The Cricket Thread

rkg · 23rd March 2006, 13:30

hi! all
i feel we should discuss cricket, but what about a guy called verghese kurien. who should have got bharat ratna much before many. further i strongly believe he deserves nobel peace prize.
we should discuss about kurien so that many of the new generation who does not know what he is should know. how our media is more bothred about the comeback of amitabh than the sad exit of dr Kurien as chairman of GCMMF
your views please on the issue

hellraiser0906 · 23rd March 2006, 13:44

seems this thread looks like going everywhere but the cricket way...... rkg, i'd kindly request you to begin another thread on mr kurien, rather than discussing it on this thread? thanks.....
anyway, yep, sachin should be dropped; its been a rather irritating thing of the past years, when everytime he goes through a bad phase, the country says, 'look at his past record...etc'; what many people dont realise is that your past scores aren't what appear on your current match's scorecard... its what you do right now, and on the day. no doubt he's one of the most talented batsmen of this era, but he just always fails to deliver under pressure - look at lara for comparision.
dravid, well... i personally think he's been a bit of a coward lately. 1 - over the ganguly issue, he did not say a word to help ganguly's cause; instead just endorsed whatever chappell was saying... and its a known fact that ganguly and dravid were great/good friends before. its sad how one can throw a friend away for a career there. and 2 - people say dravid opened on those 2 wickets against pakistan, was brave etc; however ... have we forgotten how flat those wickets had already been predicted to be, prior to the match? how much of a challenge would it be anyway; and the real wicket that proved to be a challenge, well he didn't open there; and when he did come out in the second innings to open, he made laxman face the first ball versus shoaib. 3 - if people say our present team has been picked on basis of its fielding capabilities, well, going by the performance in the past 2-3 tests, ganguly would be the best fielder by far! dravid himself has never been an amazing fielder; move him away from slips, and he's a fielder to hide.
i have nothing personally against dravid; i believe he's arguably the best batsman in the world at present; has been a great team man in the past; but his recent behaviour is very little to speak of.
munaf patel's been a brilliant find, let's hope the coach/physio etc nurture him well; his pace and accuracy is something that we've desperately needed.
Rtech, i agree about what to say about the media... overglorified or overbashed...
v1p3r; haha even i'd like it to be motorsport... ........!!!

normally_crazy · 23rd March 2006, 17:56

Hellraiser0906's thread on cricket has been merged with the earlier thread on cricket. Have renamed it as the Cricket thread. Post all cricket related stuff in here.

normally_crazy · 23rd March 2006, 18:00

Coming back to cricket - I think we need to apply the same rules and reasons that were applied to drop Ganguly , to this team now.

Sachin - never really recovered from any injury , is more of an liability now.
Sehwag - I have grown tired of waiting for him to fire after the 254 in Pakistan, another liabilty.
Pathan - The better he has got in the batting dept., the worse he has become in the bowling dept.
Harbhajan - Another liabilty , living on past glory and simply blocking the way for Ramesh Powar.

and to top it we have an inconsistent Yuvraj,Dhoni and Jaffer.

The scene now shifts to the One Day matches - let the fun start.

khaadu75 · 23rd March 2006, 19:19

Hey, Here we go again .... Guys, cumon --- Lets not suddenly start blaming the team all over again !! Every one has a off day so big ******* deal, Even Australia ( WORLD CHAMPS ) cudn't defend a total of 434, does that mean they are a bad team ? The other day there was a debate on some TV news channel about wether we Indians are the most fickle fans in the world -- And the polls said ' YES ' ( didn't surprise anyone ) !!!

I don't want to get into an arguement here but noticing people lambast Dravid, Yuvi, Dhoni, Pathan, etc is just too much !!! Cumon guys ... They havn't done badly in recent times for them to start thinking of new faces or new strategies . Expect changes if they go through a long period of dismal performances which is not happening at all.

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Originally Posted by Rtech

haha. no! But I hate the way the Indian media changes its mind every day. One day we are the best in the world, the next, we are the worst. What happened to supporting your team whether they win or lose?

I agree with you on this Media mind set .... with so many channels and not too many issues to cover they end up making an issue out of nothing ...

...

Just SUPPORT TEAM INDIA -- wether they win or lose !!

