[Amazing]

Originally Posted by nkrishnap

Here we go with the picture of the spanner that was supplied with the jack kit.

Attachment 1028271

The spanner is marked with 17mm size. However, you need to really push the spanner in the slot where the bolts are mounted to ensure it does not slip.

I am going to throw away this one and get a better one to use in case I need to remove the wheel from the car.

Thank you for the pic.

Yes ,Mine is a different one, no marking of size / make like yours. Even today again I tried pushing it inside fully on the wheel nut , it was just freely rotating :-) all over. It looks a dealer play!

Need to buy one asap..apart from asking Fiat/dealer to give a replacement.

[nkrishnap]

Originally Posted by Amazing

Thank you for the pic.

Yes ,Mine is a different one, no marking of size / make like yours. Even today again I tried pushing it inside fully on the wheel nut , it was just freely rotating :-) all over. It looks a dealer play!

Need to buy one asap..apart from asking Fiat/dealer to give a replacement.

Try picking up one from the market with the rachet type and a 17 size bit. Ensure you buy a long bit else it will be useless.

[Amazing]

Originally Posted by nkrishnap

Try picking up one from the market with the rachet type and a 17 size bit. Ensure you buy a long bit else it will be useless.

Will check.

Now , for my peace of mind, I checked the tool kit bag for the first time ..the contents are as below, can you pls check if its same as yours Linea 2012:

- 1 jack
- 1 spanner
- 1 screw driver
- 1 tow hook

Thats It! If not, I need to take up with the dealer.

[nkrishnap]

Originally Posted by Amazing

Will check.

Now , for my peace of mind, I checked the tool kit bag for the first time ..the contents are as below, can you pls check if its same as yours Linea 2012:

- 1 jack
- 1 spanner
- 1 screw driver
- 1 tow hook

Thats It! If not, I need to take up with the dealer.

The contents you mentioned are exactly the same except for the 17 size spanner. Get that fixed and you will not find yourself stuck to change the wheels. Also picking up a tyre inflator will add a bit more of piece of mind.

[autocrat]

Originally Posted by Omtoatom

Thanks mate.

The car is a shade under three and a half years old. So wasn't under any illusions whatsoever. However IIRC, the belt was replaced during my last service and hasn't done more than 2K KM since. So the fan belt shouldn't be squealing. Which is probably why the SA, who knows the car inside out and is well aware of the service history keeps insisting that there's no problem! I intend to get it checked out anyway.

May be the pulley is making noise.. Or even water pump. Check if they need lubrication or replacement.

[Amazing]

I am facing a strange problem with the ignition key , in my 2012 linea MJD, with 7K on the odo.

Suppose at a traffic signal >2 mins wait, I switch off the engine by turning the key back to STOP position from the usual MAR position while driving.

Now when i want to restart the car, I turn it from STOP position to MAR position, but after that when i want to turn on the ignition, key does not move. [ It happens in 70% times].
in 2nd /3rd attempt, by going to STOP --> MAR --> AVV position, it works and car starts.

[ This invites obvious honks from behind at signals]

Is this a normal behavious coming out of some safety precaution set by FIAT or a sure shot defect , which I should highlight to FIAT A$$ immediately. I fear , one day it might not start at signal at all
and other people around might break my pretty Linea!

It never happens in morning/evening starts from parking slots ...I mean starting after long gaps in hours.

Pls suggest / clarify this behaviour from your experience. I fear to go to TA$$ for anything.

[akshay4587]

Originally Posted by Amazing

I am facing a strange problem with the ignition key , in my 2012 linea MJD, with 7K on the odo.

Suppose at a traffic signal >2 mins wait, I switch off the engine by turning the key back to STOP position from the usual MAR position while driving.

Now when i want to restart the car, I turn it from STOP position to MAR position, but after that when i want to turn on the ignition, key does not move. [ It happens in 70% times].
in 2nd /3rd attempt, by going to STOP --> MAR --> AVV position, it works and car starts.

[ This invites obvious honks from behind at signals]

Is this a normal behavious coming out of some safety precaution set by FIAT or a sure shot defect , which I should highlight to FIAT A$$ immediately. I fear , one day it might not start at signal at all
and other people around might break my pretty Linea!

It never happens in morning/evening starts from parking slots ...I mean starting after long gaps in hours.

Pls suggest / clarify this behaviour from your experience. I fear to go to TA$$ for anything.

Key in my Linea used to get stuck intermittently.
Then one fine day,i made the mistake of spraying WD-40 in the key slot(Strange since i have fixed a lot of key slots using WD-40),and it happened,the key would not turn at all.Got in touch with after sales and they quoted expenditure of around 10K and a One month waiting period to source the lock kit and key from Italy.You need to have the code card handy if you plan to take this route.I managed to start the car once and drove straight to the guy who does Flip keys for cars,and the he got the lock removed and repaired in 60 mins and charged 500 bucks,no problem since then.

PS-Your car is a 2012 and under warranty,take it up after sales and have the lock kit replaced with a new one.

