XBox, Playstation and other gaming consoles

bigman · 18th November 2007, 15:06

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Originally Posted by vinee

Developing a modchip for the PS3 wont be that tedious. It is pointless unless people get hold of BluRay writers, because its mainly about distribution. Getting an altogether abandoned format for their games was clever on Sony's part but it has massively backfired and come the day (if ever, though highly unlikely) when BluRay's prices fall, Sony is going down.

Blue Ray writers are available.

One of the reasons the 360 outsells the PS3 is because they are pretty easy to flash and then you can buy pirated games.

khanak · 18th November 2007, 15:26

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Originally Posted by vinee

Their were speculations about MS putting in Blurays about last year. That was solely because their were apprehensions about both the formats and MS wanted to cling to the one that caught on better. Now that they have come out with an HD DVD player, its certainly evident who's leading.

Its an external add on drive which means in case HDDVD loses the format war, MS can just start shipping BRD add on drives instead.

IronWolf · 18th November 2007, 16:14

Expect lots more PS3 titles than Xbox titles. PS3 should also be easily cracked shortly.

vinee · 18th November 2007, 19:02

@bigman: Writers are available, but for god's sake, don't you guys consider costs? Its a bit of a downer. It would be only possible when these things get as common in existence as a DVD. For that to happen the manufacturing costs have to go down significantly or at least the bosses have to cut down on their massive profits and stop exploiting the gullible demographic in the name of gigabytes.

And then there will be the compression issue. Most of the people won't be willing to download 8Gb worth of data for one game.

Its not just about technical advancements, specially in this case because the two contenders are almost head to head. Finally, common sense dictates, it would boil down to the costs and profits. For a new tech-gadget to catch up, one needs to consider the whole lot in terms of consumers. Not just the stinking-rich. Primarily the reason why Paramount Pictures and Dream-Works chose HDDvd and rubbished the other one.

vinee · 18th November 2007, 19:10

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Originally Posted by khanak

Its an external add on drive which means in case HDDVD loses the format war, MS can just start shipping BRD add on drives instead.

Why didn't they put in the Bluray external instead until a clear winner emerged?

Are you people pretending to be this ignorant? Because if you are, you are really doing a good job.

bigman · 19th November 2007, 00:16

I picked up a 60gb PS3 today. Not very impressed with the graphics on the demos I downloaded (Juiced and the new NFS). The graphics look very similar to what I could get from my old Xbox with games like Project Gotham Racing 2 etc.

Glad I only paid the equivalent of £136 for it.

So what games do max the PS3 out in terms of graphics ?

khanak · 19th November 2007, 00:21

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Originally Posted by vinee

Why didn't they put in the Bluray external instead until a clear winner emerged?

Are you people pretending to be this ignorant? Because if you are, you are really doing a good job.

MS is part of the HDDVD camp, but the very fact that theyre not offering it as an internal drive shows how much confidence they have in the format.

jassi · 19th November 2007, 07:43

try resistance fall of man, formula 1 and then there are quite a few new ones launched like warhawk, etc which I haven't tried. Oh try and get the stranglehold demo its amazing if you like those shooting games

tadukuttan · 19th November 2007, 18:45

Had picked up a XBox 360 to play Forza 2 some time back. Forza is a great game, although the physics is not very realistic when compared to Colin McRae Rally, or even Toca on the PC. Still good, considering I don't have to boot into windows on the laptop to play the occasional game. And of course, nothing beats playing on a large LCD, in HD.

I also got Gears of War, and then tried a demo of BioShock. It is extraordinarily difficult for me to control the gun, as in aim it right using the controller. Have played practically every FPS that came out, but only on the PC, using a mouse to "look". Is it just me having trouble playing FPS using these controllers, or are there other oldies who have similar trouble?

And my quest to "look" with the controller continues, albeit with Halo3 now. Also, don't see a lot of other dudes online from India playing Halo3. Any around here?

jassi · 19th November 2007, 19:01

tadu i am an ex-gamer (ex cos I had an xbox and then switched to ps3 which got stolen) and have completed gears of war 6 months ago - it is an excellent game and last I was playing halo3 on my friends console which is also really good.
Cant remember if I had any problems though with controllers on both ps3 and xbox, maybe in the beginning

anToNIcHeN · 20th November 2007, 18:39

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Originally Posted by vinee

Do you even know how many movies are out there on HD DVD format as compared to BluRay? Even going by that logic HDs will sell out Bluray.

Historical Blu-ray Release Dates | High Def Digest
Historical HD DVD Release Dates | High Def Digest
Actually slightly wrong here!... do see the numbers!..
infact total no of bluray titles are more than hddvd titles...

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Originally Posted by vinee

Sony had come out with as many as 8 media formats in the past which have went down head-first. HUGE FLOP! They have been gagging us with their DRM craptrap, but luckily we have non-n00bs who can see through their sophistry.

dont forget the Video8, Digital8 and HDV etc...

bigman · 21st November 2007, 03:06

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Originally Posted by vinee

@bigman: Writers are available, but for god's sake, don't you guys consider costs? Its a bit of a downer. It would be only possible when these things get as common in existence as a DVD. For that to happen the manufacturing costs have to go down significantly or at least the bosses have to cut down on their massive profits and stop exploiting the gullible demographic in the name of gigabytes.