Cheers

typeOnegative · 23rd March 2006, 19:24

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Originally Posted by hellraiser0906

dravid, well... i personally think he's been a bit of a coward lately. 1 - over the ganguly issue, he did not say a word to help ganguly's cause; instead just endorsed whatever chappell .... has never been an amazing fielder; move him away from slips, and he's a fielder to hide.

Most of what you are saying here seems to be speculation. Let us go by some hard facts rather than hearsay. That sucks my friend.

khaadu75 · 23rd March 2006, 19:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellraiser0906

- if people say our present team has been picked on basis of its fielding capabilities, well, going by the performance in the past 2-3 tests, ganguly would be the best fielder by far! dravid himself has never been an amazing fielder; move him away from slips, and he's a fielder to hide.
i have nothing personally against dravid; i believe he's arguably the best batsman in the world at present; has been a great team man in the past; but his recent behaviour is very little to speak of.

Hey, Even Johnty when moved out of his fav position was not that good . If you've ever played cricket seriously you'll know that every player has a fav fielding position and comments like this are un warranted --- Or are you also a part of the Media coz that would explain your statements !!!

Cheers

hellraiser0906 · 24th March 2006, 02:15

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If you've ever played cricket seriously you'll know that every player has a fav fielding position and comments like this are un warranted --- Or are you also a part of the Media coz that would explain your statements !!!

i'm far away from the media. and i've played some decent cricket once or twice; thing is, jonty was naturally fit, agile, ready to dive, etc. neither ganguly or dravid(ex and current captain) have ever been like that. so why differentiate between the two, and say ganguly is out of the team for fielding reasons, ...etc?

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Most of what you are saying here seems to be speculation. Let us go by some hard facts rather than hearsay. That sucks my friend.

u cant expect anyone to come out and say that, right? "hey, i'm an idiot, i'm a coward, etc..."? u see what u see, judge it, and come to your conclusions. so i'm offering my views based on how everything seems to be turning out - call it speculation, but thats how sometimes the dirty truth may come out! again, i'd like to clarify, i'm not saying im necessarily RIGHT - i just feel thats whats been happening.

peace.

sidharth_j · 24th March 2006, 04:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by khaadu75

Hey, Here we go again .... Guys, cumon --- Lets not suddenly start blaming the team all over again !! Every one has a off day so big ******* deal, Even Australia ( WORLD CHAMPS ) cudn't defend a total of 434, does that mean they are a bad team ?

I don't want to get into an arguement here but noticing people lambast Dravid, Yuvi, Dhoni, Pathan, etc is just too much !!! Cumon guys ... They havn't done badly in recent times for them to start thinking of new faces or new strategies .

Khaadu,

It is the manner of defeat that leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

India had a collective off day?? I think they have had too many..don't you think? In the Indian Batting hall of Infamy..which houses such gems as the 66 all out in durban, 81 in Bridgetown, 54 all out in sharjah...this latest defeat has pride of place.

I agree..Dhoni/Yuvi/Pathan have done well in the ODIs... played on flat pithces where you could smack thru the line with your eyes closed. They are simply not cut out for test cricket :-(

Test cricket is where skill matters..the ability to save a match. I think the current lot just dont have the stomach for a fight. I mean just think abt it...they were beaten by effectively an England A team..which was missing 6 of their ashes winning team. Just imagine if their full strength team were here. We would have been murdered!!

normally_crazy · 24th March 2006, 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by khaadu75

Hey, Even Johnty when moved out of his fav position was not that good . If you've ever played cricket seriously you'll know that every player has a fav fielding position and comments like this are un warranted --- Or are you also a part of the Media coz that would explain your statements !!!

Cheers

Khaadu,
Every fielder has a fav position but then these days isnt cricket a game of flexibility ? For example - we have Kaif at covers for most of a one day match but when the slogs are on , dont we find him fielding in the outfield ,covering up for slower fielders ?

As for batting - we have our stalwarts except Dravid keep having collective off days which is not good. We saw in Pakistan , on flat pitches too Sachin wasnt able to get going nor was Sehwag.

And for bowling - Harbhajan hasnt performed for ages now and still he continues playing , atleast Irfan bats but thats not his first priority is it ? On flat wickets , at his best Irfan comes out as a club bowler.

As for we criticising , cant we even show our dissapointment ? These guys earn big bucks riding on popularity and then when they fail to perform , the very public who made them popular has to keep quiet ? why ?

