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2nd May 2020, 18:13 | #1471 | |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Quote:
It is fine for you to be concerned about yourself and your loved ones and think of everyone whose circumstances are the same or similar to yours and see the lock-down as a solution (or a temporary solution). But it is not OK if you are a decision maker entrusted with doing what is best for the population as a whole. A decision maker must put his own interests aside and make a decision that is fair to everyone. Finally, I don't expect to change anyone's views here, because opinions are made based on experience not on mere knowledge and information. So we may just have to agree to disagree. | |
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2nd May 2020, 18:15 | #1472 | ||||||
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020
Sure. I believe what the government has done until now is right and has helped prepare the country in a better way when compared to how other countries have handled it. Quote:
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With this I think I would respectfully disagree with you and I hope you will surely do the same. There is nothing that can be done by complaining about it here. If you are displeased with the way the situation was handled, you are free to take it up in court. A lot of people would definitely support it I guess. With this I would like to stop dragging this pointless discussion. I was just putting out information as it was necessary to look at both sides of the story. | ||||||
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2nd May 2020, 18:31 | #1473 |
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Had a good laugh , In these down times thanks for posting this. Better than any standup comedy i have ever seen. Going to share this. |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Quote:
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Not denying the problems that have arisen (and definitely not underestimating them), but I believe that is why the government has opened up the economy now. Cases will arise, for sure, but we are in a much better position to deal with these than we were earlier or would have been with no lockdown. A little side step here, but if you will allow me the liberty (and I might be going against my own words here), have you looked at Brazil's situation, where the President says - "So what? People die everyday" when asked about 5000+ deaths in his country? You ask why some of us are afraid of what would have happened if there was no lockdown? Here, I'll quote from a news article for you - Quote:
Make no mistake, if such a situation had occurred here, it would be the poor dying by the spades. The rich would be given priority for treatment, while the poor would be left to fend for themselves. Even if we have to reopen tomorrow, due to the lockdown and the associated fears, the middle class and rich would stay home as far as possible. The poor would most definitely get back to work and I am not faulting them for it. But with the upper sections out of the way, the health infrastructure can focus on the less fortunate sections of the society going forward. I found this interesting graph elsewhere sometime back and find it relevant to the discussions of "oh but what about other diseases and deaths". This is data regarding the deaths during the first 100 days of recent pandemics on a worldwide scale - See where H1N1 is after 100 days and see where Covid is after 100 days. H1N1 went on to kill a reported 18,000 people over 20 months, with an unconfirmed reporting of 2,00,000+ deaths. If we had done absolutely nothing, I don't think Covid would have painted a pretty picture for us in India here. We aren't out of the woods yet to say "Oh we've had only a 1000 deaths, why the hullabaloo". There is still a long way to go. Quote:
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I recall that in one of our earlier discussion we spoke of roughly 80,000 deaths worldwide. Today, less than a month later, that number is 240,000+. While it definitely isn't (yet) as severe as road accidents and whatnot, will we begin to fear this disease and take appropriate precaution only when this is the number one cause of deaths? I just peek out of my window these days and I see people riding 2-wheelers with masks but without helmets. While it is comical, this wouldn't have happened if people weren't shown the gravity of the situation, and let's be clear, it isn't a simple flu that we can brush aside what might happen. This is purely my belief, but I doubt I'd have seen the reverence for masks, if there was no lockdown. Quote:
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Again, the government has opened up the country significantly. Meaning, no one in power looks at this lockdown as the sole solution. Most businesses will face challenges if they are inter-connected to different zones. But its still better than the 100% lockdown we had before. I will refrain from commenting on the implementation, since that hasn't happened yet. Quote:
On other terms, is your suggestion that we embrace the risks completely and ignore social distancing and wearing masks? I am a bit confused by your statement above when you say its just not possible. Again, the lockdown isn't the solution, I agree. The disease spread will increase, I agree. But I'd say we've done well so far, even including the huge speedbumps in implementation. I'd rather see what the people in power do next rather than blithely say "lockdown bad 100%". On another note, here is an industrialist who thinks we've done well so far and need to focus on the road ahead. And I must say, I agree with Kiran Mazumdar Shaw's views in this aspect. Differing opinions are welcome, as always Quote:
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Quote:
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If someone who supports this lockdown is from the 3 groups mentioned below, I bow to you.
