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Old 6th December 2015, 23:16   #541
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Almost 2 months since I visited the forum, made time after I got curious about the Zica.

Tata Motors has a lot riding on this car & that shows in the effort. New engine, new interiors, redesigned exteriors, improved suspension et all! And this on an extensively modified platform. Practically speaking, the car is all new.

Not everyday do we see such a brilliant design language being adopted along with significant engineering effort by a home grown brand that makes a VFM offerings, do we?

Now eagerly waiting for the Team-BHP review to sort out doubts (mainly on drivability) due to different versions of confused 'journalists'.

All the best, Tata Motors. Little did I wonder you'll started working on this around the time of the 'Ideator' discussion on how the Next Tata cars should be. I'd pushed in GTO's suggestion about a good MPV, and having seen the effort on this product, a voice in me says that says this along with the 'Hexa' is going to change Tata's fortunes.

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Old 7th December 2015, 00:31   #542
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I would rather listen to this man, Adil Jal Darukhanawala.



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The car breaks phenomenally new ground, as far as driving position is concerned.

No blind-spots. Even the A-pillar doesn't impinge on forward visibility.

The feel of the pedals, steering, gear shift has been so very well thought out, to give the driving experience to be a notch higher than many other small mini cars in the country.

Ride quality is of a phenomenal order, for a small car, in India.

Its not overly quick, not overly slow, it's just ideal for our traffic conditions.

Engineers have managed to iron out vibrations pretty well.

Diesel clatter only when starting from cold. But, once warmed up, the engine behaves in an ultra-refined manner.

Petrol engine an epitome of refined brilliance. Its super smooth. Virtually shatter-proof in the way it performs. You have to drive this car to really appreciate it.

Clutch is effortless. A delight for the daily commute. You would like to take the long way back home, when you have a car like this.
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Old 7th December 2015, 09:20   #543
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I would rather listen to this man, Adil Jal Darukhanawala.



A few excerpts from what he has said:
Well this particular program seems more like a paid advertorial than a review of the product. It is so adjective laden that one would be mistaken that he is describing something else.
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Old 7th December 2015, 09:51   #544
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Well this particular program seems more like a paid advertorial than a review of the product. It is so adjective laden that one would be mistaken that he is describing something else.
I kind of agree. It's hard to spot a reviewer who would be genuine enough to not worry whether Tata Motors as an advertiser would hold a grudge or not.

That's why a Team-BHP review would be the most honest opinion.
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Well this particular program seems more like a paid advertorial than a review of the product. It is so adjective laden that one would be mistaken that he is describing something else.
I am familiar with Adil Jal Darukhanawala since his Car & Bike India days. The pattern that I noticed is that he a big soft spot for Tata and when he praises them, he gushes! I wouldn't place much importance on his reviews. This is not to say that TML doesn't deserve praise - it does and in spades!

IMO, the likes of Siddhart Patankar on NDTV Auto show appear to have a more balanced view.

I really hope that the Tata Zica does well. Good luck, Tata!
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Old 7th December 2015, 10:08   #546
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All the reviews from various media agencies point to one thing, that Tata have a winner in the Zica . All they now need to do is price it attractively and maintain quality levels from day one. At the same time the ownership experience at the service centers needs to be worked on and maybe each dealership could have a dedicated team for Zica issues.
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Its confirmed that the Zica too will get an AMT transmission but at a later stage, guess they are waiting for the supply constraints issue to get resolved.

http://indianautosblog.com/2015/12/t...nfirmed-205472
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Nice job by TATA. Hopefully Indians appreciate their sincere effort this time. The zigwheels comparison between zica, i10 and celerio places the zica as winner.
http://www.zigwheels.com/reviews-adv...-review/23822/
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Nice job by TATA. Hopefully Indians appreciate their sincere effort this time. The zigwheels comparison between zica, i10 and celerio places the zica as winner.
http://www.zigwheels.com/reviews-adv...-review/23822/
OT, A colleague made an interesting observation post reading this article. As per him, this article could be deemed as a case of conflict of interest after noticing the writer's name! How true is that?
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OT, A colleague made an interesting observation post reading this article. As per him, this article could be deemed as a case of conflict of interest after noticing the writer's name! How true is that?
They are two different persons. I also got confused by this a few days ago.
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The Zica has impressed me right from the first picture. It looks great, interiors seem well bolted together with decent features thrown in. But will it come with an AT/AMT? I see an opportunity waiting for TML.
AMT will apparently be introduced later, however there is no information about when this will happen. We will get to know more either in the TBHP review or when the car is actually launched.

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Ride and handling, I have no doubts on a Tata. Tuned for comfort.
From the reviews so far most of them seem to say that she handles pretty well too, apart from having the typical Tata trait of great ride (though with a slightly stiffer edge than the Bolt). Again, not sure until we read a reliable review.

Some of these reviews are frustratingly stupid (Zigwheels, for example) and some provide incomplete info like some interior panels can be painted orange - why only orange, it should be what the customer wants or any available colour.
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Is this 1.05 liter, 3 cylinder Revotorq engine a downsized version of Tata's own homegrown 1.4 liter CR4 engine, or is it an altogether new design? Also, won't extracting 70ps of power and 140nm of torque affect the longevity of this 3 pot engine?
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Is this 1.05 liter, 3 cylinder Revotorq engine a downsized version of Tata's own homegrown 1.4 liter CR4 engine, or is it an altogether new design? Also, won't extracting 70ps of power and 140nm of torque affect the longevity of this 3 pot engine?
While technically this is the same block with one less cylinder, the engine is all-new for all practical purposes, with all the important bits (header - # of valves and two camshafts, Variable intake timing) being new.

The block is CI, so I don't think there should be any longevity issues. Also considering how long and how much the engine has been tested on-road in real world conditions, I don't think there should be any concerns. When Tata has put in so much effort into quality parts/materials, I'm sure they have the engine component manufacturers covered as well. That said, extended warranty is always a good idea.
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Looks is one thing and sales figures is quite another. Tata cars are known to rattle within a few months of purchase and the after sales service is questionable. Resale value is nonexistant and the visibility of their cars is only due to taxi segment.

I for one will not put my money on Tata even though they may bring in the best looking cars ever.Quality, performance, reliability are the only factors leading to Customer satisfaction which in turn translate into resale value.

As of today whenever i see a car broken down and stopped on any highway with a mechanic diving inside the bonnet , it is 99% a tata poduct.
Can the Tata's deliver with this new product? I for one will wait and watch.If all decide to wait and watch who will buy?where will the sales come from?
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They are two different persons. I also got confused by this a few days ago.
Slightly OT, Am very well aware of the existence of two different individuals. One of them is already banned on Team BHP.

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