for grocery shopping

Interior & Ergonomics

The interior fit & finish is great and good quality materials are used. All buttons and switches are decent. The headlamp controls are very premium but the audio switches are a shade lower. The front seats have great support & side bolstering. The only thing missing is a Dead pedal which is replaced by a rubber strip.

There are plenty of cup & bottle holders (ones on the dashboard act as bottle coolers as well). The dual glovebox is useful too.

Magic seats are a boon in both Tall & flat fold mode & create a huge room inside to carry anything.

Visibility

All-round visibility is excellent. The seat is non-height adjustable but for an average adult provides great visibility. The huge front windshield provides an airy feel, the Made in Japan Mitsuba flat blade wipers are amazing in combination with the mist type washer jets. The presence of a third sun visor in the centre is missed (Like the one in the MK1 Octavia). Both side mirrors are of a decent size with electric adjustment and have a convex set-up for providing a sufficient view of the cars behind. The IRVM is a manual dimming type.

Engine

The 1.2L I VTEC engine is super refined and bulletproof! Even with 1.34L km on the clock the starting sound and crank time are the same as a brand new one. Noticed a few changes in the old vs new Jazz engine bays like, The old one came with an aluminium intake manifold (Now Plastic) & 2 radiator fans (Now one). Drivability is good and can crawl in traffic with minimum gear changes.

Talking about performance, the low-end torque is a bit of a letdown hence needs to be floored hard and the engine happily reaches the powerband and works up nicely post 4500 rpm (VTEC Kicked in YO !!!!!!)

ICE

I'm no expert in this department & found the built-in 2 din audio decent and easy to use. As far as i know, this generation of honda cars came with Alpine speakers from the factory and 4 of the speakers do a good job.

The central volume control jog dial does malfunction sometimes and suddenly increases or decreases the volume, but i have a habit of adjusting it via the steering controls. USB is missing (was added later in the facelift model) so one has to manage with the AUX port.

Work Done after purchasing

Although the car needed no work post-purchase, as a part of preventive maintenance and being used to VAG group cars didn't want to take any chance.

Took the car to the Honda ASS and got the following work done

• All Fluids changed (Engine, Gearbox, Brake Oils, Coolant)
• Replaced the Iridium plugs
• Brake Pads were Replaced & calliper pins were greased
• Regular service
• Steering link rods (Rubber was worn out)
• Hand brake cable (Was a bit tight)
• Rear brake cylinders

Also ordered a Jazz SI Spoiler and got it fixed, the car is running a set of Yokohama Earth one Tires.

During my daily drives, I realised the great sense of balance this car gives, hence planning to take it to an FMSCI Dirt Autocross event in Manesar. The car performed really well and also got a podium finish in the below 1600cc Amateur Category.

The next pics are from an FMSCI Tarmac Autocross event held at BIC

It has been an exciting ownership experience with this car. I have driven 22,000 km in the past 1.5 years and the current ODO reading stands at 1.34 Lakh km.

Have sold the car now and replaced it with an E Verito, but I would highly recommend this car to anyone looking for a used hatchback - Nothing comes close.

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