[nainan]

Originally Posted by Su-47

Safari was better than Scorpio probably in one thing - ride quality

I am not sure which version of the Safari you had reclaim seems to be the 3.0L one. I owned the 2.2 L 140 bhp version while my close friend has a Scorpio both on the respective AVL tuned engine. From the cramped interior to the ride quality to the sheer power and torque and NVH I honestly did not find much going for the Scorpio. The service interval of 15000 km was best in class. In all the time I owned it I only had to replace the clutch cylinder and fix an A/C

My only grouse was with the service and If I were to nitpick the rubbery clunky gearbox and long throw clutch.

On the Hexa things only improved without compromising what worked.

Now most relevant to this thread while the JLR pedigree(platform and suspension) is one attraction I expect the Harrier and the H7X most importantly to retain the Tata pedigree of excellent ride, presence on the road and the solid build while addressing service, a smoother gearbox and a more practical clutch, a fresh look and sensible pricing.

From what I have seen and read so far of the Harrier I see all these things are coming together and this time there is a catchy ad campaign too.

[rovingeye]

Originally Posted by nainan

Now most relevant to this thread while the JLR pedigree(platform and suspension) is one attraction I expect the Harrier and the H7X most importantly to retain the Tata pedigree of excellent ride, presence on the road and the solid build while addressing service, a smoother gearbox and a more practical clutch, a fresh look and sensible pricing.

Don't forget the steering. That one needs to be improved as well (in comparison to Hexa), if they want Harrier to appeal to city folks.

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by rovingeye

Don't forget the steering. That one needs to be improved as well (in comparison to Hexa), if they want Harrier to appeal to city folks.

I hope they don’t. The steering in hexa was better than crysta. Yes it was heavy but that’s what you want. Most Tata cars have a heavier steering than competitors which is what people like.

The Land Rover discovery sport we drove last week which the harrier is based on also had a much heavier steering than other cars. All of us (5 moderators) loved that about the car.

[uday.ere]

Teaser No. 4

https://youtu.be/yVvDmhlvETQ

[headbanger]

Slightly OT, I really liked the background music in the harrier teasers. It has got the oomph which matches the excitement around the car. Tata advertisements have always been top notch and these teasers take this legacy forward.

[urajkumar]

Keeping aside the premature comments, I find it odd that TATA has not released any stats 10k bookings for Harrier etc so far and it appears to indicate some reluctance on customers part. I for one find it overstyled and too garish from my first impression. If there is no Automatic at the start, thats another nail in the coffin. Still early dates and fingers crossed for the sake of TATA who has to succeed and lift Indian brands to new heights.

[bageherath]

I am sure they will announce the numbers for pre-booking during the official launch.

[volkman10]

Seven-seat Tata 'Harrier' likely to debut at Auto Expo 2020. Will get a New name.

The seven-seat version of the Harrier will be known by a different name and will also use a more powerful 2.0-litre diesel engine.

five-seat Harrier will come with a BS-IV-complaint

The 7 seat SUV with 170hp motor will also be BS-VI-compliant and will make its way to the five-seater model as well, around the same

Transmission options for the seven-seat Harrier include a 6-speed manual and a Hyundai-sourced 6-speed torque convertor automatic

Link

[amrutmhatre90]

7 seater Tata Harrier will be debuting in Auto Expo 2020

The seven-seat version of the Harrier will be known by a different name and will also use a more powerful 2.0-litre diesel engine.

Whether the seven-seat model will be longer than the standard Harrier to accommodate the seven-seat layout is still unknown, however, both models are expected to carry the same design.

As we had revealed earlier, the seven-seat SUV will carry a different name in order to differentiate it from the five-seater. The former is also likely to be powered by a more powerful version of the Fiat-sourced 2.0-litre motor.

When the seven-seat variant makes its debut, it will have a more powerful engine, which will churn out around 170hp. The 170hp motor will also be BS-VI-compliant and will make its way to the five-seater model as well, around the same time. Sources suggest that the BS-VI engine could even be capable of making more than 170hp when it is introduced. Transmission options for the seven-seat Harrier include a 6-speed manual and a Hyundai-sourced 6-speed torque convertor automatic.
As the five-seat Harrier is estimated to carry an on-road price tag between Rs 16-21 lakh, expect the seven-seat SUV to come at a slight premium over its five-seat counterpart.

