[shravan2k2]

Originally Posted by PrasunBannerjee

They did this color thing on the Hexa too. Too late after the launch the Arizona blue was introduced. IMHO, it's not a bad thing. Maintaining costs to some extent and not skimping on features. I expected base variants to not have DRLs and projector headlamps and other LED treatment.

Maybe soon we'll still see no DRLs and halogens on base models, or maybe no infotainment (even D segment Corolla does it)

Base has no infotainment system

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by discoverwild

I read that BS-6 engines can't run on BS-4 fuel. The engine is BS6-ready. So I guess, when the norm kicks in with regards to the fuel, the vehicle might need a catalytic converter change to accept the less polluting fuel.

Given the way our Government dilly-dallies over everything, there's no guarantee yet that the norms would kick in at the expected time.

The BS-6 engine by itself is supposedly an expensive change compared to the BS-4. So, Tata seems to be on the right track.

I am almost quite sure we do have BS-6 compliant diesel car. If I remember right, current S-class and E-class wagon have the same, heck even Jawa's engine is said to be ready for 2020.

Cost cutting might be a valid reason for Tata to ditch the idea right now. Performance too might take a hit, so there was no need for BS-6 ready engine.

[Durango Dude]

Viewed in isolation: Harrier is Wow! But when we take the competition in perspective then without an automatic then it makes less sense! It's covered by Jeep at the top and Creta at the bottom, giving it very less leeway in pricing. Creta has auto and manual options for both diesel and petrol and Jeep has an auto option only for its petrol as of now.

[octane_100]

I am beginning to wonder if Tata has made the Harrier a little too big on the outside? One of the factors going for Creta is its perfect size where it is just right for city and comfortable for those highways. Having said that, this thought process may be in the minority as in our society, no car can be "too big".

[drjkonline]

Originally Posted by rovingeye

I have a different take on this. A lot of fellow bhpans are speculating (and hoping) that the price on launch day will be lower than the range officially announced by TATA through various channels.

I doubt this. If the actual price is too far away from the range they have indicated, it would signal a lack of decisiveness and can be perceived as weakness by the general population. Sort of like - TATA wanted to price it high, but backed off because of a lack of confidence in its own product. Product price announcement is serious business, especially for a conglomerate like TATA. They will not want to be seen as indecisive and amateurish. In my opinion prices for the variants will fall within the announced range - 16 to 21 lakhs.

I'd love to be proved wrong.

I agree with you that the final price is likely to fall in the announced range.

But I disagree about the perceived weakness of Tata if they announce a lower price, especially among car buying general public. While we have extensively dissected the Harrier in this thread without any one of us actually seeing one without wraps, the general public is aware of very few details. In my friends circle people only know that Harrier is about to be launched. So only a small percentage of us are aware of the leaked features and speculated pricing.

A lower final price, while unlikely, is going to be welcomed by all. The perceived lowering of the price(a imagined discount) will overwhelm any perceived weakness of Tata to command a high price. Don't we all look for year end discounts or other price drops manufacturers offer to push up sagging sales. We are not easily put off by a lower price alone, as long as the product is perceived as being good. We car buyers are a greedy bunch!!

[kalleo4]

TATA HARRIER Studio Film 4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdR_...ature=youtu.be

[prakash_ajp]

Wow, suddenly from a country that predominantly runs on the VXi/VDIs and XM/XE, we have become a country that drives only top of the line automatic cars. Come on guys, the folks who go for the top variant of a smaller car is minuscule in comparison to the number of people who buy the basic/mid variant from the next segment. If you are in the former group, well and good; you made the right choice.

Just today, I ran into six different Nexons and barring one (which was an XZA+), all were XT/XM. In a similar context/discussion, somebody mentioned that they see lot of automatic Hexas but till today, I have seen just one or two XTAs. So, with this ground reality, I don't think Tata is losing much. Yes, there will be potential customers who would have only wanted AT, but I suspect the ratio will be too small. But it would have been still nice if they tell us what their plans for the AT are.

But my biggest disappointment with the car is the color options. Apart from the Orange, not a single color I like (I feel white will look decent, but I will never buy a car in white). Even the grey doesn't appear to be dark enough.

I will reserve rest of my opinion/prediction to post price-announcement!

[hiren.mistry]

Originally Posted by octane_100

I am beginning to wonder if Tata has made the Harrier a little too big on the outside? One of the factors going for Creta is its perfect size where it is just right for city and comfortable for those highways. Having said that, this thought process may be in the minority as in our society, no car can be "too big".

