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In its life of 47K kms, CPC2 got punctured 7 times in total. With 2 successive puntures during my Goa trip in Aug 2013 and one last week. Need to keep a record of this for future reference ![]() Yeah, 50K is big money to spend on tyres but, its a necessary expenditure. This month itself blew 2 lakhs on this and a couple of other things ![]() | |
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| ![]() Avi, Michelin 3ST is a direct competitor to Yoko AVS dB V550. The only differences are that 3ST is bi-directional, may have a softer sidewall (unconfirmed) and of course, is more expensive. I had to change tyres on my BQ a few days back and went with the V550s. Got them at 5.8k per tyre. Another TBHPian got the 3STs for his Civic at around 6.3k per tyre give or take. I don't know how much of a difference size makes but 9.3k per tyre is *steep*. 500 for all 4 old tyres is normal. The V550s have more than just low noise going for them. I did a 1000 km highway run over the next 3 days of getting the tyres and they seriously impressed compared to the OEM Goodyear Eagle NCT5s I had. I've written down my initial experience in the Civic tyres thread. If you were looking for tyres in the PS3 class (basically softer high-grip sport tyres) the following options are currently still available in the market - Yoko S-drives, Yoko Advan, Bridgestone Potenza GIII (although not as sporty as they were previously, they are still gripper than the touring tyres which are the Turanzas) and a certain product line-up (don't know the exact name) of Kenda tyres. Anyway, the 3ST is also a silent touring class tyre like I said. The only reasons I didn't go for them are that the tyre dealer I trust here doesn't stock Michelins and Pirellis (their softer sidewalls make them not very suitable for most roads around here), the 3STs were pricier and were also an unknown quantity. Regards, spadix |
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As mobike008 says the 3STs are also Asia-specific, I am sure their sidewalls will be tougher. Therefore, we can never be sure which dealer is correct. For all that you know, they might be pushing one brand. | |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() Congrats on the new tyres Avinash. Good choice going for V rated tyres as your Cruze can very easily breach the speed rating of H rated ones. Do post a comparison with the CPCs after clocking some miles. Just wondering whether you could have gone for just 4 tyres, since you have gone for the stock size. You could have kept the best CPC as spare. More so since the 3ST is a recent model and will be available for quite some time should any tyre get damaged. Just for the the record, I did not suffer a single puncture in my 43K kms with the M-PLCs. Just lucky I guess ![]() Quote:
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Also entirely possible that since the 3ST is so new, and the dealer had a valid bias against the previous Michelins, he never really bothered to investigate their claim on the XM2s and 3STs and kept parroting the same line (without any malintent). Regards, spadix | |
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When is the RD Box getting an upgrade? Say a triple channel to raise the bar higher? ![]() @RD Guys are you listening/reading?! The WA has got better and tyres for speed now you guys have to give the box an upgrade to match the car! ![]() That expression is natural - Ouch! But not more than a life in that beast. Right?! The most important part of a vehicle are the shoes and no point compromising on the shoes for 10-20K. No offence F-150! Anurag. | |
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That expression was meant to indicate that cars on the other side of 10L need sufficient buffer or reserves for expenditure. I swapped the crappy MRF ZV2K 165 /80/R14 on day one with Turanza ER60 185/70/R14. If I were to replace the tyres on my SWIFT, again with BS Turanza ER 60 185/70/R14, the total expense would be close to 25K. The expense incurred by Avinash is 50K. Expenditure on tyres is very important, at the end of the day, tyres are the only points of contact with the road. Offence - None taken ![]() Last edited by F150 : 20th October 2013 at 17:08. | |
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Btw, I got my tyres fitted from Ashoka wheels as I know Ritesh from past and never had any issues with him Quote:
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Besides, these tyres ( S drives, Advan, Potenza) are notorious for low life. I wanted a tyre which is a beautiful blend of comfort, performance and overall life. Hence, P 3 ST's ![]() Quote:
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+1. Price difference not just from 15" to 16" is exorbitant but, also from 205 section to 215. I was quoted ~ 13K per tyre of Primacy 3 ST for the 215 section Last edited by mobike008 : 22nd October 2013 at 17:34. | |||||||
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V550 is in the same price range. I paid 5800 per tyre for 195/65 R15. V550 vs. ES501 (both are available in the dB or "decibel" product line-up) is a very minor difference. Take a look at the "passenger tyres positioning map" on the Yoko India website. The ES501 is positioned as slightly less premium than and slightly more comfort-oriented than V550. As such, not much difference between these two, as compared to the difference between either of these and the other Yoko products. Of course, V550 is available only with 55 profile in 205-16, whereas ES501 is available in 205/60 R16, which is what you shopped for I think. Besides, the ST in Michelin is "Silence-Tuned" as someone pointed out in this thread itself, if I'm not mistaken. Makes both ES501 and V550 direct competitors to 3ST. Anyway, that's just academic detail. Quote:
