GQ Run II (Golden Quadrilateral Run II)

pypkmsrikanth · 15th April 2009, 19:01

@ Ramky - No amount of thanks can equal the help you have done to both Arindam & Shiv. Looks like this stretch of the road has been done with poor alignment. If sign boards are not helping may be its time for bringing on the "Mysore Road" speed breakers to prevent accidents - but with proper warning signs

btirthankar · 15th April 2009, 20:07

I am heart-broken to see the crash pictures. Only 4 days back I took snaps of this vehicle in BBSR and the next day, I spent 16 hours in this vehicle.

As mentioned earlier, I was impressed by Shiv's driving skills and responses but blame it on our unscientific road designing that an incident like this happened.

akroy · 15th April 2009, 20:10

Ramky Sir, The Scorpio looked like somersaulted a few times unlike the swift which I think looks pretty firm.
Atleast at the looks it doesnt look that bad to go for a TOTAL LOSS. May be some major structural damage inside.

Abhi

arindamray · 15th April 2009, 22:29

Reached home; most probably at the same time if the 'RUN' was completed successfully.

Surveyor had come and inspected the vehicle. But it will take them 5-6 days to decide whether it will be a total loss or not. Shiva is taking morning flight back tomorrow.

It is sad that we had to abort the trip at the 75% stage, but definitely the 4500 km run was enjoyable and getting to meet fellow tbhpians - tirthankar, hitanshu, suman and ramky was great.

ramkya1 · 15th April 2009, 22:49

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Originally Posted by akroy

Ramky Sir, The Scorpio looked like somersaulted a few times unlike the swift which I think looks pretty firm.
Atleast at the looks it doesnt look that bad to go for a TOTAL LOSS. May be some major structural damage inside.

Abhi

The police guy said the Scorp turned turtle on the same curve but nobody lost lives, some were hurt; they were most amazed that our guys got out without a scratch!!!!! Shiva was not wearing his belts (Shiva, you have used up all your luck, better start now).

The Swift, as reported by Shiva, was on the sharp curve, the rear right hit the divider and he must have lost control and ran off the road and fell into a ditch.

The MASS guy spoke to me at 9 pm, said the power steering was gone, the engine could be OK, but if the value of the spares and repair exceeds the WDValue of the car, its better to go for total. From what I have seen, the chasis could also be out of kelter; it would take a lot of money, repair and tinkering to get it back to previous condition. A lot of time and effort while you can go for a new car, yes, the financial loss would be about 1-2 L. I consider that negligiable as both came out unscatched, got out of a dicey border area, we could take some quick decisions, got moving and reached Ahmedabd around midnight, unloaded the car and got the surveyer to get the process on and both can go home to their families.

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Rocky_Balboa · 16th April 2009, 09:02

Glad everyone made it safe.
Hope no one gets to experience this, never again.

I personally feel, it should be marked a Total Loss; no amount of repair-work on the chassis would bring back to the original condition.

DHABHAR.BEHRAM · 16th April 2009, 10:34

Dear Ramkya1 - hats off to you. 10 on 10 for your help to the team. I would like to mention another such road. It starts from Ghoti near Nasik and goes to the Bhandardara dam. After the railway crossing, there are a series of very poorly made left turns where similar incidents have happened. I go there for testing so I know but others have been unlucky. We must be careful. As far as the car is concerned, I think that they may agree to a body shell change instead of totalling the car which seems unlikely looking at the photographs.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

Hurrycane12 · 16th April 2009, 10:55

I know for Shiv it will be a difficult decision to make as he may be emotionally attached to the Car as most of us are, but should look at declaring total loss if the surveryors states the same.

Ramky: You have indeed being a good samaritian. Hats off to you.

akas_chauhan · 16th April 2009, 12:17

I was following this thared silently and it's sad to know about this incident.
Any ways all of you are OK.
Ramky you are an inspiration to others.

snaronikar · 16th April 2009, 14:05

Better make it as total loss and leave the vehicle there in MASS and return to Bangalore and whatever the amount he gets buy a new vehicle (this time a sedan) ;-)

phamilyman · 16th April 2009, 14:53

ok, I'm just being a dumbo here, but would ABS have helped?

dushmish · 16th April 2009, 15:33

Inspiring effort Arindam and Shiv. Happy that you guys came out unhurt. Hat off to Ramky for all his help. Given the personal and professional commitments, doing what he did is commendable.

I had done this stretch in Oct 08 in my Zen. I don't drive fast but the road is so damn good that even a conservative driver like me, with two kids and wife, touched 100 kmph in my Zen. On a certain longish left turn I felt the tyres losing traction and from that secocnd I drove sub 100 kmph. I can understand how the road invites you to drive fast and how it feels to lose traction on a left turn.

I am sure the families of our friends Shiv and Arindam would have been anxious through the trip and specially after knowing about the mishap. I can understand how difficult it will be for them to do similar drives in future. I have been nurturing this dream to do the GQ for quite sometime. If my wife gets to know of this thread she will not let me undertake the drive. But friends, I am gonna do it.

Phamilyman said -
ok, I'm just being a dumbo here, but would ABS have helped?

Phamilyman, I am a dumbo too, but my little understanding of physics tells me that it was the centrifugal force that thew the car off the road and made it lose traction. ABS would help in straight line braking. Gurus, may correct me.

akroy · 16th April 2009, 15:49

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Originally Posted by phamilyman

ok, I'm just being a dumbo here, but would ABS have helped?

No way Hitanshu, He hit the median at high speed. He went out of control and before he could apply brakes he was out of road (high centrifugal force). ABS helps only when you apply brakes.

This was more of a driver fault than anything else.