Source

[Guna]

Interestingly they mention that whether the 7 seater will have the additional length or not is still unknown. I feel that close to 4.6 meters length of the Harrier is good enough to accommodate 2 small seats (just like any other 5+2 seaters). Anything more than this will make the car cumbersome to handle in the city and will prompt many potential owners to skip the car. Anyone who prefers a full fledged 7 seater is likely fo for a people mover like Innova.

[nikipedia87]

Originally Posted by Guna

Interestingly they mention that whether the 7 seater will have the additional length or not is still unknown. I feel that close to 4.6 meters length of the Harrier is good enough to accommodate 2 small seats (just like any other 5+2 seaters).

True that. The new Ertiga does this with a length of 4.3 metres. Heck, the older one also was a 5+2 seater with a 4.2 metre length . So, the Harrier itself might be capable of accommodating an additional row. But why would Tata want to have so many 7 seaters with likely price overlaps? The article is also quite ambiguous in its mention of the 7-seater, so in all probability, it could be the H7X itself - which means additional length.

[vipul_singh]

Originally Posted by Guna

Anyone who prefers a full fledged 7 seater is likely fo for a people mover like Innova.

I feel that our car market lacks actual 7 / 8 seaters entirely. The Innova you cited as an example (and the Fortuner, the Endeavour, the Alturas..) forces adults to sit in a cramped / knees-up position in the last row.

On the Innova, again, the '7-seater' version is like a 4+2 seater in reality (I am not calling it a 6 seater, because as per me, a 6 seater should not require adults to compromise on legroom and under-thigh support). The only area it does better than, say, an XUV is that it has some usable luggage space if the 4+2 seats are utilized.

So it is 4+2 (with luggage), or 4+2 (without luggage). No 7 seaters to be found anywhere in the mass market.

Maybe vehicles in the Pacifica segment can address this market gap.

[rovingeye]

Originally Posted by amrutmhatre90

7 seater Tata Harrier will be debuting in Auto Expo 2020

Thanks! If that piece of news is true, I think the Hexa will receive some bids now from fence sitters waiting eagerly for the 7 seater.

[LeoMachine]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Seven-seat Tata 'Harrier' likely to debut at Auto Expo 2020. Will get a New name.


Link

So what's the significance of this news/leak/rumour/speculation? Does it mean we're being told that H7X will not launch anytime before 2021 and that prospective buyers should either firm up on Harrier (5 seater) or Hexa (7 seater), if going with TATA? If it's true, it's too long a wait for H7X assuming it sibling would be in market for good 2 years. I'm not sure how it's going to help TML assuming MG, KIA are lining up their launches around same time or sooner.

[nainan]

The 7 seater has to be longer and differently styled as:-
- The Omega Arc platform is good for 4800 mm so there is scope for a bigger 7 seater

- The Omega Arc video shows 3 cars out of which the H7X has the longest overhang suggesting it is the longest of the 3

- The H7X is taller with a hump on the roof like a Safari at first glance but much more likely to be like the LR Discovery which too has a hump in the video

- The H7X has roof rails like the Safari which in the Safaris case was used to hide the hump

Moreover if the intent was to add 2 seats to the Harrier there is nothing to showcase or use a new name. This has to be a Safari replacement as the Storme is quite long in the tooth. If the Santro success is anything to go by Tata should name it the Safari and build up on the brand value the name brings.

Originally Posted by LeoMachine

Does it mean we're being told that H7X will not launch anytime before 2021 and that prospective buyers should either firm up on Harrier (5 seater) or Hexa (7 seater), if going with TATA? If it's true, it's too long a wait for H7X assuming it sibling would be in market for good 2 years. I'm not sure how it's going to help TML assuming MG, KIA are lining up their launches around same time or sooner.

Given it will debut in the Auto expo and Tata's expo to production cycle seems to be 1-2 years seems this will launch only in 2020 at the earliest and I agree that its too late.

This will also hurt Harrier prospects as the lack of the BS 6 engine, 4 wheel drive and most importantly the automatic which are rumored to be launched only when the 7 seater debuts the Harrier will surely be hit badly considering the competition has all these advantages.

My ardent hope is that TML knows this and has been testing the 7 seater sided by side with the Harrier and will launch it in the 2nd half of 2019 as rumoured