[arindambasu13]

Originally Posted by Jeroen

As some of you will know I have several relatively modern watches. The last few years I have been looking at vintage watches. I think I might have written something to that effect on this thread some time ago.

I don't know much about the brand Buren, but it certainly looks lovely and slender, perfect as an everyday dress watch to slip under the cuffs.

Also, the Tudor and Datejust are quite stunning. Between the two, the Tudor looks to be more handsomely contoured.

[JoshMachine]

I own 3 watches to suit different needs and moods.

First off, is my Casio Edifice "beater". Been using this for few years now and the quality is top-notch.



Second is the Titan "festive" multi-function manual.



And the third one is my all-time favourite: Samsung Gear S2. With every update, you get numerous functions and watch-faces added to it, thus making it a lively watch to own and use.

[sgiitk]

@JoshMachine; The first is very similar to my Omega Speedmaster Pro. Others are also nice watches. Longevity have be a question, but then so is the price.

[spookey]

New member joins my Orient family - Sun & moon V3 with a curious epson marking on the case back

[Lij]

Added the Orient Blue Ray 2 to my collection. Ordered it from Long Island Watches and shipped it to by BIL who was travelling back to India.

The sun-burst blue dial is just amazing, the way the shades change when moving the watch is brilliant. The build quality is top notch, bracelet is the only part that feels of an inferior quality and look-wise I would have preferred the Mako 2 bracelet over this.

It has the new 22 jewel F69 caliber movement which is both hand winding and self winding as well as hackable with a screw down crown. It has a day-date complication on the 3 o'clock position with the outer bezel having 120 clicks. The lume is also very good.

The movement is an in house one and getting this for almost 185 USD is just fantastic! Prices have dropped further since last week.

A fine brown leather strap would actually dress up the watch quite a bit.

[JoshMachine]

Originally Posted by sgiitk

@JoshMachine; The first is very similar to my Omega Speedmaster Pro. Others are also nice watches. Longevity have be a question, but then so is the price.

Yes sir. I have been eyeing the Speedmaster and the Casio Edifice is perhaps a step in that direction to get it eventually, some day (hopefully soon)

The Edifice is withe me for the past 7 years now.

[arindambasu13]

Originally Posted by spookey

New member joins my Orient family - Sun & moon V3 with a curious epson marking on the case back

The Epson marking is because Orient is owned by Seiko Epson Corporation, a group company which also has ownership interests in Seiko Corporation. Leading many to erroneously think that Seiko and Orient are made by the same companies, when in fact both are independent manufacturers with completely different manufacturing philosophies and processes.

Originally Posted by Lij

The sun-burst blue dial is just amazing, the way the shades change when moving the watch is brilliant. The build quality is top notch, bracelet is the only part that feels of an inferior quality and look-wise I would have preferred the Mako 2 bracelet over this. One of the more brilliant blue dialled watches I have seen in this price bracket.

The Mako oyster bracelet is a little more sophisticated, given the absence of the polished centre link surrounds. On the other hand, when it comes to lume potency, the Ray has the Mako beat. Both are superb value for money watches though!

[navin_v8]

Originally Posted by sgiitk

@JoshMachine; The first is very similar to my Omega Speedmaster Pro. Others are also nice watches.Longevity have be a question, but then so is the price.

This is so not very true when it comes to Japanese watches. Some Japanese watches namely Seiko and Citizen in my family are as old as 45 years and some pushing 50 years. They are automatic mechanical watches with day/date complication with a quick set feature dating back to early 70's. There is an HMT Nishat hand wind mechanical watch too which is from 70's and the design and movement was licensed from Citizen and Miyota Japan.