BTW, those pointing to other countries on lockdown ( which is milder than what we have ), also please put what their governments have done fiscally to ease the pain for the 3 categories of people I mentioned above. And compare to what people here have for from our govt. Quote:
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 I am not going to answer each of the points that you have raised because it is quite unnecessary for me to do so at this point. My old posts should suffice. But, I will answer a few. Quote:
My position right from the beginning has been 100% consistent - the lockdown is bad solution considering the costs. I have always maintained that more people would be negatively impacted by a lockdown than will be by the actual disease. Having said that I acknowledged that the lockdown has curtailed the spread because that much is fact. But, that doesn't mean that it was the right decision. It is similar to walking somewhere instead of driving there. Eventually, you will get to the same place. Quote:
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My point is that based on our choice of our first solution will be what we will run to each time there is a spike. All in all, we are in for a very schizophrenic manner of administration in the months to come. I pity the industry leaders and SME owners who will never get the consistent support they deserve. Quote:
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Time and again, I think that you are confusing my statements with a lack of concern on my part with regards to Covid. You could not be more wrong. Of course, this is not just a normal flu. I certainly know that. My point has always been that the cost of curing this pandemic will far outweigh the disease itself. So, please get that clearly and please don't inundate me with morbid numbers of the disease. I know all of it. I only wish someone would arm me data to respond with with regards to the widespread damage that this and other lockdowns around the world are doing. I am saying that it is near impossible to enforce social distancing and live our lives. Just to cite one example of the difficulty of social distancing, I mentioned our inability to use public transport which is our nation's lifeline. Masks, yes I suppose that is easy. But, the rest isn't. | |||||||
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2nd May 2020, 19:41 | #1477 | ||
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Quick correction, doc. We actually did bring back our own before flights were banned into India, and we footed the bill as a nation, and we had oft-abused govt employees from Air India risking their lives for it. Pretty large-hearted for a poor country, I would say. Last edited by v1p3r : 2nd May 2020 at 19:47. | ||
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2nd May 2020, 20:00 | #1478 |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 A peek into what happens when people are asked to observe social distancing when there is no food to eat: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/02/m...ntl/index.html NOTE: Yes, I understand there are members here who think this is some conspiracy pushed by the elite to make us think the lockdown is causing economic grief to those less privileged amongst us. Not much that I can do to educate them so I don't even care about it anymore. |
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2nd May 2020, 22:21 | #1479 |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Silently built for us? Excuse me, but the daily wagers charged me Rs 1000 per day to build a house in Bangalore (payment has to be daily EOD). Rs. 26,000 a month. But come nightfall they have their odd habits and would be broke by morning. So they themselves don't want to save up and improve their quality of life in good times. Now, should we overstretch and call them 'front-line workers'?. The road layers get 'short changed' by the contractors and that's a different story
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2nd May 2020, 22:51 | #1480 |
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| Re: Rants on Bangalore's traffic situation Is there any official guideline regarding maids from the state Government? The RWA in my apartment is split and it is almost a stalemate now. A govt order can be a tie breaker. |
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2nd May 2020, 23:11 | #1481 |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Not sure if right thread to ask. I have 5 return plane tickets booked from Mumbai to Bangalore for 21st May and obviously we won't be traveling. The Mumbai - Bangalore is through spice jet and return through Go air. We have booked through make my trip website. Now there is no option to cancel these tickets and no money will be refunded too. I am looking at loss of 26K if I don't get any refund. What happens if flights are not allowed when we have our tickets? Do we automatically get refund or airlines will keep the money? |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 Our population is WAY too high to make it easy to find a solution. Similar problems affecting the country as a whole in the future will be worse with the ever growing number of people in the country. I'm sure there will be quite a few "coronialls" produced during the lockdown period. Time for an extremely strict family planning initiative with one child per couple. Distribution of contraceptives and education are important. With regards to the lockdown I think it's the only solution to SLOW the spread of the virus with no vaccine available. If this wasn't done the spread would have taken place at an absolutely alarming rate mainly due to the lack of respect for and availability of personal space. Our hygiene levels are also awful. The toll would have been tremendous. Also in case it matters I'm a small business owner who had a major setback in Jan after a very slow year and was unable to get the ball rolling again before the lockdown started and I guess it will take some time to get started again even if restrictions are removed. Company is in the red but I'm paying my staff from my limited personal funds to tide over this period. |
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2nd May 2020, 23:19 | #1483 | |
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I know the number currently are better than the worst case scenario that you had shared but I am just curious, according to your model what should have been the number by now if there was no lockdown? We are currently at 37K cases and are doing about 70K tests per day. Would like to know by how much have we slowed the growth. -Sunil | |
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1. Reschedule to a later date. 2. Cancel and avail credit note, to be used within12 months. 3. Refund to original mode of payment. Option 3 takes the most time, close to "unpredictable" in today's circumstances. I have INR 20k stuck with airlines for more than a month because I went with option 3. My tickets were booked via Amazon with Air Asia. Amazon has a tie up with Clear Trip. As your travel date gets closer, and if flights are still grounded - 1. Watch out for an e-mail from the Airlines on available options. 2. They will ask you to approach online portals in case you booked through any of them. | |
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| re: India on full lockdown. Edit: Now extended with relaxations till June 30, 2020 I was wondering where the funds of the PM donations are being used. The labourers who are being sent back, the government can't even fund them for their journey? |
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