Abhi

iceman91 · 16th April 2009, 16:58

more than driver fault shouldn't it be driver error???

dushmish · 16th April 2009, 17:31

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Originally Posted by iceman91

more than driver fault shouldn't it be driver error???

+1 for that. It is more of an error than a fault. Are Sam and Thad reading this? One needs to drive on that section to know the difference.

Someone commented on the thread that the quality of road is poor. I would disagree with it. The quality of road is VERY good. The terrain is such that the longish turns are on undulating hilly terrain. Making it difficult to provide adequate banking on corners. The signage is absent (Ramky mentioned they have just put some a few days back). My experience says signage is absent across most of GQ. What say Ramky, Mjyothi, HVK, Khan Sultan?

15th April 2009, 19:01	#181
pypkmsrikanth Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,157 Thanked: 362 Times View My Garage	@ Ramky - No amount of thanks can equal the help you have done to both Arindam & Shiv. Looks like this stretch of the road has been done with poor alignment. If sign boards are not helping may be its time for bringing on the "Mysore Road" speed breakers to prevent accidents - but with proper warning signs
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15th April 2009, 20:07	#182
btirthankar BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Some Moving Vehicle Posts: 816 Thanked: 128 Times View My Garage	I am heart-broken to see the crash pictures. Only 4 days back I took snaps of this vehicle in BBSR and the next day, I spent 16 hours in this vehicle. As mentioned earlier, I was impressed by Shiv's driving skills and responses but blame it on our unscientific road designing that an incident like this happened.
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15th April 2009, 20:10	#183
akroy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Francisco, CA, USA Posts: 2,424 Thanked: 88 Times View My Garage	Ramky Sir, The Scorpio looked like somersaulted a few times unlike the swift which I think looks pretty firm. Atleast at the looks it doesnt look that bad to go for a TOTAL LOSS. May be some major structural damage inside. Abhi
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15th April 2009, 22:29	#184
arindamray BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 750 Thanked: 98 Times	@home Reached home; most probably at the same time if the 'RUN' was completed successfully. Surveyor had come and inspected the vehicle. But it will take them 5-6 days to decide whether it will be a total loss or not. Shiva is taking morning flight back tomorrow. It is sad that we had to abort the trip at the 75% stage, but definitely the 4500 km run was enjoyable and getting to meet fellow tbhpians - tirthankar, hitanshu, suman and ramky was great.
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16th April 2009, 09:02	#186
Rocky_Balboa BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Namma Bengalooru Posts: 693 Thanked: 407 Times View My Garage	Glad everyone made it safe. Hope no one gets to experience this, never again. I personally feel, it should be marked a Total Loss; no amount of repair-work on the chassis would bring back to the original condition.
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16th April 2009, 10:34	#187
DHABHAR.BEHRAM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 3,059 Thanked: 5,409 Times	Dear Ramkya1 - hats off to you. 10 on 10 for your help to the team. I would like to mention another such road. It starts from Ghoti near Nasik and goes to the Bhandardara dam. After the railway crossing, there are a series of very poorly made left turns where similar incidents have happened. I go there for testing so I know but others have been unlucky. We must be careful. As far as the car is concerned, I think that they may agree to a body shell change instead of totalling the car which seems unlikely looking at the photographs. Best regards, Behram Dhabhar
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16th April 2009, 10:55	#188
Hurrycane12 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Puttur Posts: 459 Thanked: 56 Times View My Garage	I know for Shiv it will be a difficult decision to make as he may be emotionally attached to the Car as most of us are, but should look at declaring total loss if the surveryors states the same. Ramky: You have indeed being a good samaritian. Hats off to you. Last edited by Hurrycane12 : 16th April 2009 at 10:59. Reason: added a comment
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16th April 2009, 12:17	#189
akas_chauhan BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Antonio Posts: 596 Thanked: 26 Times	I was following this thared silently and it's sad to know about this incident. Any ways all of you are OK. Ramky you are an inspiration to others.
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16th April 2009, 14:05	#190
snaronikar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 2,845 Thanked: 32 Times View My Garage	Better make it as total loss and leave the vehicle there in MASS and return to Bangalore and whatever the amount he gets buy a new vehicle (this time a sedan) ;-)
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16th April 2009, 14:53	#191
phamilyman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 5,975 Thanked: 4,675 Times	ok, I'm just being a dumbo here, but would ABS have helped?
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16th April 2009, 15:33	#192
dushmish BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 418 Thanked: 83 Times View My Garage	Inspiring effort Arindam and Shiv. Happy that you guys came out unhurt. Hat off to Ramky for all his help. Given the personal and professional commitments, doing what he did is commendable. I had done this stretch in Oct 08 in my Zen. I don't drive fast but the road is so damn good that even a conservative driver like me, with two kids and wife, touched 100 kmph in my Zen. On a certain longish left turn I felt the tyres losing traction and from that secocnd I drove sub 100 kmph. I can understand how the road invites you to drive fast and how it feels to lose traction on a left turn. I am sure the families of our friends Shiv and Arindam would have been anxious through the trip and specially after knowing about the mishap. I can understand how difficult it will be for them to do similar drives in future. I have been nurturing this dream to do the GQ for quite sometime. If my wife gets to know of this thread she will not let me undertake the drive. But friends, I am gonna do it. Phamilyman said - ok, I'm just being a dumbo here, but would ABS have helped? Phamilyman, I am a dumbo too, but my little understanding of physics tells me that it was the centrifugal force that thew the car off the road and made it lose traction. ABS would help in straight line braking. Gurus, may correct me. Last edited by dushmish : 16th April 2009 at 15:40.
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16th April 2009, 16:58	#194
iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	more than driver fault shouldn't it be driver error???
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