There is a common misconception among people that only Swiss watches are built to last and one gets what one pays for, but all of that is not true when it comes to Japanese watches which costs less than a quarter of what Swiss Watches do and still punch way above their weight. In the world of horology Japanese watches from the house of Seiko, Citizen, etc. are formidable opponents against Swiss Brands when it comes to quality, durability and longevity. The Japanese automatic mechanical watches that I have which are more than 45 to 50 years old are a resounding witness to this. BTW I just spent about 700 rupees for servicing the Citizen Eagle 7 automatic which was lying in the closet since the last 25 years. I spent another 700 rupees for servicing Seiko 5 automatic which again was lying in the closet for close to 30 years. Ditto for HMT albeit I spent just 250 rupees to service it and all of them were up and running. I got the confidence of servicing them as all of them started ticking the moment I gave them a gentle shake. The Citizen according to my test runs +/- 10-15 seconds per day. Seiko runs +/- 10 seconds per day, while the HMT runs about +/- 12 seconds per day. All three have approximately 36-40 hours of power reserve. BTW the lume on HMT Nishat still works!! but for a very short period of time.

I am attaching photos of the watches mentioned above namely Citizen Eagle 7 Automatic with quickset day/date complication, Seiko 5 ladies automatic watch with quickset day/date complication, HMT Nishat Hand wind mechanical and Titan quartz watch from the early 90's which works like charm.

P.S. Unable to attach all the pics of my watches due to some weird timeout issue while doing through mobile. Will do so later.

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by navin_v8

This is so not very true when it comes to Japanese watches.

There is a common misconception among people that only Swiss watches are built to last and one gets what one pays for, but all of that is not true when it comes to Japanese watches which costs less than a quarter of what Swiss Watches do and still punch way above their weight. In the world of horology Japanese watches from the house of Seiko, Citizen, etc. are formidable opponents against Swiss Brands when it comes to quality, durability and longevity.

Amen to that. I can’t vouch for Seiko mechanical watches, but I have this Seiko quartz chronograph. I bought it late 1980’s. It does need the occasional battery. But even with the new battery it still retains sufficient “water proof-ness” for me to use it when I go snorkelling. When I bought this watch is was quite the top of range for Seiko. I seem to recall paying about $800 for it, which was a lot of money in those days. Bought it in Barbados whilst visiting my inlaws.

Never been repaired, never broken down.

My high end Swiss watches are a lot more finicky. Truth be told, the Seiko outdoes my Omega Speedmasters easily when it comes to accurate time keeping. Hell, a $5 Casio won at the fair outdoes an Omega Speedmaster for accurate time keeping. For the money spend on servicing these high end watches you can buy every year a top of the range Seiko or Citizen.



When it comes to reliability and accurate time keeping I can do even better. Look at my old Pulsar.



When I graduated from Naval College I bought this watch. So that was in 1979 or thereabouts. I needed a very rugged watch that could be on my wrist 24/7 in the engine room, any climate, any conditions. I had this watch on my wrist in the tropics with temperatures in the engine room going over 60oC. I had it on my wrist when we jumped on an iceberg in the polar region. (had to towed out of the way). I swam with it, I waterskied with it, I sailed with it, I dived/snorkeled with it. It has never ever been repaired or serviced. It still has the original rubber strap (which has become a bit fragile now, I must admit).

At the time it costed NLG (Dutch guilders) about 150,--. Which in todays money would be less than Euro 70. And it still going strong, does need a the occasional battery. And yes, it is far more accurate than my two Omega Speedmaster and Breitling Navitimer combined.

Ok, maybe I should not compare mechanical watches with quartz. Still, when it comes to rugges, reliable, accurate time pieces the Seiko’s, Citizens and a quite a few other brands are not to be sniffed at. I have a shoe box full of old watches. Anywhere between 10-35 years old. They all still work! There are a few I keep updated with batteries as I really like to wear them now and then.

Jeroen

[navin_v8]

Originally Posted by Jeroen

Amen to that. I can’t vouch for Seiko mechanical watches, but I have this Seiko quartz chronograph. I bought it late 1980’s. It does need the occasional battery. But even with the new battery it still retains sufficient “water proof-ness” for me to use it when I go snorkelling. When I bought this watch is was quite the top of range for Seiko. I seem to recall paying about $800 for it, which was a lot of money in those days. Bought it in Barbados whilst visiting my inlaws.