Since you mentioned the Pilot Sport, I mentioned the other soft-compound (hence low life but high grip) options. Regards, spadix | |||
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| ![]() I know I'm being picky, but the PS3 and the Advans are a level above the S drives and Potenza G3s (do they still make em? MY01 was the replacement I think), which are harder, noisier and less grippy. |
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Yeah the GIIIs are still available, as are the MY-01s. Apparently the newer GIIIs are also less grippier than the older ones. Now I don't know if even these new ones are old stock getting cleared or still under production. We are going off-topic I'm sure. Apologies, Avi (and WA). Regards, spadix | |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() This could be little too early to form an accurate feedback. Nevertheless, thought of sharing a brief feedback of Michelin Primacy 3 ST after driving for about 200kms over the last 3 days which was covered entirely in the city. Since I had already experienced a better tyre than the OEM (JK Vectra) that were provided by Chevy with Cruze. Let me make this short review constructive by comparing it with Continental Premium Contact 2 (CPC2) which I used for 47,000kms Steering Feel First and Foremost feeling as I pulled away after fitting the tyre was, Woah; Steering feel has become much tighter compared to CPC2. Not sure if its because of new rubber or something else but, from what I recall never felt the same when I fitted the CPC2's. Definetly a big plus and now the steering feels nicely weighted in the hands CPC2 : 3/5 Primacy 3 ST : 4/5 Tyre/Road Noise These tyres are unbeilevably silent and live up to it's suffix of ST ( Silence Tuned). I drove at a maximum speed of 110kmph (run-in period) on mostly tar surface ( thanks to the gorgeous road surface and infrastructure in Hyderabad) with windows open to check on its silence. I was thinking CPC2 are most silent tyres but, these beat them hollow. Love the quality of sound (which is none) CPC2 : 3.5/5 Primacy 3 ST : 4/5 Ride Ride is extremely comfortable and feels like your gliding on feathers laid out on road. Iam being careful over potholes which in any case are rare on Hyderabad roads and there's no jarring noise when i go over them. I would rate these tyres equivalent to CPC2 with regards to ride comfort. 3 ST may infact prove to be better than CPC2 but, it's too early to comment. CPC2 : 4/5 Primacy 3 ST : 4/5 Handling I tired the corners that I do everyday when I drive about 50+ kms to work daily and they stuck to road like a leech. Phenomenal grip and much superior than the CPC2 in this department for sure. I normally take some corners at 80kmph but, tried the same with 100kmph and there was no drama whatsoever, felt safe and car stuck to its line like a well mannered baby. ![]() CPC2 : 3.5/5 Primacy 3 ST : 4/5 Grip (Wet) Believe you me, it's still raining pretty hard in Hyderabad and even yesterday there were thundershowers the whole night. I drove for more than 70kms in rains and the grip is pretty decent but, CPC2's was a different animal in wet conditions. CPC2 used to feel like your driving on dry conditions even in rains, they were that good. But, again it's too early to comment, so i will wait some more before forming a firm opinion CPC2 : 4/5 Primacy 3 ST : 3/5 Grip (Dry) There is nothing to complain about grip in dry conditions. Tyres feel soft, extremely comfortable and grip quite hard on surface. I never used a sports tyre like S-drive, Advan, PS3 etc so I cannot really compare the grippy attitude of this tyre with them but, even for a reasonable enthusiastic driver like me, Iam more than happy with the grip these tyres provide and make a world of difference from the inferior quality tyres which OEM tyres of Cruze. In this department, Iam not sure which tyre was better, need some more kms under my belt to come to an opinion CPC2 : 4/5 Primacy 3 ST : 4/5 FE Would be extremely premature to comment about anything like fuel efficiency but, Iam slightly taken aback with some initial instances as you can see from the picture below, WA seemed to have crossed the 200kms barried at 1/4th tank full. Needle is at 1/4th i have covered 237kms ( previously it always used to be around 200kms, give or take a few kms and then needle starts slowly dropping down). I normally get 600kms to tankful with about 50L-52L of diesel coming in at auto-cut, giving out an average of 11.5kmpl to 12kmpl and the trip meter always goes back to ZERO Summarization : Overall, iam extremely happy with my decision of going in with Michelin, a brand that iam not new to as I have used their XM2 in my previous car and enjoyed that experience as well quite a bit. One strange thing that I note now is car feels little heavier than before and seems to have lost a bit of accelaration, you know the ability to take off seems to have come down a bit. Iam not sure whether it's due to my overall gentler handling of the car due to run-in period of tyres or these tyres have indeed made that difference. Last edited by mobike008 : 23rd October 2013 at 10:05. Reason: typos |
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() Hi Mobike, XENEX where I got my Primacy 3ST installed (for All new Honda City) was adamant to buy the stock old tyres, I had no choice than to leave them at their place without anything in return :-( I have driven close to 100KM on these tyres, compared to MRF they are super quite |
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Are you saying he wanted you to leave stock tyres in his stores even if he was not willing to pay you anything? Why did you even listen to him as its your decision what you will do with old tyres. Bottomline, unless you get a killer deal from any other dealer ( Like I got for my CPC2) its always best to stick to Ashoka Wheels for tyre purchases. | |
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