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Ahead of the upcoming 2024 Tokyo Auto Salon, Suzuki has unveiled a kei off-roader truck concept in its home market of Japan. Based on the latest generation of the Suzuki Super Carry, it is called the Mountain Trail Concept.
The new Suzuki Super Carry Mountain Trail concept is heavily modified and comes with a host of off-road-specific parts. This includes a diamond-plate front skid-plate, recovery hooks, an external roll cage, a light bar over the front windshield and tube doors. The Super Carry concept also features bucket seats inside, while there is also a spare tire carrier, a set of jerry cans and a breaker bar for any off-road tyre change at the back.
Details of the Super Carry Mountain Trail concept are scarce. Reports, however, do mention that it is powered by a tiny 3-cylinder naturally-aspirated 658cc engine, producing 50 BHP and 59.6 Nm.
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BHPian corneliu recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
First off, congrats to everyone who has managed to buy this car with these dealer discounts. This, ironically brings the vehicle's price to where it should realistically be! Needless to say, us folks who bought this vehicle last year, feel disappointed and a let down by Toyota. Have any of the older buyers been able to get a discount on the accessories?
I've completed >20,000 kms on the odo, and 3 free services. Since everyone is sharing the positives of this car (and there are so many), I'll try and share a few of the real life problems I have faced as I have been using this as a daily + recreational drive:
Blind spots: The A pillars coupled with the side visors (right side especially) create a pretty solid blind spot, especially while turning.
I literally have to crane my neck to look at my left blind spot mirror, which you can see, is completely obscured by the visor:
I like to sit high to have a good visibility down the road and on either side, and at my elevation the rear-view mirror also creates a bit of a blind spot.
Parking sensors: While going off-road, vegetation can constantly trigger the parking sensor and this becomes an irritant, so I normally switch it off. If you forget to switch it back on when you hit the tarmac, as I once did, it can cost you. The low near-forward visibility caused me to bump into a well concealed parking pole!
The parking sensors are must when you're back in civilization; they're especially useful when you are navigating traffic as well.
Engine bay protection: Rats absolutely love Toyota rubber beading! Unfortunately, I did the 3M rat repellent coating in the engine bay a day too late.
Rear bumper: The Hilux has a solid metal rear bumper, but it is a bit strange in that the bottom part hangs below the chassis and there is a gap between the chassis and the bumper so that the wiring of the parking sensors is exposed. While reversing on a trail, I had a freak event where a fallen tree branch, kicked up by the rear right tyre, wedged right into this gap and damaged a parking sensor from inside the bumper.
Articulation: If you have installed the wheel house cladding, beware the rear articulation! Once fully articulated the rear tyre can fall below the level of this cladding, and then this can happen when you are doing the tyre rotation:
Sidesteps: Even with OE sidesteps, this car is a challenge for senior citizens to get into. With aftermarket rock sliders, it becomes outright difficult. One more issue is that the OE scuff plates have a rather flimsy rubber lining along the sides, and due to the height of the vehicle, most people tend to slide their feet off the sides and onto the side-step, and this wears off the rubber lining.
Rear seating: The rear seats are definitely not comfortable for long hauls. The lack of leg room and the stiff upright seating means that anything longer than a 3-4 hour journey, and your passengers will start feeling it. Woe betide the rear seat passengers if there are 3 of them on an 8 hour highway journey! This is primarily a 2 man ute, with extra seating in the rear cabin only for short runs.
Car cover: Because of the pick-up design and sheer size of the vehicle, putting the car cover on is akin to pitching a tent, and initially one will struggle trying to do this single-handed. After some time though, one can do it in under a minute.
Rear left fender flare: Keep an eye out for that always. I have had a couple of incidents where I scraped it, fortunately the Line X coating saved the day.
Ad-blue: The ad-blue tank of the Hilux has a capacity of 17litres, whereas the Fortuner has a 12 litre ad-blue tank. Most Toyota technicians do not know this, and end up doing the ad-blue top up assuming Fortuner specs.
User manual: This feeds in from the previous point. The user manual is absolutely pathetic. No hard-copy, very low in component specific information, and generically aggregated across all international Hilux versions. You literally have to scour the internet to find out more detailed information about this vehicle.