All that people are saying is that - please apply the same logic and reasons that were applied when Ganguly was kept out of the team. Reasons were - bad fielding and no batting form. So now on these 2 reasons do you think Laxman, Sachin, Yuvraj, Irfan, Harbhajan warrant a place in the team ? I dont think so.

sidharth_j · 24th March 2006, 11:05

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Originally Posted by normally_crazy

And for bowling - Harbhajan hasnt performed for ages now and still he continues playing , atleast Irfan bats but thats not his first priority is it ? On flat wickets , at his best Irfan comes out as a club bowler.

As for we criticising , cant we even show our dissapointment ? These guys earn big bucks riding on popularity and then when they fail to perform , the very public who made them popular has to keep quiet ? why ?

... Irfan is nuthing but a club bowler. Period.

OF course we need to show our disappointment. I mean *** is this?
Constant Experimentation, absolute pea brained decision making, the team's absolute unwillingness to fight back under pressure. Why can't they do that?

None of these losses seem to rankle these so called top class cricketers.
Top class my a**!!!

hellraiser0906 · 28th March 2006, 11:51

so........... 35.3 overs into the first ODI between England and India at the Kotla, Delhi. India 146/7, Pathan just out. whats up with our guys? first they infuriate Kolkata, then anger Mumbai, the cricket capital ....... now they're aimin for the centre - Delhi - itself?

finneyp · 20th April 2006, 22:28

Despite repeated failures by Kaif, less than average performances of Venugopal Rao and Raina (only 1 good innings by him), they have been retained for the West Indies tour.
And Ganguly with his impressive record in one-day cricket, have been left out of the Team, only due to selfish interests and personal vendetta by More, Chappel & Dravid!!!

khaadu75 · 21st April 2006, 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by finneyp

Despite repeated failures by Kaif, less than average performances of Venugopal Rao and Raina (only 1 good innings by him), they have been retained for the West Indies tour.
And Ganguly with his impressive record in one-day cricket, have been left out of the Team, only due to selfish interests and personal vendetta by More, Chappel & Dravid!!!

Hey, Lets see what you mean by selfish interests and personal vendetta by the 3 mentioned musketeers ???? Lets wake up and face the facts that since Chappel has come in there is an amazing flexibility in the Indian team and they all are performing their roles in all kinds of ways ... Do you remember the Indian team have such kind of flexibility ever ...

Instead of getting onto the 3 mentioned ppl why don't we accept that none of us Indian selectors or coaches had the vision that Chappel has shown -- He is the one who insisted to the coaches that he wanted to build a team for the WC '07 and everything else is a build up to that . Why did he insist that he wanted a handful of super fast bowlers and he also stated that they would be found in the vast villages of India and not in the BIG METROS , selectors since then have started watching domestic games involving smaller states. And I'm sure you will guess why go rural looking for a fast bowler ???

He's given the young kids a platform where to perform with the knowledge that they should go out and play their natural game .. don't think of the repurcussions !! That kind of confidence by ur captain, coach and selector does a lot for ones confidence .. and if you watching correctly you will see that it shows on the field . Did you see the young Sreesanth beat Shoaib Malik in the mind game ( Malik has played way more than the young Sreesanth ) and that got Malik out in the next few deliviries -- ITS ABOUT ATTITUDE !!

Criticism is good -- but I suggest you should just support them no matter what... PLAIN AND SIMPLE

Cheers

sidharth_j · 29th May 2006, 07:12

I just have to post here after this infuriating and humiliating loss to..of all the teams, the West Indies!.

Give a big cheer to the Indian team...they managed to lose 4-1 to a team that has been whipped by just about every other team on the planet..

This is disgusting

! Only team India is capable of such rubbish play as they displayed on the last ODI yesterday.

Our humiliation will be complete when we lose the test series the same way...i just cant see this incompetent bunch....tigers at home and pussycats abroad even try to put up a fight after this drubbing.

For heaven's sake; they made Dwayne Bravo...a silly trundler at best look like the next Malcom Marshall...what next???

