[volkman10]

Originally Posted by romeomidhun

Seems like the car is very very wide - wider than Ciaz?

GC will change for India variants. Expect to be 170 mm..

The New Baleno is wider than Ciaz. Ciaz width is 1730mm

Key dimensions:

Length: 3,995mm; Width: 1,745mm; Height: 1,470mm (1,460mm with SHVS); Wheelbase: 2,520mm; Minimum ground clearance: 120mm (110mm with SHVS); Tread front/rear: 1,520mm with 185/55R16 tyres (1,530mm with 175/65R15 tyres)

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/16/2...rankfurt-2015/

[WRXXX]

Originally Posted by rajneeesh

Auto / AMT transmission will ultimately find its way to the Indian Market in the Baleno.

I am wishing they instead go with e-Clutch as that will be best of both worlds, pseudo "auto" mode in City and almost manual when you want it. Well all this is wishful thinking. I heard Tata Kite is going to have e-Clutch not sure if e-Clutch is the way to go forward instead of AMT.

http://www.bosch-presse.de/pressefor...=en&txtID=6362

And for those further interested in the operations of the e-Clutch google shows the demo videos
(I didn't want to clutter this post by posting e-Clutch videos and taking your attention from the cool looking YRA(Baleno) hatch!! )

[Rajeevraj]

Since the AT is expected to come with a CVT, wonder if it is the same box that was doing duty in the Kizashi? If that is the case, looks to be a decent 6 speed unit with Tiptronic and Paddle Shifts. The Rubber band effect may be prominent if mated to the 1.2 NA engine, maybe would be better suited for the Boosterjet.

Some details about the AT Box from the Kizashi review thread

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post2255500

[romeomidhun]

Originally Posted by sourabhzen

Zen was destroyed by Maruti by using it with Estilo. Baleno is far safer than Zen. However, a new name would be much appreciated.

Yes, but this can be the rebirth of Zen

[volkman10]

NDTV reviews the Baleno - First Look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM2AQV6KAso

[methecupid]

Originally Posted by volkman10

NDTV reviews the Baleno - First Look

Thanks for the steady stream of info on easily one of the most awaited launches of the year Volks!

Couple of takeaways;



It was obvious but now confirmed, the SHVS tech on the diesel will be onboard. Expecting that to keep costs low as far as the oil burner is concerned.



It gets an arm rest console for the front seat, which is great news! But can't locate any air vent.

Added to this, SVP said that the AT will be there in the CVT guise "at launch" �� And the fact that it goes head on with the Jazz and i20, expecting the top end to be around 9.5-10 lakhs OTR. Anyone else as hopeful as I am?

[filcord]

Originally Posted by romeomidhun

Maruti, please name it Zen, Super Zen, Super Swift or Esteem. But no way Baleno. It is such a boring name.

I, for one, as a former Baleno owner, am happy to see the name back. The original Baleno was a rocket. The engine is something I have not experienced again at that price point.
However the new Baleno does not have the same pedigree. It appears to be a tricked-up Swift, with a tad more space.
Disappointing.

[thatsdileep]

MS is still going with the same old 1.3 L Diesel mill. Of course its the proven engine that has been powering pretty much all their diesel cars but when they are trying to step up the ante by offering this one as a premium car thru Nexa, they should atleast offer the 1.6L option. I don't think this 1.3L mill can compete with 1.5L engines from Honda, VW, Ford (Figo) unless it undergoes some serious bit of tuning. Especially with SHVS all they are looking for is the FE and not the performance. Of course it might still sell in the range 3-4k units a month with the MS badge.

[Maxthrottle]

The car looks really good stance, is wider and lower than elite i20. Engine options seem to be good as well but what Maruti Suzuki needs to do is launch a RS version with better and fatter tyres, black ORVM and black spolier and 1.4 boosterjet with MT and around 9 Lacs ex showroom.

[prashanthyr]

One of the few Suzukis that looks well built. I hope Maruti launches it with
a. Rear Disc brakes
b. Multiple airbags - not just front, but side, curtain too

or am i asking for too much?

[romeomidhun]

Originally Posted by filcord

I, for one, as a former Baleno owner, am happy to see the name back. The original Baleno was a rocket. The engine is something I have not experienced again at that price point.
However the new Baleno does not have the same pedigree. It appears to be a tricked-up Swift, with a tad more space.

Agree with you on the performance of the good old Baleno. I was solely referring to the name "Baleno"

I had almost bought a 2006 used Baleno in 2011 after experiencing the sporty driving characteristics, but was warned by my brother about low mileage and parts availability. So, bought a Swift in 2013

[PetroTurbo]

This something I dont understand in this forum. People bash MSL for Overpricing 1.6 S Cross in ine thread, and people want Baleno with 1.6 option as the trusted 1.3 by MSL is in all their cars

If MSL provides the 1.6, we should be aware that it is an imported unit and will be expensive. Then people will again bash MSL for overpricing the Baleno 1.6, thats not how it is expected. We have to be patient till MSL starts manufacturing their own 1.5 Diesel or te FIAT 1.6 is locally manufatured to lower the costs. Once that is done MSL will plonk the monster in all its variants. I dont think MSL is a company with DUDS in the senior management in R&D and Planning team. They would ave thought about it and they will be working on something feasible for India. The Cross 1,6 is a teaser from MSL on what to expect from MSL in the next 2-3 years

So please relax and wait for MSL to do their job

AM not quoting anyone as it is not a one on one complaint, its just the frustration against the janta in TeamBHP

[WRXXX]

Originally Posted by thatsdileep

MS is still going with the same old 1.3 L Diesel mill. Of course its the proven engine that has been powering pretty much all their diesel cars but when they are trying to step up the ante by offering this one as a premium car thru Nexa, they should atleast offer the 1.6L option. I don't think this 1.3L mill can compete with 1.5L engines from Honda, VW, Ford (Figo) unless it undergoes some serious bit of tuning. Especially with SHVS all they are looking for is the FE and not the performance. Of course it might still sell in the range 3-4k units a month with the MS badge.