Tyres: I had swapped out to stock spec BFG KO2s as soon as I got the car and I can swear by them. Excellent in mud/slush, no flats till date, and lots of crushed and twisted nails!
However, one gripe with these tyres is the woeful lack of traction on wet / slippery surfaces.
Underbody protection: I installed Metalhouse underbody protection, which has take some solid knocks over time, and done it's job.
Rock Sliders: These have not been of much use so far:
I had them replaced after I scraped my OE side steps a few times over some rocks and realised I needed something more solid. They have definitely made ingress and egress (especially for senior citizens) much more difficult.
Heavy duty load lid: I had mentioned this earlier here. This has really been of great use to me. Some more use cases:
And here is the heaviest payload ever taken by the lid: 400kgs of carpet grass on top!
The additional weight added to my vehicle is as follows:
Underbody protection:15kgs
Rock sliders: 30kgs (15kg each x 2)
Tyres: 25kgs (5 kgs per tyre x 5)
Load lid: 50kgs
All in all, the car is heavier by around ~120kgs over the stock setup. The load lid at the back has definitely reduced the bounciness from the leaf spring suspension a lot. With this additional weight, I am getting a mileage of around 13 kmpl on the highway, and around 8-9 kmpl in city traffic.
Parking is not a problem!
Some pics from recent excursions:
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BHPian petrolhead7002 recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Just got the delivery on 14th June of my Jimny Alpha Grey AT day before. Got the call a day before that the vehicle would be ready. So, I had to ge the loan process done in just 1 day else the car would be Re-allocated.
Overall the delivery experience was still somewhat rude. As the Nexa dealer was pushing on the accessories and extended warranty for the car. I didn't budge on it as I had booked the vehicle on the day of the launch. All of the formalities done and I got the possession at precisely 7 pm.
My initial impressions:
Nonetheless, the next morning I had a trip planned to a Rajgarh, Himachal Pradesh which is approximately 125kms from Chandigarh. I took the Jimny as I was excited to see how it would perform on the curvy, hilly terrain.
Started off in the city, the size gave it the advantage to slip through the slow morning traffic. After about 15kms, the highway. After entering the highway, the Jimny struggled to keep up with the other vehicles on road. The 4speed automatic gearbox started to feel sluggish. The inclines made the engine push on a little more and required momentum even if I had the throttle completely pushed. For a few kms there was a patch of stones on the road. The thin tires started to slip on the stones giving scares to my passenger.
On the drive back I pushed the car a little more and that is when I started to enjoy it. On the highway, when it reached the momentum of 80-100kms per hour it was pretty joyful. The shorter height provided for lesser body roll compared to the Thar on the corners. The Jimny kept up pretty well with its 195 tires on tarmac turns.
Overall impressions:
These were just the reviews of driving it in the city and in hills. Will upload my reviews once I take it on a off-road trail.
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BHPian DogNDamsel recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Had the chance to check out the Maruti Jimny at the showroom. Some points from my side:
The front seats are very comfortable for the spine. And with a nagging lower back pain because of which I always need a small cushion between the seat and my back, the Jimny seats immediately felt snug on the lower back.The ABC travel is short and easier than my Polo.
The backseats with the windows are a little disappointing. Not just tall human passengers, but fur babies (dogs) too will also have an issue in sitting down and letting his tongue fly out the window carefree.
Modularity in the vehicle is completely amiss. They do have bottle holders in the space between the front seats, but dearth of space on the door panels is not acceptable.
I see how this car will do tough terrains and some people can still post "India comes home in a Maruti".. well Nexa but puhtayto- pohtahto.
Honestly, I was apprehensive of this vehicle, but it came off as outright someone who will do what it's meant to do.
In flesh, the colour looks great, and the quality and finish too.
Unlike some of the other vehicles we have tested, where the panel gaps and finish stood out as an eyesore, this vehicle did not disappoint.
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BHPian ph0n!x recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
42,000 KM in 2 years. That is about 15,000 KM from when I started planning for mega updates to this thread, procrastinated, changed jobs, procrastinated, started shuttling between cities, and procrastinated some more.
