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low_bass_makker · 20th June 2007, 18:39

clip is this your speaker
Infinity Reference 9613i 6''x9'' 3-way car speakers at Crutchfield.com

Sam Kapasi · 20th June 2007, 19:15

Hiya clip,

Yes The 9613i also had a silk dome, no worries there. Infinity do not use titanium domes, JBL does.

The 9613i, like any other 6X9 has it's own, predesigned in-line, 3 way crossover. Why would you want to modify it? The crossover transitions have been designed by Infinity engineers.

navin · 20th June 2007, 20:26

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Originally Posted by clipto333

hi,

i dont think 9613 has a mid range driver.

it all depends what you define as midrange. the 9613 has 3 drivers. 1 woofer and 2 hf drivers. I assume (since there is no inductor) both operate at higher freq. only one may be crossed over at say 1.5k and the other at 5k (1st order HP).

navin · 20th June 2007, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Why would you want to modify it? The crossover transitions have been designed by Infinity engineers.

Becuase he is now incurably infected like me! :-)clip can you read out the vlaues of the caps on the 9613i (I am salivating) too bad i got to travel tomorrow.

gunbir · 21st June 2007, 00:02

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Originally Posted by clipto333

it isnt a 4v preout? the only reason i bought this over th 5850 was the 3 preouts and the voltage. what is the reason behind this gunman? why does pio publish 4v in the specs? is it the same with other HU like blau, kenwood, sony etc. in this price range? im really disappointed. not because i have to keep the gains at 75% but because i wasnt expecting a company to do such a thing to promote its product. maybe the have some conditions in which it would give out 4v which they didnt publish in the specs.

Clip, why do they call a 200w cont. amp an 800w amp. why do they say a HU has an output of 54w x4? Why do most mass market product manufacturers lie? Because they can. And it helps them make money. Thats why. I haven't tested your HU so I can't give you the exact picture. Why don't you test it and post the results here. It may only output 2-3v clean, and the sub is often even lower.

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Originally Posted by clipto333

i tried to set the gain for the comps using a 0db 1khz test tone. when i increased the gain, i could hear it change its tone. i hope you understand what im trying to say. the tone became wider and harsher after around 70%. IMO this was the point where the amp started to clip. i backed of a little and left it there. correct me if im wrong.

i trust what you say gunbir. what in your opinion would be a good amp to drive the comps?

An Audison. But knowing you're on a budget, the best budget amp nowadays is the Kenwood KAC-8401. We've compared it to many others in this segment (under 10K) and this is the current king. At last count, this was going for Rs 8.5K a pop.

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Originally Posted by clipto333

that means i cant upgrade my comp to 3 way. maybe i could source it from abroad or you could help me get it. nai?

Clip, my suggestion is... Get an ESK163 for your front stage (after your amp upgrade), and shift your 2way comps to the rear. Alternatively, wait for SK456 to sell his 3way and get it for half price

low_bass_makker · 21st June 2007, 00:20

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Originally Posted by gunbir

An Audison. But knowing you're on a budget, the best budget amp nowadays is the Kenwood KAC-8401. We've compared it to many others in this segment (under 10K) and this is the current king. At last count, this was going for Rs 8.5K a pop.

Is it with B/W or in grey ??

esteem_lover · 21st June 2007, 00:24

I guess it is without B & W, right gunbir ?

gunbir · 21st June 2007, 00:43

Yes John, you're right. It may even be cheaper now.

clipto333 · 21st June 2007, 08:21

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Originally Posted by navin

Becuase he is now incurably infected like me! :-)clip can you read out the vlaues of the caps on the 9613i (I am salivating) too bad i got to travel tomorrow.

hehe you are right navinji.this infection got induced in me lol. ill do that in the evening.

happy journey

clip.

navin · 21st June 2007, 11:37

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Originally Posted by gunbir

the best budget amp nowadays is the Kenwood KAC-8401. We've compared it to many others in this segment (under 10K) and this is the current king. At last count, this was going for Rs 8.5K a pop.

8.5K for the 8401 without B&W or 10K for the 60.4 wiht B&W I dont know but I'd take the later or even strech for the 60th Anniversary 4060. I would buy this 4060 but I have no use for a 4 ch. amp right now. Mom's got the 755.6, Wife's using a Velocity 504 and I have the Alpine 340.