Never been repaired, never broken down.

Jeroen mate that's the USP of Japanese watches.

My high end Swiss watches are a lot more finicky. Truth be told, the Seiko outdoes my Omega Speedmasters easily when it comes to accurate time keeping.

Mate I really appreciate your inputs and honesty while appreciating Seiko for what it is and not belittling it before Swiss brands. You indeed know your watches very well.

Hell, a $5 Casio won at the fair outdoes an Omega Speedmaster for accurate time keeping. For the money spend on servicing these high end watches you can buy every year a top of the range Seiko or Citizen.

Mate if you have come across a Grand Seiko which is Seiko's flagship mechanical watch. It actually beats the Swiss COSC standards. Grand Seiko has its own accuracy standards which are much higher than Swiss COSC standards.

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When it comes to reliability and accurate time keeping I can do even better. Look at my old Pulsar.

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When I graduated from Naval College I bought this watch. So that was in 1979 or thereabouts. I needed a very rugged watch that could be on my wrist 24/7 in the engine room, any climate, any conditions. I had this watch on my wrist in the tropics with temperatures in the engine room going over 60oC. I had it on my wrist when we jumped on an iceberg in the polar region. (had to towed out of the way). I swam with it, I waterskied with it, I sailed with it, I dived/snorkeled with it. It has never ever been repaired or serviced. It still has the original rubber strap (which has become a bit fragile now, I must admit).

Like you my Brother in Law is also with the merchant navy and he was on the look out for a tough rugged watch which will survive the tough environment of a merchant ship and seas. I recommended him a Casio G Shock GW7900-B-1(with tough solar and multiband function) which comes with a moon phase and tide graph(although he might not refer to the tide graph as they have high end systems for doing so on the ship) in addition to rugged and indestructible G Shock durability and reliability. As mentioned it has a solar charging feature which charges the battery through any source of light thereby overcoming frequent battery changes. It also has multiband function which enables it to sync with the atomic time by receiving radio signals from 6 different parts of the world. This feature is very helpful for him as he sails to different parts of the world and need not keep on adjusting the time. He currently wears a basic Casio world time digital watch and it is holding on well to the abuse since the past few years. It costed him less than $60 USD to buy it.

Ok, maybe I should not compare mechanical watches with quartz. Still, when it comes to rugges, reliable, accurate time pieces the Seiko’s, Citizens and a quite a few other brands are not to be sniffed at. I have a shoe box full of old watches. Anywhere between 10-35 years old. They all still work! There are a few I keep updated with batteries as I really like to wear them now and then.

Jeroen

That is amazing mate. Keep them ticking. I am glad that these will be passed on to your generations.

Meanwhile I am attaching the pics of my Dad's Old Citizen Eagle 7 Automatic with quick set Day/Date from early 1970's, Mom's Seiko 5 automatic from early 1970's with quick set Day/date, Dad's early 1990's Titan Quartz watch (this was worn by him till 2014, the year which he expired) with date feature. All of them work like a charm with little to no maintenance. Although a little bit of TLC will make them shine like new.

[arindambasu13]

Originally Posted by navin_v8

Jeroen mate that's the USP of Japanese watches.

I have also been one of those who have always been very vocal about the quality and reliability of the Japs. Just like their cars, Jap watches are fuss free, easy to live with and much easier to maintain, while at the same time providing great accuracy and rugged movements. Of course, I appreciate the Swiss watch industry and their innovations, but to say that the Japanese are far behind is just factually incorrect. Case in point: Grand Seiko Spring Drive movements, which are some of the best innovation and accuracy wise.

However, even without going into the relatively high price brackets that Grand Seiko lies in, budget and mid range Seikos, Citizens, Casios and Orients provide immense bang for your buck which Swiss watches would be hard pressed to compete with.