So guess now is as good a time as any - though I won't be doing mega updates (procrastinate more!). Will make a few mini-updates, covering my life with the Thar for 41,960 KM in exactly two years.
Let me start with the financials - fuel, cost of ownership, stuff that I hope my wife never reads.
If you have been following my mileage reports from earlier (here, here and here), my mileage has been increasing from 11.55 KMPL to 11.61 KMPL to 11.93 KMPL, and 11.99 KMPL being the current. While I have not bothered much about the mileage, what makes the beast more efficient can be summarized in 2 words.
The best mileages I have clocked have invariably been using/ over-using/ abusing cruise control:
This is from a recent travel between Hyderabad and Madras, where I set a GPS speed of 99 KMPH in the ORR, and 90 KMPH rest of the highways. The average speed for this trip was 76 KMPH, and I ended up with my best mileage of 14.09 KMPL after crawling through peak Madras traffic - MID was 15.4 at the end of the ordeal.
Right, with that done, let me look at the other expenditures:
Insurance:
Mods/ Accessories:
Maintenance and running costs:
An interesting trend on the cost of consumables:
If you are an entrepreneur, think about opening up a DEF manufacturing unit - the prices have increased by 70% per liter in 1.5 years!!!
Among the other maintenance consumables, Engine oil prices have gone up by 26% per liter, while that of differential oils are up by 20% per liter. Prices of the filters have remained unchanged though!
DEF, DPF, SCR:
As always, I have had ZERO DPF related issues with my Thar through the 40,000+ KM of ownership. The closest I have come to having an issue was this:
This came up right after the 30,000 KM service, and went off after about 3 driving cycles/ 50 KM of driving.
What was interesting, my Thar had just about gotten a service action for replacement of Engine Wiring Harness, and I was awaiting parts to arrive. As soon as this came up, I raised my panic flag because I was about to do a road-trip for work (~2000 KM), and didn't want to be stuck. Thanks to Mr. Sihabuddeen and Mr. Ronald (M&M), Mr. Dilip & team (CAI Mahindra), getting the part was expedited so that I can travel without this worry in my mind.
The others were only DEF related warning, when I am running low on DEF, with a headroom of 2,400 KM before I am stranded.
I have been using the Thar in city traffic exclusively and continuously for about 2,000 KM in Coimbatore, and 1,000 KM in Hyderabad. Never faced a manual regen situation. Heck, my daily usage for the last 3 weeks were 10 KM to and fro office in peak traffic, which takes me about 30 minutes.
I strongly believe that at least M&M does not have DPF malaise, and anyone who faced one in their Thar invariably changed their Engine Wiring Harness - which leads me to believe it was a wiring issue rather than a DPF/ SCR system related issue.
What would be nice though - having a DEF level indicator in the MID, along with a DPF filter %/ indicator. M&M, please give us a software update with these!
DEF consumption:
I have not decoded why I got a great DEF mileage during the first 10,000 and the last 10,000 KM of usage - nothing stands out when I look at my pattern
Service action:
I had one - the engine wiring harness replacement:
The original part that came with my Thar - part # 1801AW500400N Rev F.
This guy flew in for me - thank you M&M and CAI teams!
The revised part # is 1801AW500950N.
All installed, in place - ready to be tested!
Turbocharger actuator link, auto tensioner and belt replace recalls have not started reflecting for me, this has been posted in Sep '22 - makes me think either these are not official or do not apply to my Thar.
I finally have the official answer to this "feature / mystery" that was pointed out by many BHPians:
This is a part of the exhaust assembly, and is downstream of the DPF/ Catcon - and gets as hot as 400° C apparently.
So my hypothesis that the heating has to do with the AC Temperature knob being set to mid/ warm/ heating is out of the window - there is no lines related to the air conditioning anywhere near the driver footwell! And @Slipstream11 got it right - it is related to the DPF/ Catcon - their downflow, to be precise.
During my recent trip from Hyderabad to Madras, I was driving with the temperature dial midway for a few 100 KMs and there was no heating. And then I noticed it:
The MID flash something about DPF being clogged (the fraction second warning that does not stay). And then it started - the footwell started to get warm and eventually hot. It lasted for about 30 min before things started going back to normal. And during this time, the mileage dropped 2 KMPL even though I was doing constant speeds, mostly on cruise control.