Once in a while I fall in love with some piece of hardware like the Blau THA555 or Infinity 5350a and not having use for it go mad (as I cant buy it). I tell you I am infected.

clipto333 · 21st June 2007, 14:02

hi,

gunbir, is this the same amp which you reccomended earlier when i came for the upgrade? all this while, ive been thinking of bying an audison srx2s. im confused. was thinking of upgrading my sub amp to srx2s, but now i think i should buy an amp for the comps as i feel my 944 is good enough for bass duty(im satisfied with the bass i get). i can always add another sub later when i have the big red gandhis. so please suggest an audison amp which you think is the best for my comps. also suggest the cheapest from audison for the comps.

thanks

navinji,

im going to remove my cars speaker tray(its a sedan) and ill post the cap values etc.

cheers
clip

clipto333 · 21st June 2007, 14:34

ok i have the speaker in my hand
i think the cap is inside the tweeter cover or what ever. how do i open it
is it removable?

Sam Kapasi · 21st June 2007, 15:02

Guys! Clip! Please don't do this, don't disassemble a perfectly working Infinity speaker! Please!!

Navin, stop him!!

low_bass_makker · 21st June 2007, 15:37

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Guys! Clip! Please don't do this, don't disassemble a perfectly working Infinity speaker! Please!!

Navin, stop him!!

Sam Bhai the damage has been done....but why did he posted on another thread that is a mystery yet to be solved.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/produc...roduct-17.html

clipto333 · 21st June 2007, 15:43

guys, sorry i posted it in the wrong thread.

i have opened the tweet thingy(i should have applied a little less pressure). this damn thing was glued i guess so it broke(ill glue it again). sam tell jbl/infy to give removable covers for the tweets. lol

also what im doing is my own wish. no one would be and should be held responsible for anything i do with my speaker

here are the cap values.

4.7uf bipolar cap made by HS-PROCON. 'sp network" is also written.
2.2uf bipolar, no inductor

cheers
clip

Sam, dont worry. anyways thanks for your concern.:-)

20th June 2007, 18:39	#6271
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,815 Thanked: 305 Times View My Garage	clip is this your speaker Infinity Reference 9613i 6''x9'' 3-way car speakers at Crutchfield.com
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20th June 2007, 19:15	#6272
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	Hiya clip, Yes The 9613i also had a silk dome, no worries there. Infinity do not use titanium domes, JBL does. The 9613i, like any other 6X9 has it's own, predesigned in-line, 3 way crossover. Why would you want to modify it? The crossover transitions have been designed by Infinity engineers.
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esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 502 Times View My Garage	I guess it is without B & W, right gunbir ?
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21st June 2007, 00:43	#6278
gunbir Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,465 Thanked: 32 Times	Yes John, you're right. It may even be cheaper now.
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21st June 2007, 14:02	#6281
clipto333 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: jalandhar Posts: 912 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	hi, gunbir, is this the same amp which you reccomended earlier when i came for the upgrade? all this while, ive been thinking of bying an audison srx2s. im confused. was thinking of upgrading my sub amp to srx2s, but now i think i should buy an amp for the comps as i feel my 944 is good enough for bass duty(im satisfied with the bass i get). i can always add another sub later when i have the big red gandhis. so please suggest an audison amp which you think is the best for my comps. also suggest the cheapest from audison for the comps. thanks navinji, im going to remove my cars speaker tray(its a sedan) and ill post the cap values etc. cheers clip
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21st June 2007, 14:34	#6282
clipto333 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: jalandhar Posts: 912 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	ok i have the speaker in my hand i think the cap is inside the tweeter cover or what ever. how do i open it is it removable?
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Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	Guys! Clip! Please don't do this, don't disassemble a perfectly working Infinity speaker! Please!! Navin, stop him!! Last edited by Sam Kapasi : 21st June 2007 at 15:06. Reason: I forgot to put that shocked smiley thingy.
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21st June 2007, 15:43	#6285
clipto333 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: jalandhar Posts: 912 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	guys, sorry i posted it in the wrong thread. i have opened the tweet thingy(i should have applied a little less pressure). this damn thing was glued i guess so it broke(ill glue it again). sam tell jbl/infy to give removable covers for the tweets. lol also what im doing is my own wish. no one would be and should be held responsible for anything i do with my speaker here are the cap values. 4.7uf bipolar cap made by HS-PROCON. 'sp network" is also written. 2.2uf bipolar, no inductor cheers clip Sam, dont worry. anyways thanks for your concern.:-) Last edited by clipto333 : 21st June 2007 at 15:47.
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