I guess that is another reason why the Creta is so popular, it's roomy enough for 4 passengers to travel in comfort and not so big to be driven in crowded cities/metros. Of course having a choice when it comes to engines - petrol and diesel also help. What sweetens the deal is the option of an automatic on both the engines.
Despite being overpriced, it's a runaway hit for Hyundai.

[Durango Dude]

Originally Posted by prakash_ajp

So, with this ground reality, I don't think Tata is losing much. Yes, there will be potential customers who would have only wanted AT, but I suspect the ratio will be too small. But it would have been still nice if they tell us what their plans for the AT are.

I swore by manual till I bought a Honda City CVT and believe me getting stuck in traffic wasn't all that painful after all. Traffic is getting worse by the day and an automatic is the way to go. I still drive a manual and like it but not when stuck in a traffic.

[DieselAddikt]

I am amazed at how people get worked up when someone states their opinion about a car. Most people here talked only for themselves. Some said they might cancel the booking because they were looking for an AT, which is entirely up to them. If they want to drive an AT, let them buy one and drive. No one has to get offended about it. It is the choice of the person spending the money. And if 3 out of 5 people here either cancel the booking or decide to wait until an AT is released (I am one of them), there seems to be a clear market for AT at this price point. For instance, if Tata manages to sell 1000 units at this price without AT, they could have sold 1200 units with AT. That is all people are saying. As Durango Dude already said, Harrier, in isolation, is just wow. But the price point they are catering to has stiff competition. Creta with AT on Diesel and Petrol, XUV with AT and AWD and Compass to a certain extend. I believe not having an AT at launch will see them selling less units than what they could have managed with AT.

And by the way, Nexon competes in a price conscious category where as Harrier territory is not that sensitive to pricing (to an extent). So Nexon MT to AMT ratio may be 10:1 where as for Harrier it could be 10:3 or 10:4. If there is no AT in Harrier, they are losing sales. And some people might really want to drive an AT. Can't blame them, can we?

[avdhesh15]

Will push the consideration of buying this until the auto version is launched. Am in no hurry so it's good in a way. The initial niggles, if any, might be taken care of by the time the auto is launched.

Car looks awesome by the way! We need some competition across segments (in this case Creta).

[Dr.Suraj]

Originally Posted by mroutlander

BTW, does anyone know what make are the tyres?

Goodyear Wranglers 235/65/R17 (on the XZ variants seen in the media drives)

[SwapnilNalavade]

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[ATRONIX]

Harrier looks like a blend of LR Discovery Sport, Jaguar F-Pace and LR Velar to me. Especially the rear end seems to be heavily inspired by the Velar. Appreciate Tata for bringing in such a striking design for under 20L. The road presence of this vehicle is going to massive. For someone who can't afford anything from the LR stable can get a taste of it at a fraction of the cost. Those will be the prospective buyers of the Harrier in my opinion.

[prakash_ajp]

Originally Posted by DieselAddikt

I am amazed at how people get worked up when someone states their opinion about a car. Most people here talked only for themselves. Some said they might cancel the booking because they were looking for an AT, which is entirely up to them. If they want to drive an AT, let them buy one and drive. No one has to get offended about it. It is the choice of the person spending the money. And if 3 out of 5 people here either cancel the booking or decide to wait until an AT is released (I am one of them), there seems to be a clear market for AT at this price point. For instance, if Tata manages to sell 1000 units at this price without AT, they could have sold 1200 units with AT. That is all people are saying. As Durango Dude already said, Harrier, in isolation, is just wow. But the price point they are catering to has stiff competition. Creta with AT on Diesel and Petrol, XUV with AT and AWD and Compass to a certain extend. I believe not having an AT at launch will see them selling less units than what they could have managed with AT.

There's no question of Harrier selling more with an AT option, but my point is "not by much "and certainly not like end of the world without an AT. What I don't understand is why so much fuss being made about one particular car not having an AT option. Clearly there are other vehicles, both below, par and above in the price spectrum.

Originally Posted by DieselAddikt

And by the way, Nexon competes in a price conscious category where as Harrier territory is not that sensitive to pricing (to an extent). So Nexon MT to AMT ratio may be 10:1 where as for Harrier it could be 10:3 or 10:4.

I doubt the ratio is that high. Like I pointed out, it certainly doesn't appear to be the case of Hexa. If that's the case, the inclusion of AT in Jeep line-up should have brought more sales, but it didn't. One might say it might be selling more with a diesel AT, but then that would also be a theory. I wish we had the numbers (of how many members here own an AT vs otherwise) to talk about.