And then there will be the compression issue. Most of the people won't be willing to download 8Gb worth of data for one game.

Its not just about technical advancements, specially in this case because the two contenders are almost head to head. Finally, common sense dictates, it would boil down to the costs and profits. For a new tech-gadget to catch up, one needs to consider the whole lot in terms of consumers. Not just the stinking-rich. Primarily the reason why Paramount Pictures and Dream-Works chose HDDvd and rubbished the other one.

People said similar things when games were put on DVD. Costs soon came down. Internet speeds have increased and continue to increase, I remember being on a dial up account but now I have a much faster cable internet setup. The company I am with offers a 20mb which is about 360 times faster than dial up. So d/l a 8gig game will not be such a chore.

Blue_V · 21st November 2007, 08:55

Do the recent Xbox360 products have that ring of death? I read it was cured only for the Elite version. If I buy one here in India, how would I know?

bigman · 21st November 2007, 13:17

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Originally Posted by Blue_V

Do the recent Xbox360 products have that ring of death? I read it was cured only for the Elite version. If I buy one here in India, how would I know?

If you are lucky you may get one with a Falcon chipset. These are apparently the ones to get. However some of the Elite do use the old chipset. Sometimes you can tell from the serial number as to whether it is a Falcon. Google and you might find a few sites.

aggressive_anush · 21st November 2007, 14:53

The 65 nm Falcon chipsets are present only on units from Lot# 0734 onwards produced on or after 8/24/2007.

None of the consoles sold in India including the Halo3 edition consoles have the 65nm chipsets.

The Elite that is available here comes with a modified heatsink, so it does have better cooling.

18th November 2007, 16:14	#288
IronWolf Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Benga-loo-ru Posts: 1,569 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage	Expect lots more PS3 titles than Xbox titles. PS3 should also be easily cracked shortly.
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18th November 2007, 19:02	#289
vinee Newbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: sofia Posts: 8 Thanked: 0 Times	@bigman: Writers are available, but for god's sake, don't you guys consider costs? Its a bit of a downer. It would be only possible when these things get as common in existence as a DVD. For that to happen the manufacturing costs have to go down significantly or at least the bosses have to cut down on their massive profits and stop exploiting the gullible demographic in the name of gigabytes. And then there will be the compression issue. Most of the people won't be willing to download 8Gb worth of data for one game. Its not just about technical advancements, specially in this case because the two contenders are almost head to head. Finally, common sense dictates, it would boil down to the costs and profits. For a new tech-gadget to catch up, one needs to consider the whole lot in terms of consumers. Not just the stinking-rich. Primarily the reason why Paramount Pictures and Dream-Works chose HDDvd and rubbished the other one.
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19th November 2007, 00:16	#291
bigman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NA Posts: 1,224 Thanked: 93 Times	I picked up a 60gb PS3 today. Not very impressed with the graphics on the demos I downloaded (Juiced and the new NFS). The graphics look very similar to what I could get from my old Xbox with games like Project Gotham Racing 2 etc. Glad I only paid the equivalent of £136 for it. So what games do max the PS3 out in terms of graphics ?
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jassi BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 980 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	try resistance fall of man, formula 1 and then there are quite a few new ones launched like warhawk, etc which I haven't tried. Oh try and get the stranglehold demo its amazing if you like those shooting games Last edited by jassi : 19th November 2007 at 07:56.
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19th November 2007, 18:45	#294
tadukuttan BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 241 Thanked: 24 Times	Had picked up a XBox 360 to play Forza 2 some time back. Forza is a great game, although the physics is not very realistic when compared to Colin McRae Rally, or even Toca on the PC. Still good, considering I don't have to boot into windows on the laptop to play the occasional game. And of course, nothing beats playing on a large LCD, in HD. I also got Gears of War, and then tried a demo of BioShock. It is extraordinarily difficult for me to control the gun, as in aim it right using the controller. Have played practically every FPS that came out, but only on the PC, using a mouse to "look". Is it just me having trouble playing FPS using these controllers, or are there other oldies who have similar trouble? And my quest to "look" with the controller continues, albeit with Halo3 now. Also, don't see a lot of other dudes online from India playing Halo3. Any around here?
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19th November 2007, 19:01	#295
jassi BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 980 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	tadu i am an ex-gamer (ex cos I had an xbox and then switched to ps3 which got stolen) and have completed gears of war 6 months ago - it is an excellent game and last I was playing halo3 on my friends console which is also really good. Cant remember if I had any problems though with controllers on both ps3 and xbox, maybe in the beginning
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Blue_V BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 173 Thanked: 67 Times	Do the recent Xbox360 products have that ring of death? I read it was cured only for the Elite version. If I buy one here in India, how would I know?
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21st November 2007, 14:53	#300
aggressive_anush BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 97 Thanked: Once	The 65 nm Falcon chipsets are present only on units from Lot# 0734 onwards produced on or after 8/24/2007. None of the consoles sold in India including the Halo3 edition consoles have the 65nm chipsets. The Elite that is available here comes with a modified heatsink, so it does have better cooling.
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