One doesn't have to come up with a new engine for the sake of it. If the existing engine is faithful and can be tuned, re-tuned to produce equivalent or more power with better fuel efficiency then I don't understand why anyone would just plonk a 1.5 engine for the heck of it. People who are buying cars based sheerly on cubic capacity are really old school IMHO. Where would Ecoboost 1.0L OR 1.2 TSI engine be in that way.

Also, using engine across many models if possible keeps the overall costs down, what doesn't work is one pays 10+Lakhs and doesn't expect to be overtaken by a Swift (which is silly if you ask me!). And that is the only
reason I see why a POLO TSI engine is not offered across the range.

I was just imagining what would run in the mind of all those VW/Audi customers wherein the same engine is employed all over and what would happen to BMW i8 when it is carrying puny engine but producing mighty power for the price tag of multi crore?

For example:- 1.9 TDI has the following applications according to Wikipedia
Of course with different state of tunes.

Audi 8L A3 (Mk1) (AHU: 09/96-08/00, AHF: 01/97-04/02, ALH: 08/97-06/01, ASV: 09/99-06/01), Audi B4 80 (1Z: 09/91-07/95), Audi Cabriolet (1Z: 07/95-07/96, AHU: 07/96-08/00), Audi B5 A4 (1Z: 01/95-07/96, AFN: 02/96-07/99, AHU: 08/96-06/00, AHH: 04/97-09/01, AVG: 08/99-06/00), Audi C4 A6 (1Z: 07/94-06/96, AHU: 07/96-10/97), Audi C5 A6 (AFN: 04/97-04/01, AVG: 08/99-10/00)Ford Galaxy Mk1SEAT Ibiza Mk2 (1Z: 07/96-12/96, AHU: 12/96-06/99, AFN: 03/97-06/99, ASV: 03/99-05/02, AGR: 04/99-05/02, ALH: 10/99-05/02), SEAT Córdoba Mk1 (1Z: 07/96-12/96, AHU: 12/96-06/99, AFN: 03/97-06/99, ASV: 03/99-08/02, AGR: 04/99-08/02, ALH: 10/99-05/01), SEAT León 1M (Mk1) (ASV: 10/99-10/05, AGR/AHF: 11/99-09/02, ALH: 05/00-10/05), SEAT Toledo Мк1-Mk2 (1Z: 04/95-12/96, AHU: 06/96-03/99, AFN: 12/96-03/99, ALH: 03/99-07/04, AGR: 04/99-09/02, AHF: 10/98-09/02, ASV: 10/99-07/04), SEAT Alhambra (1Z: 03/96-07/96, AHU: 07/96-02/00, AFN/AVG: 09/97-02/00)Škoda Octavia 1U (Mk1) (AGR: 10/96->, AHF: 08/97->, ALH/ASV: 08/00->)Volkswagen Polo Mk3 Classic / Variant (AHU: 01/97-08/99, ALE: 11/97-08/99, AFN: 06/98-08/99, AGR/ALH/ASV: 10/99-09/01), Volkswagen Golf Mk3 (1Z: 07/93-07/96, AFN: 02/96-08/99, AHU: 07/96-06/00), VW Vento/Jetta Mk3 (1Z: 07/93-07/96, AFN: 02/96-12/97, ALE: 01/97-12/97, AHU: 08/96->), Volkswagen Golf Mk4 (ALE: 05/96-12/01, AHF: 10/97-05/06, AGR/ALH: 10/97->, ASV: 05/00-05/06), VW Bora/Jetta Mk4 (AHF/ALH: 09/98-05/05, AGR: 10/98-05/05, ALH: 11/98->, ASV: 05/00-05/05), Volkswagen New Beetle (ALH: 01/98-06/04), VW Passat B4 (1Z: 10/93-12/96), VW Passat B5 (AFN: 03/96-08/99, AHU: 08/96-08/00, AHH: 05/98-08/00, AVG: 08/99-08/00), Volkswagen Sharan (1Z: 09/95-07/96, AHU: 08/96-10/00, AFN: 12/96-07/99), Volkswagen Caddy (1Z: 10/96-03/97, AHU: 10/96-09/00, ALE: 09/97-09/00, ALH: 09/00-06/03)

So one needs to step back and see if it is really required to change the engine for the heck of it, if it is trust worthy and proving good in power and efficiency. I would think otherwise. If you are looking for an enthusiast option then I agree one should wait for Maruti to come up with the downsized 1.6L. But not for competing in the market for sure, they seem to be doing pretty well with the 1.3 MJD itself. Infact they seem to be running circles around everyone else, and with the new Baleno I expect them mostly do that to i20 as well.

[thatsdileep]

Originally Posted by WRXXX

One doesn't have to come up with a new engine for the sake of it. If the existing engine is faithful and can be tuned, re-tuned to produce equivalent or more power with better fuel efficiency

Exactly my point...re-tuning the engine to deliver more power is what is required from the 1.3L mill and may be an option of 1.6L for enthusiasts. But general trend of MS is to tune the engines for better mileage rather than improvement in power.

[cjsarora]

Originally Posted by thatsdileep

Exactly my point...re-tuning the engine to deliver more power is what is required from the 1.3L mill and may be an option of 1.6L for enthusiasts. But general trend of MS is to tune the engines for better mileage rather than improvement in power.

Agree 100%
And this trend stems from the experience MS has had in the Indian market, where the 'Kitna Deti Hai" mentality will always rule the masses and few aficionados can make do with the modifications with their vehicles.