[forester]

Originally Posted by Amazing

I am facing a strange problem with the ignition key , in my 2012 linea MJD, with 7K on the odo.

Well, I face the same issue quite often in my 2009 Petrol Linea E pk. And after a number of hit and trials, I have finally found a very simple solution to this.

When you turn the engine off by turning the key from AVV to the STOP position, then don't just halt at the STOP position. Instead, take the key completely out of the key hole and then insert it again. Now when you need to start the engine, rotate it all the way to AVV in one go, and start the car. The key would turn without any issues when done like this.

Also, like majority of the things need a lot of force in this car, rotating the key is no different affair. The key turns much smoothly when I insert it such that the FIAT logo on the key fob is towards me and not towards the speedometer. This way, you have much more surface area to apply force with your thumb as opposed to the case when the remote lock buttons are towards you, as they take up all the space on the remote and you cannot apply much twisting force with your thumb as it would lead to the accidental pressing of either of the buttons while doing so.

I think this should work for you as well. Please try and then report.

[Amazing]

yes, will try tomm at the signal and let you know. Thanks.

[Amazing]

Originally Posted by forester

Well, I face the same issue quite often in my 2009 Petrol Linea E pk. And after a number of hit and trials, I have finally found a very simple solution to this.

When you turn the engine off by turning the key from AVV to the STOP position, then don't just halt at the STOP position. Instead, take the key completely out of the key hole and then insert it again. Now when you need to start the engine, rotate it all the way to AVV in one go, and start the car. The key would turn without any issues when done like this.

I think this should work for you as well. Please try and then report.

Forester, I tried your solution in 2 signals consecutively , and it worked both times. Now am Wondering , is this a defect at all , or it is the right way , the key is expected to behave as per Fiat Design ?

Akshay - Definitely I will validate this with the Fiat engineer in my next service in March '13( I know one remotely) and dealer both. Will go for replacement route, if its a genuine issue , else I really dont like anyone to tamper with the factory finish car :-).

In the mean time, lets see what other Linea owners share with us on this issue if at all it exists in their machines. Good Day!

[aks_karthik]

Originally Posted by Amazing

Forester, I tried your solution in 2 signals consecutively , and it worked both times. Now am Wondering , is this a defect at all , or it is the right way , the key is expected to behave as per Fiat Design ?

Akshay - Definitely I will validate this with the Fiat engineer in my next service in March '13( I know one remotely) and dealer both. Will go for replacement route, if its a genuine issue , else I really dont like anyone to tamper with the factory finish car :-).

In the mean time, lets see what other Linea owners share with us on this issue if at all it exists in their machines. Good Day!

Seems this is Normal and used to do it every time. It might be a design of the safety feature prevent from starting the already running engine.
what i do is, stop the car by turn the key to STOP position and immediately move to MAR position and wait, so that you can start from that position itself. Any how i'll chek it again in the evening and let you share the details.

[Amazing]

Originally Posted by aks_karthik

what i do is, stop the car by turn the key to STOP position and immediately move to MAR position and wait, so that you can start from that position itself. Any how i'll chek it again in the evening and let you share the details.

Yes actually in my case, it is stuck while trying to move from MAR to AVV posiition ...thats the issue. In your case, it seems that , you have not faced any issue while moving from MAR to AVV , even at signals ( without taking out key from hole) .

will wait for your checks ....

[thumpingbull]

Originally Posted by Amazing

Yes actually in my case, it is stuck while trying to move from MAR to AVV posiition ...thats the issue. In your case, it seems that , you have not faced any issue while moving from MAR to AVV , even at signals ( without taking out key from hole) .

will wait for your checks ....

Amazing. I hope you are not turning the key too much when you reach the mar position. There's certainly a safety feature where the ignition key gets stuck if its not fully turned or turned a little more than the MAR. One has to bring it back to stop and turn it again and maybe remove the key fully from the keyhole and try again.

[amit_mechengg]

Originally Posted by Amazing

Now when i want to restart the car, I turn it from STOP position to MAR position, but after that when i want to turn on the ignition, key does not move. [ It happens in 70% times].
in 2nd /3rd attempt, by going to STOP --> MAR --> AVV position, it works and car starts.
It never happens in morning/evening starts from parking slots ...I mean starting after long gaps in hours.

This is how it works. When you switch off and keep it again in MAR position for a long it prevent further cranking of the engine.
Its the normal feature on all Puntos and Lineas.

All you need to do is tilt the key to total stop position i.e totally anticlockwise and then start the car normally by turning the key to ignition i.e clockwise.

I see that you stay in Pune. The pune signals are quite short. I would definetely tell you that you should stop the habit of switching off the engine at signals if you really want to save your turbo. You are not saving any fuel as such.

Also FYI fiat MJD engine has one of the lowest consumption i.e 560ml per hour while idling in AC. Please do the calculations accordingly.

[Amazing]

absolutely love the explanation of Amit and the rationale behind 'not switching off at Pune signals' . Yes , the turbo saving is more significant for me.

amazed at the idle fuel consumption of mjd , love it :-)