[cheap_deal]

Originally Posted by cheap_deal

1.schumi
2.alonso
3.massa

go ferrari

wow i was close, didnt expect Monty to get up on podium.
Massa only 4th.

[tifosikrishna]

Originally Posted by merve_extreme

10 laps in the end is different to 28 laps that Alonso was following him and he had a fantastic pit stop opportunity.

if you read the post race press conference, you would see that both MS and FA acknowledge that it is almost impossible to overtake in this circuit, unless the person in the front makes and obvious mistake. hence 15 or 20 laps doesnt make much of a difference.

Originally Posted by merve_extreme

did you see what lap Michael did when Alonso pitted.a 1.25.9 something which was much faster than 1:27...he was doing when Alonso was following him.that is called a masterstroke.

thats true class from schumi, and thats why i am a tifosi.

Originally Posted by merve_extreme

the fact is Alonso did not try really hard to pass schumi,because all he is interested in is championship points and not race victories,so he did not risk throwing away the 2nd place by making a adventurous move and that is not a sign of a truly great driver.

we are looking for a racing spectacle, but we must understand that with millions of dollars involved, its not with FA alone to decide to go for the 1st place or stay put behind MS.. hence we must understand the bigger picture... btw, i feel same would have been the case even if MS had followed FA.

[merve_extreme]

Originally Posted by tifosikrishna

we are looking for a racing spectacle, but we must understand that with millions of dollars involved, its not with FA alone to decide to go for the 1st place or stay put behind MS.. hence we must understand the bigger picture... btw, i feel same would have been the case even if MS had followed FA.

do u really think MS and alonso are bothered about monetry damages caused due to crashing their cars?that may be a creteria for super aguri or midlands not for high budget teams like ferrari and renault.

[tifosikrishna]

Originally Posted by merve_extreme

do u really think MS and alonso are bothered about monetry damages caused due to crashing their cars?that may be a creteria for super aguri or midlands not for high budget teams like ferrari and renault.

i think you have misunderstood me. since the ultimate aim of any team is to win the world championship, flavio would be happy with the 8 points and FA extending his lead in championship rather than going in for an highly unlikely overtaking maneuver and ending the race with no points.

on the contrary, had aguri and midlands had been in that position, they would taken the fight down to the wire, by that they will get maximum media coverage and secondly it provides the drivers to prove their mettle, which may help them in their quest to move to teams.

[Deeps]

Originally Posted by merve_extreme

the fact is Alonso did not try really hard to pass schumi,because all he is interested in is championship points and not race victories,so he did not risk throwing away the 2nd place by making a adventurous move and that is not a sign of a truly great driver.

Its a sign of a mature and a cool-headed driver and worthy champion...unlike someone who has won half his races due to pit strategies and banging others off the track!

[tifosikrishna]

Originally Posted by Deeps

...unlike someone who has won half his races due to pit strategies and banging others off the track!

drivers skill is of paramount for any pit strategy to work, how many times we have seen michael doing blistering laps in and out of the pits for the strategy to work... how many are capable to respond to such situations...

btw, pit strategies are centred around drivers skill to respond instantly to the demands of the situation.. so there is no denying the fact the michael is class above the rest.

[RX135]

It was after quite a few years that I watched complete F1 race, right from start to post-race conference. Icing on the cake was Schumi finished on the top. It was worth all the time.

It was really class driving by Schumacher in those last 28 laps. Alonso surely had faster car and neither of them was not making any mistake. Both were as if checking who winks first. Alonso finally made a mistake and Schumi took off from there. It was interesting since Schumi controlled and slowed pace of the race till then. The moment Alonso made a mistake, Schumi increased pace to create gap of 2+ seconds, which Alonso just could not cover.

Good to see Schumi finally back on the top.

P.S.: I don't think calling Schumacher as Shoemaker shows good taste.

[merve_extreme]

Originally Posted by Deeps

Its a sign of a mature and a cool-headed driver and worthy champion...unlike someone who has won half his races due to pit strategies and banging others off the track!

ok michael is the worst driver and only wins because he crashes into others.alonso is the best driver ever.fine.

i know you are a Michael hater from the bottom of your heart.will you never give the man his due.how many championships has alonso won ? one.

the closest driver ever to michael in the current era was mika and that was it.alonso is good(very good infact) but he is like prost who made calculated moves to win the championship.

by the way how many times did michael take out somewone to win a race.one may twice or maybe thrice or say 10 times.that man has won 75 other times.during that era(early and mid 90's) everyone was that aggressive even senna and prost used to tussle.

[karthik247]

Originally Posted by Deeps

Its a sign of a mature and a cool-headed driver and worthy champion...unlike someone who has won half his races due to pit strategies and banging others off the track!