[theexperthand]

Originally Posted by navin_v8

Meanwhile I am attaching the pics of my Dad's Old Citizen Eagle 7 Automatic with quick set Day/Date from early 1970's,

Incidentally,i am wearing this today - my grandfather's Citizen Eagle 7 (1972 vintage). Unfortunately, the day/date complication is not working, but the watch still keeps the time.



--Anoop

[navin_v8]

Originally Posted by arindambasu13

I have also been one of those who have always been very vocal about the quality and reliability of the Japs. Just like their cars, Jap watches are fuss free, easy to live with and much easier to maintain, while at the same time providing great accuracy and rugged movements. Of course, I appreciate the Swiss watch industry and their innovations, but to say that the Japanese are far behind is just factually incorrect. Case in point: Grand Seiko Spring Drive movements, which are some of the best innovation and accuracy wise.

Valid points mate.

Slightly but I wont term the people of Japanese origin or people of Japan in different parts of the world as Jap/Japs. It is equivalent to calling a person of Indian origin as Brownie or person of African origin as Blackie.

However, even without going into the relatively high price brackets that Grand Seiko lies in, budget and mid range Seikos, Citizens, Casios and Orients provide immense bang for your buck which Swiss watches would be hard pressed to compete with.

Agreed. The mid range and even some low range Seiko 5's and Citizen Automatics are incredibly well made and ooze quality. Ah! the Orient, it is a dark horse of the Japanese watch industry and I love its quality and accuracy. I wonder how the Japanese do it on their entry level watches. Maybe it is the Japanese culture of attention to detail and Quality.

Originally Posted by theexperthand

Incidentally,i am wearing this today - my grandfather's Citizen Eagle 7 (1972 vintage). Unfortunately, the day/date complication is not working, but the watch still keeps the time.

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--Anoop

Nice to see someone sporting a 45+ years old Citizen Eagle 7 automatic in the age of smart bands and smart watches. Service it periodically, store it in a watch box and wear it well. It will be good for another few decades. For the day/date complication, I suggest you take it to some old watch tinker who knows what he does on such watches. It will start working.

[theexperthand]

Originally Posted by navin_v8

Nice to see someone sporting a 45+ years old Citizen Eagle 7 automatic in the age of smart bands and smart watches. Service it periodically, store it in a watch box and wear it well. It will be good for another few decades. For the day/date complication, I suggest you take it to some old watch tinker who knows what he does on such watches. It will start working.

I just realized that the day\date complication is indeed working fine - the watch does not have the quickset function, so I need to change the day\dates the hard way.

I managed to set today's date, but the day is not matching - did a fair bit of googling, but did not find a way to set the day.

I tried this method without sucess:

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Pos. 3 - Day and Date change position:
Crown pulled out to the last notch. Position for setting both the day of the week and the date. First, the date is set by moving the hands clockwise past the midnight position two times. Once the date has been set, the day of the week is set by moving the hands counterclockwise past the midnight position two times. The second hand is stopped automatically and will not advance again until the crown is pushed back to Position 2 (does not apply to watches produced before 1972). This is the same position for setting the time.
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Now, I need to find a way to set the day - hope someone here knows a way to help me out

--Anoop

[Aroy]

Originally Posted by theexperthand

I just realized that the day\date complication is indeed working fine - the watch does not have the quickset function, so I need to change the day\dates the hard way.

........

Now, I need to find a way to set the day - hope someone here knows a way to help me out

--Anoop

Normally in most Day-Date models the day and date are set by rotating the knob clock wise or anti clockwise. The knob generally has three position
1. Fully closed
2. Pull one detent - change day or date
3. Pull two detent - change time

It is there in my Tissot, Seiko 5 and Citizen, so it may be a universal method.

The only watch where the date change was complicated was in my Rolex GMT, where you had to advance the hour hand by 24 hours.