So I guess if your Diesel Thar's footwell is getting warm, it means your DPF/ SCR is working fine - that is one worry less, ain't it?!!
Workaround? Get something like ULS 7D Economy Mats from Autofurnish - you will still feel the warmth, but it never becomes uncomfortable.
That's it today! I will post an update on AVO Suspension soon - as well as a few other itsy bitsy updates!
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BHPian sidbarabari recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
I have a startup and we need to deliver full-sized agricultural drones from time to time. As we are new, I use my own vehicles to take the systems and deliver them. Funny enough, the larger drones fit in the rear seat of Tiago but not in the Xcent. Moreover, I can fold the rear seat of Tiago and use it to take heavy drones as well.
At this point, we have to carry out systems almost every day for testing or for deliveries. I am thinking of picking up an SUV so that I can haul the drones (probably a softer bed). But my budget is very limited as it will be used by my engineers and pilots.
I have seen other companies (most survey companies and not manufacturing ones like ours) use old Innovas and boleros. I had Evalia on my mind for a long time but service becomes a challenge and I am not really looking for surprises as I take shocks on a daily basis (perks of being a founder)
I was looking at MM540 and Bolero but I am unable to make a choice. Please do suggest something. My budget is a little low at 4.2L and I would be happy to maintain it and keep it in condition for the next 5 years.
Update: To be frank, I am using the Tiago because it's what I have and I need to upgrade it to an SUV. Jimny would exceed my budget and I think something from Mahindra would be my best bet. I was also looking at the old safari so that I can use it on highways as well as a crew cab but still remove and use last-row seats for storage
Here's what GTO had to say on the matter:
5 lakhs is a limited budget and any SUV you get will be old, abused or both. I would say the Eeco CNG will be just perfect for your intended usage. There is a reason why it's the default choice of delivery/courier companies in India. Cheap to buy, cheap to run, has lots of storage in the "box" and is abuse-friendly. Also, consider the Tata Ace.
If you are absolutely keen on a used SUV, go for a previous-gen Thar and remove the rear seats for cargo space. It'll serve the purpose of delivery, and you'll enjoy driving it when you do. Alternate options = Bolero or Scorpio.
Avoid the MM540s. They are now too old, too crude and too slow. You'll get a 1st-gen Thar for ~5 lakhs.
Here's what BHPian Dry Ice had to say on the matter:
I think you are on the right track in considering the Bolero. But, I am not sure of the condition of the vehicle you would get under Rs 5 lakh.
If CNG is available around you, you could consider a Maruti Eeco CNG as well perhaps? Service support will probably be similar to that of Bolero, or maybe a tad better.
Here's what BHPian aniketi had to say on the matter:
Go with Eeco eyes closed. You may have to extend the budget a bit for a new one but you will get 100% peace of mind. It gives you maximum sq feet for the money. Also, it's very fuel efficient and easy to drive and maintain. Service is not an issue at all being a Maruti.
Here's what BHPian Voodooblaster had to say on the matter:
Eeco suits your requirements to the T
Alternatively, you can buy Tata Ace for a huge cargo bay, but running a Goods Carrying Commercial Vehicle is a slightly expensive proposition (Taxes, insurance, periodic Fitness tests by RTO)
Used Taveras can also be a good choice; removing the last row of seats (forward-facing type) will give you lots of space. if it's the jump seat variant, you can simply fold it. The front and middle-row seats will be reasonably comfortable. Being a Chevrolet, they will come cheap and go cheaper. 2016 models with approx 1.50 lac km on the odo can be had at that price with just the right bit of bargaining. The BS-4 have Sonalika ICML engines, while the older BS3 will probably have the Isuzu engines.
You can also look at Tata Sumo Gold, of 2017-18 at similar prices. The rear jump seats could be folded up for massive cargo space and you are good to go. Personally, I felt the Tavera to be more comfortable than the Sumo. Of course, the Sumo might be up for rougher roads than the Tavera
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BHPian Neil Roy recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Mahindra gave me a 4WD petrol automatic for two days so that I could make it to my estate for the pooja holidays with my family.