23rd March 2006, 13:30	#46
rkg Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 1,044 Thanked: 599 Times	Dr V Kurien hi! all i feel we should discuss cricket, but what about a guy called verghese kurien. who should have got bharat ratna much before many. further i strongly believe he deserves nobel peace prize. we should discuss about kurien so that many of the new generation who does not know what he is should know. how our media is more bothred about the comeback of amitabh than the sad exit of dr Kurien as chairman of GCMMF your views please on the issue
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23rd March 2006, 13:44	#47
hellraiser0906 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 43 Thanked: 0 Times	seems this thread looks like going everywhere but the cricket way...... rkg, i'd kindly request you to begin another thread on mr kurien, rather than discussing it on this thread? thanks..... anyway, yep, sachin should be dropped; its been a rather irritating thing of the past years, when everytime he goes through a bad phase, the country says, 'look at his past record...etc'; what many people dont realise is that your past scores aren't what appear on your current match's scorecard... its what you do right now, and on the day. no doubt he's one of the most talented batsmen of this era, but he just always fails to deliver under pressure - look at lara for comparision. dravid, well... i personally think he's been a bit of a coward lately. 1 - over the ganguly issue, he did not say a word to help ganguly's cause; instead just endorsed whatever chappell was saying... and its a known fact that ganguly and dravid were great/good friends before. its sad how one can throw a friend away for a career there. and 2 - people say dravid opened on those 2 wickets against pakistan, was brave etc; however ... have we forgotten how flat those wickets had already been predicted to be, prior to the match? how much of a challenge would it be anyway; and the real wicket that proved to be a challenge, well he didn't open there; and when he did come out in the second innings to open, he made laxman face the first ball versus shoaib. 3 - if people say our present team has been picked on basis of its fielding capabilities, well, going by the performance in the past 2-3 tests, ganguly would be the best fielder by far! dravid himself has never been an amazing fielder; move him away from slips, and he's a fielder to hide. i have nothing personally against dravid; i believe he's arguably the best batsman in the world at present; has been a great team man in the past; but his recent behaviour is very little to speak of. munaf patel's been a brilliant find, let's hope the coach/physio etc nurture him well; his pace and accuracy is something that we've desperately needed. Rtech, i agree about what to say about the media... overglorified or overbashed... v1p3r; haha even i'd like it to be motorsport... ........!!!
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23rd March 2006, 17:56	#48
normally_crazy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,305 Thanked: 543 Times View My Garage	Hellraiser0906's thread on cricket has been merged with the earlier thread on cricket. Have renamed it as the Cricket thread. Post all cricket related stuff in here.
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23rd March 2006, 18:00	#49
normally_crazy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,305 Thanked: 543 Times View My Garage	Coming back to cricket - I think we need to apply the same rules and reasons that were applied to drop Ganguly , to this team now. Sachin - never really recovered from any injury , is more of an liability now. Sehwag - I have grown tired of waiting for him to fire after the 254 in Pakistan, another liabilty. Pathan - The better he has got in the batting dept., the worse he has become in the bowling dept. Harbhajan - Another liabilty , living on past glory and simply blocking the way for Ramesh Powar. and to top it we have an inconsistent Yuvraj,Dhoni and Jaffer. The scene now shifts to the One Day matches - let the fun start.
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28th March 2006, 11:51	#57
hellraiser0906 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 43 Thanked: 0 Times	so........... 35.3 overs into the first ODI between England and India at the Kotla, Delhi. India 146/7, Pathan just out. whats up with our guys? first they infuriate Kolkata, then anger Mumbai, the cricket capital ....... now they're aimin for the centre - Delhi - itself?
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20th April 2006, 22:28	#58
finneyp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,762 Thanked: 400 Times View My Garage	Ganguly ignored again!!! Despite repeated failures by Kaif, less than average performances of Venugopal Rao and Raina (only 1 good innings by him), they have been retained for the West Indies tour. And Ganguly with his impressive record in one-day cricket, have been left out of the Team, only due to selfish interests and personal vendetta by More, Chappel & Dravid!!!
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29th May 2006, 07:12	#60
sidharth_j BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney, AU Posts: 139 Thanked: 37 Times View My Garage	I just have to post here after this infuriating and humiliating loss to..of all the teams, the West Indies!. Give a big cheer to the Indian team...they managed to lose 4-1 to a team that has been whipped by just about every other team on the planet.. This is disgusting! Only team India is capable of such rubbish play as they displayed on the last ODI yesterday. Our humiliation will be complete when we lose the test series the same way...i just cant see this incompetent bunch....tigers at home and pussycats abroad even try to put up a fight after this drubbing. For heaven's sake; they made Dwayne Bravo...a silly trundler at best look like the next Malcom Marshall...what next???
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