It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning.

It takes a lot more than pit strategies and banging people to keep a car which is faster than yours at bay for a good 25laps. I bet Alonso would have made a million mistakes if he was in the same spot with Michael driving a faster Ferrari. Alonso had to try so hard that he himself was making mistakes with a car that had good brakes n more performance while Michael was suffering from brake problems and his car.

Alonso is fast, but he doesn't have the experience, skill, guts and the technique of Michael Schumacher.

[Aditya]

You guys better keep your tempers in check.
Both MS and Alonso should be admired for the way they drove yesterday - MS for bringing a car with fading brakes across the finish line in first and Alonso for being sensible like he was last year. It was a nice race to watch.

[Deeps]

Originally Posted by tifosikrishna

drivers skill is of paramount for any pit strategy to work, how many times we have seen michael doing blistering laps in and out of the pits for the strategy to work... how many are capable to respond to such situations...

btw, pit strategies are centred around drivers skill to respond instantly to the demands of the situation.. so there is no denying the fact the michael is class above the rest.

TK, I agree with all that you have said! But to say that avoiding unnecessary risks to score a solid points finish which could be the deciding factor for the championship is "not a sign of great driver" then by the same logic neither are Schumacher's wins that arise from pit strategies rather than overtaking on the track.

P.S.: I don't think calling Schumacher as Shoemaker shows good taste.

Neither does calling Alonso arrogant and selfish. I am only misspeliing the name!

i know you are a Michael hater from the bottom of your heart.will you never give the man his due

No, i am not a "Michael hater from the bottom of my heart". But I don't overlook his flaws and give him god like status. And i did say that it was a well-deserved victory for ferrari.

It takes a lot more than pit strategies and banging people to keep a car which is faster than yours at bay for a good 25laps

Yes, it also takes an extremely narrow track where overtaking is next to impossible. ALONSO AND MICHAEL HAVE BOTH TESTIFIED TO THAT!

I bet Alonso would have made a million mistakes if he was in the same spot with Michael driving a faster Ferrari

Thats exactly what the scenario was last year. And let me refresh your memory. It was Alonso who kept a cool head and it was Michael who was locking up his tyres left right and centre in desperation. Does that mean Michael (or even Alonso) was driving poorly? No, its the darned track which didn't allow any overtaking possibilities. If it was any other track the Michael could have taken the lead...same thing that Alonso could have done this year!

Alonso is fast, but he doesn't have the experience, skill, guts and the technique of Michael Schumacher.

Experience: ok so he maybe only 24 years of age and lacks a bit of experience. But that doesn't make him a bad driver.

Skill: He is the current world champion which he won fair and square despite being in an inferior car for most of the season!

Guts: He overtook THE Michael Schumacher on the outside of the 130R at Suzuka last year!

Technique: He is probably one of the smoothest drivers on the grid and knows exactly when to and when not to push his machinery...despite "lacking experience" as you claim.

It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning.

Exactly! But the difference is that he has got his eyes set on winning the championship rather than individual races!


I've justified my arguments. But if the people that see the world only through red tinted glasses want to carry on blabbering on then do so.

[karthik247]

Lets just sit back and watch them head to head and decide. This argument ain't gonna help anyone.

And mind you, Ferrari and Bridgestone were struggling very badly last year. Its no way to justify this, but just to make sure they weren't 100%.

[vinod]

Micheal was driving not really driving a perfect car like at the very start of the race ! he struggled with his tyres right after the first pit stop which allowed alonso to gain 1.2 sec every lap thus eating into his 10 sec lead. so schumi should be given credit for bringing his wounded car in first place.

Moreover, schumi was leading in front of alonso and hence thre was more pressure on him to drive perfectly which I think he did brilliantly added to this his "wounded car" situation AND the burden of home win for ferrari.... means that there was WAY MORE pressure on him than Alonso and despite all this he drove almost a faultless drive for 20+ laps !!!! While alonso even though trailing behind schumi DID MAKE TWO ERRORS.... NO such errors were made by schumi !
So it was way more than the pit stop strategy that won ferrari the race.

[LandCruiser]

Alonso never struggeled and won. Whereas Kimi and Schumi have come back from bad situations as well as with a not so perfect and reliable car. Alonso has always took the advantage of passing quick in the beginning and driving crazy on a clear track.

Put him down on 20 sometime and he will come to maximum 10 or 9 but not 1 like kimi has done before.

[Deeps]

Originally Posted by karthik247

Lets just sit back and watch them head to head and decide.

Only way that can happen is if they were given equal machinery. But in reality situations such as:

Originally Posted by karthik247

Ferrari and Bridgestone were struggling very badly last year...but just to make sure they weren't 100%.

will keep occuring.