It all started when my 2019 model Thar went for a preventive checkup on 27th September prior to my trip to Nagercoil. With the pooja holidays approaching and the kids having compulsory holidays (Thank you Govt. of Tamil Nadu), We decided to go to our estate which is surrounded on all four sides by reserve forests. The closest that we have to other humans is a good two kilometres away and hence I wanted to have a thorough checkup as the last thing I wanted was to be stranded in the middle of nowhere with wild animals and no mobile signal. It was a good thing I did that because the radiator water level was low and Mr Harry, the service manager from Automotive Mahindra Pvt Ltd, Chennai insisted that I don't travel anywhere in that condition, leave alone a trip into the jungles and that he will definitely try to help me out. I honestly didn't expect much to come out of it. I was very frustrated as I didn't make any other travel and boarding arrangements.
What happened next was the stuff of dreams, for my kids and me at least.
One Mr Alex of Mahindra called me and informed me that He has spoken to Derik Mahindra, Nagercoil and that he has arranged for a 4WD petrol automatic demo car to be available at my disposal for two days. The only condition was that I have to fill my own fuel and that I have to make my travel arrangements from Chennai to Nagercoil. It was indeed a blessing as riding a Thar for 700 km is backbreaking, to say the least. The trip was definitely back on track and my wife, relatives, kids and I loaded up our trusty 2021 Safari ( Yup, you read that right too. I own a Tata and a Mahindra). Reached Nagercoil on the 2nd of October to find it waiting for us.
I am not much of a photo person and so I have put together some drone shots of the trip which I hope you might enjoy. If you see the video and the terrain, you'll understand how much this gesture of Mahindra means to me. And yes, Robert Frost seems appropriate given the location.
I think the Indian automotive manufacturers are upping the ante by providing customer-centric services which were unheard of before. Both Tata and Mahindra are vying with each other to provide safer, more reliable cars and be more customer friendly and that is very important, to me at least.
Here's what BHPian Heart_Revs had to say on the matter:
That was an awesome gesture from Mahindra. Mahindra seems resolved to address their weakest point - customer service.
Here's what BHPian swami69 had to say on the matter:
Wonderful gesture by Automotive Mahindra and your drone video and the music/commentary is awesome. Lovely location for a family holiday in a 4x4.
Here's what BHPian sachin_cs had to say on the matter:
Wow, this seems like a thing to me now. Because, I recently did a 1000 km trip in my Rapid and initially we were 7 people on the plan & as my dad was in touch with the Mahindra dealer, he offered us his demo Petrol Thar MT for the trip. However, 2 people could not make it so we were 4 adults and a kid, so taking two cars didn’t make sense and 4 adults plus a kid on the Thar with a lot of luggage was also a no-no. One day definitely I would love to take the Thar on a road trip to understand the vehicle better and if it suits me or not because I’m a sedan lover.
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BHPian vigneshkumar31 recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
It's difficult to find aftermarket options for the Gurkha, but luckily Prad4x4 has this custom kit for the BS6 which bolts on direct:
Full video review here.
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BHPian Manuuj recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
I am yet to make a detailed post on the sound damping work carried out on Asterix. I forgot to get the technical specifications of the damping used so haven't compiled my post yet.
In the meantime, I went and got custom noodle mats made up for Asterix today. The stock mats are held down with locking pins and are not easily removable. As a result its quite a chore to clean them. Being black, they show up dust and mud immediately after use.
I went in for beige black noodle mats and had them cut to fit Asterix. Also had the edges stitched with a black leatherette material to give it a clean look.
The steering and back logo also got completed today with the ring around it. Chose to go with the same silver color for the ring as the Khukri was in:
Lastly Asterix is now doubling up as a billboard for my fledgling YouTube channel.
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BHPian vigneshkumar31 recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
The bigger diameter MT tyres scrape the fender a tiny bit at full turn. The inside wheel fenders are flexible and I have pulled them a bit ahead and secured them with strong cable ties and secured them to a bracket within the wheel well. Scraping solved.
We went for a bit of trail driving up the hills at the outskirts of the town. The increased ground clearance is immediately felt and the under body doesn't scrape anymore even in really rocky patches. I'm able to glide over with a little more confidence over bad patches.
Few parting sunset shots, with my spotter:
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